Opinions about ANTIFA

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No. You cited a Wikipedia article.

That isn't even admissable in highschool let alone reality.

The real Nazi party existed in another century in a different country that spoke a different language and was embroiled in different cultural stresses.

It's a context we can't even comprehend.

If fascism , as a government type, made another appearance in America

It wouldnt be a tiny group or a Wikipedia article.

People would be on trains before they were able to assemble.

That's what's so scary about fascism.

For years, tons of lowIQ Americans have called themselves Nazis. This is thinly veiled thuggery

Thuggery is inconsequential because it doesn't affect policy.

That's why antifa is a joke. They also represent thuggery, and do no affect policy

If you REALLY want to 'follow the money'

You'll find china at the end. Which is an entirely different conversation

By that logic "Real Christians" don't exist outside of Israel.

Interesting how religions and government types are completely different things

I'd say the same thing if you posted a wiki article of a group of Americans who claim to be roman aristocrat

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By that logic "Real Christians" don't exist outside of Israel.

Interesting how religions and government types are completely different things

I'd say the same thing if you posted a wiki article of a group of Americans who claim to be roman aristocrat

Tell that to the MAGATS.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

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There aren't millions. It's a fringe group of extremists.

Factually incorrect. There are millions of anti-fascist protesters across the world and millions of BLM protesters as well.

As well as participants.

Do you use social media, at all? If you do, you'd understand how popular those movements are.

Come on Dom, I know you are smarter than this.

There is a BIG difference between being anti-fascist as an ideal and being part of the group calling themselves "Antifa".

I am anti-fascist, I am also anti-Marxist, and not a fan of either side's authoritarian/totalitarian extremes, so I would not ever be part of the group calling themselves "Antifa".

It is the same with things like BLM. Many people will agree that "Black Lives Matter" but might NOT agree with the pseudo-Marxist GROUP calling themselves "BLM" that has been laundering money, buying mansions with that donated money, and otherwise not actually doing anything to help black people.

[Dom]

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Dom a écrit :

Factually incorrect. There are millions of anti-fascist protesters across the world and millions of BLM protesters as well.

As well as participants.

Do you use social media, at all? If you do, you'd understand how popular those movements are.

Come on Dom, I know you are smarter than this.

There is a BIG difference between being anti-fascist as an ideal and being part of the group calling themselves "Antifa".

I am anti-fascist, I am also anti-Marxist, and not a fan of either side's authoritarian/totalitarian extremes, so I would not ever be part of the group calling themselves "Antifa".

It is the same with things like BLM. Many people will agree that "Black Lives Matter" but might NOT agree with the pseudo-Marxist GROUP calling themselves "BLM" that has been laundering money, buying mansions with that donated money, and otherwise not actually doing anything to help black people.

When it comes to movements, name is essentially just a way to call groups of individuals something. But those groups are very diverse and have a lot of different people in them. And when it comes to unorganized movements (not some organizations with leaders), a name alone doesn't say much about them or what kind of people are involved in different circumstances.

I understand if people do not want to associate themselves with something that they do not feel comfortable with, and that's fine. But I'm also not a fan of demonizing entire groups of people when we're talking about movements that have no leaders, or any specific program that asks people to be violent or cause harm.

While I condemn all cases of violence, my point was that millions of people who are not violent or would never cause harm associate themselves with movements or causes like BLM or Antifa. Whether that's the right choice or not for them, is another question. However, they are being accused of what other people inside those same movement(s) do, and I don't really think that's a good thing. We should view people as individuals.

[WhiteKnight77]

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Follow the money.

No. You cited a Wikipedia article.

That isn't even admissable in highschool let alone reality.

The real Nazi party existed in another century in a different country that spoke a different language and was embroiled in different cultural stresses.

It's a context we can't even comprehend.

If fascism , as a government type, made another appearance in America

It wouldnt be a tiny group or a Wikipedia article.

People would be on trains before they were able to assemble.

That's what's so scary about fascism.

For years, tons of lowIQ Americans have called themselves Nazis. This is thinly veiled thuggery

Thuggery is inconsequential because it doesn't affect policy.

That's why antifa is a joke. They also represent thuggery, and do no affect policy

If you REALLY want to 'follow the money'

You'll find china at the end. Which is an entirely different conversation

There had been supporters of the Nazi party here in the US prior to WWII, but was never a formal entity until the 50's.

There have been court cases that went to the Supreme Court that state that groups have a right to protest and give out information that might racial or religious violence or hatred or allow the KKK to burn crosses as long it wasn't meant to intimidate. American Nazi Party and Related Groups[www.mtsu.edu] has more. Those cases apply any group that wants to gather, but once one starts to attack another, they lose any legal protections that they might have had, permit or not and Antifa does not get permits unlike the so called Nazis.

[GoreTiger]

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Roflmao, straight to the strawmen. Billions of dollars in damages from BLM/Antifa riots, and over 40 recorded deaths. Don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ me with this "mostly peaceful" nonsense.

Yet millions of anti-fascist protesters across the world. They are mostly peaceful.

Wanting to label all of them as terrorists (whether or not they have done anything) is direct suppression of free speech, which, seemingly many on the right wing side support.

"Free speech for me but not for you!"

You cannot use free speech as an excuse to harass, assault, and actively silence your political opponents which is exactly what Antifa did in portland and seattle during the Protests. This is exactly why these extremists hide behind the label "Antifa", They know people will only listen to that name and accept whatever the group does, Nomatter how facist these antifa thugs actually act.

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Dom a écrit :

Yet millions of anti-fascist protesters across the world. They are mostly peaceful.

Wanting to label all of them as terrorists (whether or not they have done anything) is direct suppression of free speech, which, seemingly many on the right wing side support.

"Free speech for me but not for you!"

You cannot use free speech as an excuse to harass, assault, and actively silence your political opponents which is exactly what Antifa did in portland and seattle during the Protests. This is exactly why these extremists hide behind the label "Antifa", They know people will only listen to that name and accept whatever the group does, Nomatter how facist these antifa thugs actually act.

This country's politics are so far removed from anything rational, I'm not sure they even see the difference any more.

Mobs fashion themselves to actually be political institutes with sway, influence, resources and power.

The real power is held by our government and corporations.

Social groups wish.

[ZZZZZ]

GoreTiger a écrit :

Dom a écrit :

Yet millions of anti-fascist protesters across the world. They are mostly peaceful.

Wanting to label all of them as terrorists (whether or not they have done anything) is direct suppression of free speech, which, seemingly many on the right wing side support.

"Free speech for me but not for you!"

You cannot use free speech as an excuse to harass, assault, and actively silence your political opponents which is exactly what Antifa did in portland and seattle during the Protests. This is exactly why these extremists hide behind the label "Antifa", They know people will only listen to that name and accept whatever the group does, Nomatter how facist these antifa thugs actually act.

antifa is mainly made of local groups that arent connected so even if they would have burned down the entire town it wouldnt make any difference.. its like saying a christian family in australia committed murder so we have to outlaw christians in the entire world

[WhiteKnight77]

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Sir Dookface McFerretballs a écrit :

Come on Dom, I know you are smarter than this.

There is a BIG difference between being anti-fascist as an ideal and being part of the group calling themselves "Antifa".

I am anti-fascist, I am also anti-Marxist, and not a fan of either side's authoritarian/totalitarian extremes, so I would not ever be part of the group calling themselves "Antifa".

It is the same with things like BLM. Many people will agree that "Black Lives Matter" but might NOT agree with the pseudo-Marxist GROUP calling themselves "BLM" that has been laundering money, buying mansions with that donated money, and otherwise not actually doing anything to help black people.

When it comes to movements, name is essentially just a way to call groups of individuals something. But those groups are very diverse and have a lot of different people in them. And when it comes to unorganized movements (not some organizations with leaders), a name alone doesn't say much about them or what kind of people are involved in different circumstances.

I understand if people do not want to associate themselves with something that they do not feel comfortable with, and that's fine. But I'm also not a fan of demonizing entire groups of people when we're talking about movements that have no leaders, or any specific program that asks people to be violent or cause harm.

While I condemn all cases of violence, my point was that millions of people who are not violent or would never cause harm associate themselves with movements or causes like BLM or Antifa. Whether that's the right choice or not for them, is another question. However, they are being accused of what other people inside those same movement(s) do, and I don't really think that's a good thing. We should view people as individuals.

Antifa may not be a solid organization, but there are individuals who do organize their activities, otherwise they would not be in the streets to protest against other groups. When Antifa travels from California to Atlanta to protest against the building of a training facility for both police and fire, then one could consider Antifa an organization. Do you think all those people in Portland were just from Portland? No, they were from outside of Oregon.

[Dom]

GoreTiger a écrit :

Dom a écrit :

Yet millions of anti-fascist protesters across the world. They are mostly peaceful.

Wanting to label all of them as terrorists (whether or not they have done anything) is direct suppression of free speech, which, seemingly many on the right wing side support.

"Free speech for me but not for you!"

You cannot use free speech as an excuse to harass, assault, and actively silence your political opponents which is exactly what Antifa did in portland and seattle during the Protests. This is exactly why these extremists hide behind the label "Antifa", They know people will only listen to that name and accept whatever the group does, Nomatter how facist these antifa thugs actually act.

While there are some Antifa protesters that do cause serious harm or damage, that doesn't change the fact that Antifa and Antifa protests have a right to exist under freedom of speech. Period. Just like all political movements do, regardless of the bad apples inside those movements.

MAGA, communists, Antifa, BLM, GOP, dems... they all have a right to exist.

There are some right-wingers who would like Antifa to be added on a terrorist list which basically means that any protester would be arrested for "associating with terrorism" even if they are peaceful. That would be exactly the kind of speech suppression right accuses left of doing (especially on social media). Even worse however because street protests are at the core of any democracy.

[GoreTiger]

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GoreTiger a écrit :

You cannot use free speech as an excuse to harass, assault, and actively silence your political opponents which is exactly what Antifa did in portland and seattle during the Protests. This is exactly why these extremists hide behind the label "Antifa", They know people will only listen to that name and accept whatever the group does, Nomatter how facist these antifa thugs actually act.

antifa is mainly made of local groups that arent connected so even if they would have burned down the entire town it wouldnt make any difference.. its like saying a christian family in australia committed murder so we have to outlaw christians in the entire world

While I agree that not ALL of antifa is connected, the true antifa people need to start denouncing these violent posers more openly. Liberals and the Left love comparing every extremist to the "far right" and "maga" but they never apply that logic to their side as well.

My most vivid memory of the antifa savages rioting was some antifa punk ripping open a bus full of elderly people and pepper spraying the inside, all because the bus was simply trying to drive.

[ZZZZZ]

WhiteKnight77 a écrit :

Dom a écrit :

When it comes to movements, name is essentially just a way to call groups of individuals something. But those groups are very diverse and have a lot of different people in them. And when it comes to unorganized movements (not some organizations with leaders), a name alone doesn't say much about them or what kind of people are involved in different circumstances.

I understand if people do not want to associate themselves with something that they do not feel comfortable with, and that's fine. But I'm also not a fan of demonizing entire groups of people when we're talking about movements that have no leaders, or any specific program that asks people to be violent or cause harm.

While I condemn all cases of violence, my point was that millions of people who are not violent or would never cause harm associate themselves with movements or causes like BLM or Antifa. Whether that's the right choice or not for them, is another question. However, they are being accused of what other people inside those same movement(s) do, and I don't really think that's a good thing. We should view people as individuals.

Antifa may not be a solid organization, but there are individuals who do organize their activities, otherwise they would not be in the streets to protest against other groups. When Antifa travels from California to Atlanta to protest against the building of a training facility for both police and fire, then one could consider Antifa an organization. Do you think all those people in Portland were just from Portland? No, they were from outside of Oregon.

that doesnt make them any bigger tho.. its like tourists, they go to sunny places and come from different areas.. the only thing that unites them is their common goal which usually is vacation, same for protestors, they dont get invited or paid or anything but they just see protest and say "hey lets join"
if u mix all protesters up to 1 organization then u also have to mix all tourists up and make them 1 organization

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CaptainG a écrit :

antifa is mainly made of local groups that arent connected so even if they would have burned down the entire town it wouldnt make any difference.. its like saying a christian family in australia committed murder so we have to outlaw christians in the entire world

While I agree that not ALL of antifa is connected, the true antifa people need to start denouncing these violent posers more openly. Liberals and the Left love comparing every extremist to the "far right" and "maga" but they never apply that logic to their side as well.

My most vivid memory of the antifa savages rioting was some antifa punk ripping open a bus full of elderly people and pepper spraying the inside, all because the bus was simply trying to drive.

but u heard of them? that means some media must have reported on them which means it didnt get ignored and to the other part I rly doubt anyone would rly care if some local antifa group of a village on the end of the world would say "we werent part of it"

[GoreTiger]

Dom a écrit :

GoreTiger a écrit :

You cannot use free speech as an excuse to harass, assault, and actively silence your political opponents which is exactly what Antifa did in portland and seattle during the Protests. This is exactly why these extremists hide behind the label "Antifa", They know people will only listen to that name and accept whatever the group does, Nomatter how facist these antifa thugs actually act.

While there are some Antifa protesters that do cause serious harm or damage, that doesn't change the fact that Antifa and Antifa protests have a right to exist under freedom of speech. Period. Just like all political movements do, regardless of the bad apples inside those movements.

MAGA, communists, Antifa, BLM, GOP, dems... they all have a right to exist.

There are some right-wingers who would like Antifa to be added on a terrorist list which basically means that any protester would be arrested for "associating with terrorism" even if they are peaceful. That would be exactly the kind of speech suppression right accuses left of doing (especially on social media). Even worse however because street protests are at the core of any democracy.

You can protest fascism without being part of a known terrorist group, it doesn't stop you at all. Antifa are terrorists and they've proven that, it's caught on many videos lol.
I get what you're saying, But there are other ways to go about things other then the situation you've provided.

[Dom]

WhiteKnight77 a écrit :

Dom a écrit :

When it comes to movements, name is essentially just a way to call groups of individuals something. But those groups are very diverse and have a lot of different people in them. And when it comes to unorganized movements (not some organizations with leaders), a name alone doesn't say much about them or what kind of people are involved in different circumstances.

I understand if people do not want to associate themselves with something that they do not feel comfortable with, and that's fine. But I'm also not a fan of demonizing entire groups of people when we're talking about movements that have no leaders, or any specific program that asks people to be violent or cause harm.

While I condemn all cases of violence, my point was that millions of people who are not violent or would never cause harm associate themselves with movements or causes like BLM or Antifa. Whether that's the right choice or not for them, is another question. However, they are being accused of what other people inside those same movement(s) do, and I don't really think that's a good thing. We should view people as individuals.

Antifa may not be a solid organization, but there are individuals who do organize their activities, otherwise they would not be in the streets to protest against other groups. When Antifa travels from California to Atlanta to protest against the building of a training facility for both police and fire, then one could consider Antifa an organization. Do you think all those people in Portland were just from Portland? No, they were from outside of Oregon.

Yes, it's still a movement. There may be organizations or companies that embrace and support the movement but it's still a movement without any leader.

Just like there isn't leader for BLM or Pride for example, there isn't any leader for Antifa either.

What you are describing is people inside the movement being active and actually doing something. They organize. But it's still not an organization, and doing something or being active is not enough to be considered one. Organizations have actual administrative branches and official programs.

[Dom]

GoreTiger a écrit :

Dom a écrit :

While there are some Antifa protesters that do cause serious harm or damage, that doesn't change the fact that Antifa and Antifa protests have a right to exist under freedom of speech. Period. Just like all political movements do, regardless of the bad apples inside those movements.

MAGA, communists, Antifa, BLM, GOP, dems... they all have a right to exist.

There are some right-wingers who would like Antifa to be added on a terrorist list which basically means that any protester would be arrested for "associating with terrorism" even if they are peaceful. That would be exactly the kind of speech suppression right accuses left of doing (especially on social media). Even worse however because street protests are at the core of any democracy.

You can protest fascism without being part of a known terrorist group, it doesn't stop you at all. Antifa are terrorists and they've proven that, it's caught on many videos lol.
I get what you're saying, But there are other ways to go about things other then the situation you've provided.

Videos don't prove anything when we are talking about huge movements that have worldwide participation. You can find violent democrats or republicans on YouTube but you cannot say that democratic movement or republican movement as a whole is violent.

You'll find violent Antifa protesters but you'll also find lots of protesters that would never cause violence, being part of the same movement.