Should The UK Make Firearms Legal?

[BunnieBealla]

If you think about it there's really no way to defend ourselves if the worst happens
most if not all weapons and even pepper spray is prohibited here
and with the knife crime and acid attacks increase over the last decade I think there's at least slight unease amongst the general population
Do you think we should be more lenient and have a right like the US to carry for protection? Or do you think it was the right choice to ban them? uwu

[Kargor]

İlk olarak Voroff tarafından gönderildi:

Then tell me, pretty please, about the situation in the montainous borders between China and India. I'm talking about warfare with sticks because of the ban on guns in this sensible region.

Luckily, in my case, Germany is nowhere near a mountainous border between China and India, so I don't really care.

We do have a mountainous border between Germany and Austria, though. Not sure about the violence there -- I do occasionally drive across the border because my parents live on one side, whereas fuel tends to be cheaper on the other side. So far, no bullet holes in my car.

[SvarogX]

İlk olarak De Hollandse Ezel tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Dmitriy tarafından gönderildi:

Criminals are still criminals whether guns are banned or not. Instead of shootings, you get stabbings, and good guys just have less options of defense. For Europe, it's probably a cultural thing.

With a sharp increase in crime within Europe after immigration made it more brown, a coincidental observation with no meaning at all, I've seen more debate around this topic and maybe we'll get better results for our tea drinking friends. Sad to see good people not have choices to defend themselves.

crime did increase when immigration increased I agree..
but thats why I propose to HALT that immigration and start sending a large chunk of those already here back.

seems a far more sensible thing than handing everbody including these hot tempered migrants guns.

Firstly, I concur with your initial point. However, regarding the second point, your assertion is incorrect. Migrants do not have the legal right to obtain firearms in many countries. For instance, in Switzerland, individuals without the appropriate visa paperwork cannot obtain a gun. Additionally, certain nationalities are prevented from acquiring firearms even if they obtain Swiss citizenship (Federal Office of Police, 2023). Similarly, in the Czech Republic and the United States, stringent regulations ensure that only individuals with the proper legal status can legally purchase firearms (European Firearms Directive, 2021; Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, 2023).

Your concern about migrants obtaining guns seems rooted in an excessive belief in equality. However, as I have elaborated in another discussion, such views do not promote freedom, liberty, or the right to self-protection. Instead, they render citizens more vulnerable. The balance of power is critical; citizens need the means to prevent authoritarian governments from seizing power, a concern that is becoming increasingly relevant. Unfortunately, in Europe, where obtaining and carrying firearms is highly restricted, citizens are at a disadvantage (Kleck, 2022).

Criminals, irrespective of regulations, will always find ways to acquire firearms and other weapons. Law-abiding citizens, on the other hand, are at a disadvantage because they adhere to laws that prevent them from carrying knives or obtaining guns for self-defence (Cook, Ludwig, & Braga, 2020). In another discussion, you mentioned that martial arts and pepper spray suffice for self-defence. This is a misconception. With over 20 years of experience in various self-defence systems, as a door supervisor, and coming from a police family, I can attest that in a real-life confrontation, these measures are often insufficient.

If mass media were to openly broadcast videos of knife and gun attacks occurring in Europe, without pixelation and censorship, perspectives like yours would likely change. The reality is that firearms are crucial for survival and self-defence in today's world (Lott, 2020).

Sources:

Federal Office of Police (2023). Firearms and Ammunition in Switzerland. Available at: https://www.fedpol.admin.ch

European Firearms Directive (2021). Firearms Regulations in the European Union. Available at: https://www.europa.eu

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (2023). Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide. Available at: https://www.atf.gov

Kleck, G. (2022). Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America. Aldine de Gruyter.
Cook, P.J., Ludwig, J., & Braga, A.A. (2020). Gun Control After Heller: Threats and Sideshows From a Social Welfare Perspective. Journal of Law and Economics, 53(4).

Lott, J.R. (2020). More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws. University of Chicago Press.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

İlk olarak Kargor tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Voroff tarafından gönderildi:

Then tell me, pretty please, about the situation in the montainous borders between China and India. I'm talking about warfare with sticks because of the ban on guns in this sensible region.

Luckily, in my case, Germany is nowhere near a mountainous border between China and India, so I don't really care.

We do have a mountainous border between Germany and Austria, though. Not sure about the violence there -- I do occasionally drive across the border because my parents live on one side, whereas fuel tends to be cheaper on the other side. So far, no bullet holes in my car.

but a big hole in your wallet.. given those fuel prices:P

[TGC> The Games Collector]

Nah, you need to legalize swords again. And allow open carry of that.

That'll take care of the knifers, they won't stand a chance because swords have better reach.

[SvarogX]

İlk olarak Trash tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Triple G tarafından gönderildi:

Ah okay, so it´s not about citizenship or heritage, but they only need to change their religion. Thanks for the answer.

Thank you for twisting my words.

Don't feed the troll.

[Ulfrinn]

İlk olarak Voroff tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Zeno tarafından gönderildi:

In conclusion, while Australia's approach to gun control has merits, the U.S. experience highlights that strict regulations do not guarantee reduced violence. Emphasizing responsible gun ownership and education, rather than restrictive laws, can foster a safer society while preserving individual freedoms.

... ... d'you really need a study to say that humans are humans, and thus tribalist and violent by nature ? Have you heard of the youth of London and knives ?
What a load of words to say a simple truth.

Tribalist and violent by nature sounds like a good reason why people should have a right to stay protected. And what's London going to do next? Ban knives? Where does it end? And mass shootings are going up in Europe, there have been several major ones over the past year, there's nothing left to legislate on that matter and existing legislation has clearly failed to provide the protection governments disingenuously claimed it would.

The ones harmed the most about bans are the ones physically unable to fist fight their way out of a situation. Women, elderly, disabled. There's a reason these are the primary targets for assailants. They're easy victims.

It's the same reason a lion targets a sick and weak animal as opposed to one that poses a serious risk when it fights back.

[Voroff]

İlk olarak Kargor tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Voroff tarafından gönderildi:

Then tell me, pretty please, about the situation in the montainous borders between China and India. I'm talking about warfare with sticks because of the ban on guns in this sensible region.

Luckily, in my case, Germany is nowhere near a mountainous border between China and India, so I don't really care.

We do have a mountainous border between Germany and Austria, though. Not sure about the violence there -- I do occasionally drive across the border because my parents live on one side, whereas fuel tends to be cheaper on the other side. So far, no bullet holes in my car.

Bullet holes are not the motto of Wild Austrians. Tell me about the bite marks on the chassis .... :p

İlk olarak Zeno tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Voroff tarafından gönderildi:

Then tell me, pretty please, about the situation in the montainous borders between China and India. I'm talking about warfare with sticks because of the ban on guns in this sensible region.

Therefore, understanding the China-India border dynamics requires consideration of broader geopolitical and military factors, emphasizing national defense strategies and diplomatic initiatives over civilian firearm regulations in managing sensitive border disputes.

My thanks :)
And ... you personal take about it would be ? Is it bad, is it medieval, is it a good legal shenanigan, a brilliant overturn of the legalese wording ? Is it something to fear, for the region, or for the culture of humanity as a whole is this behavior spreads ?

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İlk olarak Abaddon the Despoiler tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak BunnieBealla tarafından gönderildi:

If you think about it there's really no way to defend ourselves if the worst happens

If everyone carries guns it just means the worst is much more likely to happen.

No, the exact opposite actually.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Yes.

[Voroff]

İlk olarak Ulfrinn tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Voroff tarafından gönderildi:

... ... d'you really need a study to say that humans are humans, and thus tribalist and violent by nature ? Have you heard of the youth of London and knives ?
What a load of words to say a simple truth.

Tribalist and violent by nature sounds like a good reason why people should have a right to stay protected. And what's London going to do next? Ban knives? Where does it end? And mass shootings are going up in Europe, there have been several major ones over the past year, there's nothing left to legislate on that matter and existing legislation has clearly failed to provide the protection governments disingenuously claimed it would.

The ones harmed the most about bans are the ones physically unable to fist fight their way out of a situation. Women, elderly, disabled. There's a reason these are the primary targets for assailants. They're easy victims.

It's the same reason a lion targets a sick and weak animal as opposed to one that poses a serious risk when it fights back.

T'was that thing called the enlightenment, or enlighten age, something something. One of the main stream of thought at the time was a kinda naive thinking that education is the key to a better humankind as a whole. That great education during youth will resolve a hundred percent of human flaws.

Well. I believe education is key, too. But even with a great education, there will always be 5% of those who live only to watch things burn. That's psychology for you, and it hasent been debunked yet, whatever the tries were.

That's why prisons and institutions will always be needed. In my opinion, at least.

If we are talking about the gangs of london, we are not talking about educated peeps that had understood and integrated Spinoza, Shopenhauer, Socrates and Voltaire.



On the other hand, cracking down on violence is a thing to do, but never to forget cracking down on white-collar crimes too. Corruption is an ... old problem in europe. Nowadays it's called lobbies, and it's legal and it's checked by itself, so no problems, see ? Sigh. Again, education, ethics ... responsabilities and assuming them.
You just cant throw everything under the bus of crimes and immigration, bad politics are bad and misplaced nationalism when there are real problems - is misplaced.

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İlk olarak BunnieBealla tarafından gönderildi:

If you think about it there's really no way to defend ourselves if the worst happens
most if not all weapons and even pepper spray is prohibited here
and with the knife crime and acid attacks increase over the last decade I think there's at least slight unease amongst the general population
Do you think we should be more lenient and have a right like the US to carry for protection? Or do you think it was the right choice to ban them? uwu

It's the right decision to ban them.

Understand, though, that the UK is very different to the US. Guns have been banned in some form or another for a very long time, so the number of people who have them in the UK is very low. So, there really isn't anything to defend yourself from.

What the absolute ♥♥♥♥? Utterly brain dead. Imagine this person being able to vote.

[76561199099449901]

İlk olarak Lone Wolf tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak BlackBloodRum tarafından gönderildi:

You can legally buy and own firearms in the UK.

{BAĞLANTI SİLİNDİ}https://www.gov.uk/find-licences/shotgun-and-firearm-certificates

We cant have full auto or out over 22 cal hand gun.

Full auto is not "self defense" it is murder spree

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

semi is a reasonable limitation, even bolt action possibly but no less than that

[Toast On Cheese]

They pretty much allow rape so why not allow guns I guess.

[Charles]

You get what you deserve I guess. Most people in the UK supported gun confiscation, now they have to live with it.