Who is the most evil historical figure?

[Starfarer]

Personally, I think it was Pol Pot, a Cambodian dictator that was responsible for the Khmer Rouge.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Ursprungligen skrivet av RSebire:

Obama killed more people than all the other president's of America put together.

Obama is the devil incarnate.
And America is the great ♥♥♥♥♥.

Best joke I've heard so far! Thanks mate, I needed a good laugh today

[sfnhltb]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Othobrithol:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Scurrybt:

Stalin had a high body count to say the least.

Yeah, but you can push a LOT of the war dead onto Hitler's Tab. Stalin was a rat and deserves any afterlife punishment if there is any, but Hitler knowingly and willingly initiated the largest, most disastrous chain of events.

But if you take that path surely the architects of the Treaty of Versailles should then be mostly blamed for Hitler's actions - it was pretty widely accepted that the harsh terms placed on Germany were going to lead to WWII (French General Foch said something like "This isn't a peace treaty, this is an armistice for 20 years), so even if Hitler hadn't come along it seems certain someone else would have (and maybe that person wouldn't have meddled in military affairs so much and Germany might have been more successful in WWII).

And of course you can keep taking steps backwards if you look hard enough, seeing as something like the Treaty of Versailles was all too likely "required" by whoever eventually "won" WWI once it was dragged out so long, given the massive costs to either side compared to what anyone got out of it, and WWI being so expensive was more or less guaranteed because of the technological innovations leading up to it being so beneficial to the defensive aspects of warfare, so they maybe we could blame the people that invented things like industrialisation, heavy machine guns, artillery, trains and canned food that made it so easy to field large defensive land armies for years at a time.

So then it goes back to the people that started WWI, which can probably be largely attributed to lots of nationalists having too much sway in politics - of the "our soldiers are braver, our boffins are smarter, and our population will be much more resilient compared to the lily livered cowards that are our potential enemies, so even if there is a war we will win it very quickly" type, and of course there are always plenty of those people around from the beginning of history to now, it is just they normally shouldn't be put in charge of anything (even if sometimes leaders say similar things to "keep up morale" by lying to their soldiers/citizens, their private journals where those later come to light usually show they know better than to believe what they say).

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

The most evil person in history simply does not exist, to define evil, one must first have something is evil, to someone, a person is not evil, to another they are evil, there's no true 'most evil in history' because whether we like it or not, no human will ever be 100% hated, no human will ever be 100% liked.

In the situation here, we could list off prior names as being evil, to others however those people are not evil, to some their the bane of evil and yet to others their the mantle of hope, the worst person to one, is the best to another.

[WhiteKnight77]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Scurrybt:

Ursprungligen skrivet av craigsters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union wiki says a lot died in the double digit millions in the soviet union, all numbers and states at wiki link

Stalin had a high body count to say the least.

Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin[www.amazon.com] is a good book detailing all the deaths prior to, during and after World War 2.

[sfnhltb]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Q-T_3.14.exe:

Ursprungligen skrivet av bingo:

either way i would say stalin. or pol pot. because both would just murder literally everyone

He killed a lot of Finns. Only way for a Finn to survive was to claim to be Estonian since they were not considered a "dangerous ethnicity".

Funny how after Finnish Civil War some of the Finnish Reds escaped to Soviet Union only to be sent to Siberia. Meowch...!

That is like German speaking Czechs or Russian speaking Ukrainians expecting Hitler/Putin really means it when they say they only want this or that bit of extra territory, and that they really care about the freedoms and lives of the people "liberated" from their neighbors. Once their usefulness as tools for justifying expansion of the dictators playground has expired, they will join the line of minorities to blame whenever the next scheme of the dictator doesn't work out like he thought it would, and obviously it is never the guy in charges fault things didn't go to plan, it must be some tiny powerless groups fault via whatever contrived logic manages to stick.

[☎need4naiim☎]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kamiyama:

Communist revolution has all together killed more people than any other force in history. More than any single war including WW2, more than any other ideology, more than any weapons technology. It's estimated that over 100 million people have been killed fighting against Communist uprisings.

Most of them in China. The Imperial loyalists put up one hell of a fight and many websites will give you an inaccurate count because this was before the Internet and millions of people fought to the death in rural China who had no contact with the outside world. In this total you also count Russia, the Holodomor (Ukrainian genocide), all the countries absorbed into the Soviet Union, Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, and a number of smaller conflicts in other countries.

All for what? Absolute impoverishment and desperation, and democide. They would have been better off if Capitalists took over. They would still be impoverished and miserable but they would have more options at the supermarket and probably wouldn't be subject to democide.

IMO Mao Tse Tung would be #1 on the list.

Billions of people don't know about the things you wrote. Especially in BRICS countries, average people are subjected to the propaganda machine of Communist China and its "savior" image.

New generation is not acquainted with the fact that "How far CCP can push to make their agenda work". They do not know history, especially the history of Fascism, Communism, and Totalitarianism based on Nationalism/Socialism and Corporatism.

[Kobs]

My vote goes to Mao Zedong

Mao's government was responsible for vast numbers of deaths, with estimates ranging from 40 to 80 million victims through starvation, persecution, prison labour, and mass executions.

[Othobrithol]

So is the consensus metric number of dead? I'm not saying it's not an adequate predictor, but it also sort of wipes away any sort of evaluation based on reasons, background or even the types of death given.

I'm sure, somewhere out in human history, there is someone (probably in the basement of the people we're talking about) that killed far fewer people, but did it with such glee, pacing and technical precision that they really do surpass some ideolgue that gave speeches, listened only to sycophants when they should have been managing a famine.

[Starfarer]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Othobrithol:

So is the consensus metric number of dead? I'm not saying it's not an adequate predictor, but it also sort of wipes away sort of evaluation based on reasons, background or even the types of death given.

I'm sure, somewhere out in human history, there is someone (probably in the basement of the people we're talking about) that killed far fewer people, but did it with such glee, pacing and technical precision that they really do surpass some ideolgue that gave speeches. listened only to sycophants when they should have been managing a famine.

Have you heard of H.H. Holmes? He's a pretty sadistic serial killer in American history. He fits your description.

[AustrAlien2010]

Don't you think it's confusing to use the word "figure" for this? Because it's not a figure.
If I had to speak in your language, it would confuse me. For example, if I ask you: How is your figure? Then you can respond with: I'm build as a rock.
Unless I am mistaken, that's a figure.

[Insomniac Jack]

Easily Donald Trump. Keep America great, vote Biden in 2024.
I am not a WEF or Chinese plant, I swear.

[WhiteKnight77]

Ursprungligen skrivet av AustrAlien2010:

Don't you find it confusing to use the word "figure" for this? Because it's not a figure.
If I had to speak in your language, it would confuse me. For example, I ask you: How is your figure? You respond with: I'm build like a rock.
Unless I am mistaken, that's a figure.

A number can be referred to as a figure as in Figure 4 in relation to a drawing/picture in a manual. It can also be an idiom such as "figure of speech."

And, if your user name is a take on Australian, then you speak English as well and should understand how one word can have different meanings.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Ursprungligen skrivet av AustrAlien2010:

I understand that, but why not simply call it a person, if it's a person, instead of calling it a figure? Would that not make more sense?

Well a figure would be correct in a number of ways
Mainly down to name, because most dont know Adolf Hitler, Chinggis Khan, Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden or Iosif (Joseph) Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili

Thats Adolf, Khan, Osama and Stalin in order btw

[WhiteKnight77]

Ursprungligen skrivet av AustrAlien2010:

I understand that, but why not simply call it a person, if it's a person, instead of calling it a figure? Would that not make more sense?

The movie Hidden Figures[en.wikipedia.org] plays on that word as it describes the women mathematicians and the mathematics that they performed for the NASA in the early days of the space program, and the astronauts that trusted them with that math, even during such times when black women had a hard time in the work place.

[L1qu1dator]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Shizune:

Ursprungligen skrivet av AustrAlien2010:

I understand that, but why not simply call it a person, if it's a person, instead of calling it a figure? Would that not make more sense?

Well a figure would be correct in a number of ways
Mainly down to name, because most dont know Adolf Hitler, Chinggis Khan, Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden or Iosif (Joseph) Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili

Thats Adolf, Khan, Osama and Stalin in order btw

So Osama, guy hired by CIA, was more evil than CIA? Or someone like dr. Mengele?