Im so sick and tired of greedy artists trying to halt AI Art

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

AI Art is the ultimate equalizer in the sense that it allows anyone to put in a description of what they want and then they get that, or something near enough.

It's fantastic for users. It gets rid of needing to commission every little thing saving $$ for the average bob. Not everyone is made of money to be paying artists tons of money for a picture that might take days to make when you can just roll the generator a few times and get something of equal if not better quality than the artist themselves.

The "compromise" argument is also hilarious. Anyone who pays an artist OR uses a generator is compromising because they're relying on a third party to make their vision.

AI Art Good. Greedy Artist bad. :)

[Mr. Smiles]

Imagine being good at something, and making next to no money off of that skill, then a computer comes and does it better and faster than you, and you are too poor to do anything but complain, and then you get called greedy for not wanting the computer to do the thing you are good at.

Then you have to wake up and go to that shift at the retail joint, knowing the computer is still doing that thing you thought you were good at.

Poor greedy starving artists...

[GloriousZote]

Yeah, how dare artists try to stop AI that steals and modifies their art!

[Q-T_3.14.exe]

Originally posted by GloriousZote:

Yeah, how dare artists try to stop AI that steals and modifies their art!

They feel insulted when AI fixes their hands

[Γαῖα]

Originally posted by tmwfte:

Originally posted by Γαῖα:

OP is only saying this as AI does not threaten their living.

On a tangent, it is kind of funny that the idea of automation, and often of robot workers, in sci-fi and utopian sociopolitical dreams, were meant to free up our time to make more art, literature, music, etc.

Yeah i remember that tech speech at a convention. These creators will tell us and promise us all sorts of things just so we take our eyes and minds off them.
Thing is if AI can do art,understand math and science then it can also design buildings, the next microchip and even itself which invariably some tech idiot and greedy business will allow probably with the excuse we cant have people sabotaging the future.

[Phirestar]

Originally posted by Q-T_3.14.exe:

Originally posted by GloriousZote:

Yeah, how dare artists try to stop AI that steals and modifies their art!

They feel insulted when AI fixes their hands

You say that, but as mentioned previously, even the AI can’t seem to figure that one out.

Originally posted by Phirestar:

If you guys want a great example of fake art:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2950283494

[Q-T_3.14.exe]

Originally posted by Phirestar:

Originally posted by Q-T_3.14.exe:

They feel insulted when AI fixes their hands

You say that, but as mentioned previously, even the AI can’t seem to figure that one out.

Originally posted by Phirestar:

If you guys want a great example of fake art:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2950283494

Am only joking with that. I can't draw hands either and I have looked at my own hands to get it right. 😐

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by Michanicks:

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Your definition of art is far too narrow.

I talk about commissioned art that people pay for.
I didn't mean that art only exist to be a luxury.

And AI reaches farther than that. One has to be careful not to throw the baby with the bathwater.

[Phirestar]

I also didn’t even realize until now, but on top of the other issues I listed regarding that image, the hand on the top also only has 3 fingers and a thumb.

Whatever AI that guy used for that picture screwed up every step of the way there.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

Unfortunately, people can whine, complain, ban, censor, witch hunt, and try to sue all they want, but the genie is out of the bottle, so to speak, machine learning is open source and FREE, and will only get exponentially better as time goes on.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the machine-learning-generated art I see right now when it comes to doing something like a Western-style cartoon character. But I can see the writing on the wall for the future, especially with more generic or "samey" art styles like anime stuff.

Right now the bans and censorship on art sites are causing more harm to the "artistic community" than the actual "A.i." art is in the form of "witch hunts" and "cancel culture" just like the advent of popular "digital art" tools/programs, where someone screams "THIS LOOKS LIKE AI ART!!! BAN IIIIIIIIIT!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!" and they then ban and censor an artist because something "looked like" it "could be" machine learning made art even when it is NOT.

Sites are losing real artists because people "think" their art "might be" done by machine learning programs.

Machine learning art programs will not break into a traditional artist's house and threaten to kick their teeth in if they don't go AI. They can still be traditional artists and do traditional art and get people commissioning them for said traditional art.

If you make your money off commissions for generic "furry pron husbandos" or generic "big boobie anime waifus" then you better have a good and professional relationship with your current "regular" commissioners, and treat them well, because competition will be heating up in the near future. Say goodbye to your $200+ YCH commissions.

Really, from what I can see, the only "Artists" that need to worry are generic and mediocre artists that need to make money from that type of art. Basically "Cal Arts" style CORPO artists/graphic designers... And Anime artists that all have similar styles because they learned how to art from the same "how to draw anime" books.

Maybe start looking for a day job, or get into a trade like an electrician, plumber, HVAC technician, Auto mechanic, Robotics Repair, computer hardware and network installation and management, or something else that will not be easily replaceable by machine learning.

Honestly, I never pegged the artistic "community" as being so "conservative". Screaming about "Dey took R jobs!"

Usually, artists jump at the chance for "progressive" new mediums, new forms of expression, and new tools for art.

They can talk about "soul" and "heart" all they want, nothing is stopping them from making their art with "soul" and "heart".

What they should be saying is that A.I. art will possibly hurt their "wallet". And while that sucks, it is gonna be what it is gonna be.

When it comes down to it, adapt and deal with it, because it isn't going away. History shows that the "Luddites" never win, no matter how much they complain or try to break/ban things.

[Michanicks]

Originally posted by Mr. Smiles:

Imagine being good at something, and making next to no money off of that skill, then a computer comes and does it better and faster than you, and you are too poor to do anything but complain, and then you get called greedy for not wanting the computer to do the thing you are good at.

Then you have to wake up and go to that shift at the retail joint, knowing the computer is still doing that thing you thought you were good at.

Poor greedy starving artists...

Artists should not worry about AI.
People were commissioning them not because they need pretty set of pixels. They want something that would worth it - and if that thing is takes a lot of time, a lot of skill and popular creator, then that thing would worth even more.

[GloriousZote]

Originally posted by Michanicks:

Originally posted by Mr. Smiles:

Imagine being good at something, and making next to no money off of that skill, then a computer comes and does it better and faster than you, and you are too poor to do anything but complain, and then you get called greedy for not wanting the computer to do the thing you are good at.

Then you have to wake up and go to that shift at the retail joint, knowing the computer is still doing that thing you thought you were good at.

Poor greedy starving artists...

Artists should not worry about AI.
People were commissioning them not because they need pretty set of pixels. They want something that would worth it - and if that thing is takes a lot of time, a lot of skill and popular creator, then that thing would worth even more.

And yet some people I've seen will switch from wanting to commission something to just using ♥♥♥♥♥♥ AI art.

[Michanicks]

Originally posted by Sir Dookface McFerretballs:

Unfortunately, people can whine, complain, ban, censor, witch hunt, and try to sue all they want, but the genie is out of the bottle, so to speak, machine learning is open source and FREE, and will only get exponentially better as time goes on.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the machine-learning-generated art I see right now when it comes to doing something like a Western-style cartoon character. But I can see the writing on the wall for the future, especially with more generic or "samey" art styles like anime stuff.

Right now the bans and censorship on art sites are causing more harm to the "artistic community" than the actual "A.i." art is in the form of "witch hunts" and "cancel culture" just like the advent of popular "digital art" tools/programs, where someone screams "THIS LOOKS LIKE AI ART!!! BAN IIIIIIIIIT!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!" and they then ban and censor an artist because something "looked like" it "could be" machine learning made art even when it is NOT.

Sites are losing real artists because people "think" their art "might be" done by machine learning programs.

Machine learning art programs will not break into a traditional artist's house and threaten to kick their teeth in if they don't go AI. They can still be traditional artists and do traditional art and get people commissioning them for said traditional art.

If you make your money off commissions for generic "furry pron husbandos" or generic "big boobie anime waifus" then you better have a good and professional relationship with your current "regular" commissioners, and treat them well, because competition will be heating up in the near future. Say goodbye to your $200+ YCH commissions.

Really, from what I can see, the only "Artists" that need to worry are generic and mediocre artists that need to make money from that type of art. Basically "Cal Arts" style CORPO artists/graphic designers... And Anime artists that all have similar styles because they learned how to art from the same "how to draw anime" books.

Maybe start looking for a day job, or get into a trade like an electrician, plumber, HVAC technician, Auto mechanic, Robotics Repair, computer hardware and network installation and management, or something else that will not be easily replaceable by machine learning.

Honestly, I never pegged the artistic "community" as being so "conservative". Screaming about "Dey took R jobs!"

Usually, artists jump at the chance for "progressive" new mediums, new forms of expression, and new tools for art.

They can talk about "soul" and "heart" all they want, nothing is stopping them from making their art with "soul" and "heart".

What they should be saying is that A.I. art will possibly hurt their "wallet". And while that sucks, it is gonna be what it is gonna be.

When it comes down to it, adapt and deal with it, because it isn't going away. History shows that the "Luddites" never win, no matter how much they complain or try to break/ban things. :marten_sip:

So many words and you didn't even mention that AI proompters were harassing artists and threaten them that they are done. I was ignoring AI because i wasn't interested, but aibros were so hostile and annoying that i can't consider them anything other than petty losers. If they wouldn't be petty losers, they would not harrass artists, they would simply play with their AI.

"Work as plumber" - would you drop a job that you really love... just to go work that nobody proud of, get less money than you used to and have less time to spare on your favorite dream job? You are either insane or you work as plumber yourself and you want to drag more succesful people to your level. And call people who don't want to switch their loved job to something they dislike luddites.

[Michanicks]

Originally posted by GloriousZote:

Originally posted by Michanicks:

Artists should not worry about AI.
People were commissioning them not because they need pretty set of pixels. They want something that would worth it - and if that thing is takes a lot of time, a lot of skill and popular creator, then that thing would worth even more.

And yet some people I've seen will switch from wanting to commission something to just using ♥♥♥♥♥♥ AI art.

Who cares about them? If they wanna go - let them go, other people will always value manual work over something automatic.

Such people are so rare i only heard of them because of your post. Such anomalies will always happen, you should judge anything because of them.

[Phirestar]

Originally posted by Sir Dookface McFerretballs:

Unfortunately, people can whine, complain, ban, censor, witch hunt, and try to sue all they want, but the genie is out of the bottle, so to speak, machine learning is open source and FREE, and will only get exponentially better as time goes on.

Free for now*

In the future, corporations will absolutely capitalize on the trend of AI art generators as a new business prospect. They will absolutely be buying up rights to the most popular ones and hiring dedicated development teams to innovate and advance the technology forward, and before you know it, all of the “best choices” for AI art generators will be subscription-based services provided to you by companies such as… I dunno. Adobe would likely be one, I’d bet.

And that’s how we’ll return back to form. Artists will begin paying for these premium generators and looking to offset the expense on the customer’s end, which will lead to AI art becoming exactly the same as how non-AI art functions now.

“There’s no such thing as a free lunch,” as they say.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

Originally posted by Phirestar:

Originally posted by Sir Dookface McFerretballs:

Unfortunately, people can whine, complain, ban, censor, witch hunt, and try to sue all they want, but the genie is out of the bottle, so to speak, machine learning is open source and FREE, and will only get exponentially better as time goes on.

Free for now*

In the future, corporations will absolutely capitalize on the trend of AI art generators as a new business prospect. They will absolutely be buying up rights to the most popular ones and hiring dedicated development teams to innovate and advance the technology forward, and before you know it, all of the “best choices” for AI art generators will be subscription-based services provided to you by companies such as… I dunno. Adobe would likely be one, I’d bet.

And that’s how we’ll return back to form. Artists will begin paying for these premium generators and looking to offset the expense on the customer’s end, which will lead to AI art becoming exactly the same as how non-AI art functions now.

“There’s no such thing as a free lunch,” as they say.

Yup.

Though maybe by then people will be so tired of "Own nothing and be unhappy" that they will want a return to ownership, in which case non-ai assisted artists will suddenly start making some money again.

Maybe even enough for the hyper-inflated price of a single french fry as they struggle to survive in the dystopian corpo hellscape.