These "woke" game detectors are a bunch of nonsense.

[bbally1981]

Been looking around some of those "is it woke" detectors out of curiousity and yeah it's all a bunch of nonsense as the list of games they included on their "woke games to avoid" list is puzzling, like how are games like Granblue Fantasy: Relink, Super Robot Wars 30, Like A Dragon: Ishin or Undertale "woke"?

[76561199652807642]

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

Originally posted by 76561197978136978:

I am not your friend, you would need to become honest first. If you even know how to do that. With all your talk about echo chambers and so on, it is quite obvious that you are exactly like the woke in many ways. Which to me means that you simply are one.

I do believe I said that both sides, the woke and anti-woke occupy echo chambers. Now how could I be woke, and at the same time... call out the woke? That does not make logical sense to me. Plus, the opinion of someone believing that I am dishonest does not make me dishonest.

I believe that anti-white racism is bad. Just as I believe anti-minority racism is bad.
I believe that anti-male sexism is bad. Just as I believe anti-female sexism is bad.
I believe that anti-straight discrimination is bad. Just as I believe anti-LGBT discrimination is bad.

I'm just against discrimination in general. I don't care who it is against. Because the people on the other side of that discrimination are Human Beings, no matter what we tell ourselves.

You're just even more tricky than the average woke, I guess.

Your argument about sides seems to make sense at first sight, but when applied to the topic at hand, it does not. The "anti-woke side" does not actually exist. It's convenient to have something to call it when you want to talk about it, but you should never put them "side-to-side" as if they were even remotely comparable.

[Amaterasu]

Originally posted by 76561197978136978:

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

I do believe I said that both sides, the woke and anti-woke occupy echo chambers. Now how could I be woke, and at the same time... call out the woke? That does not make logical sense to me. Plus, the opinion of someone believing that I am dishonest does not make me dishonest.

I believe that anti-white racism is bad. Just as I believe anti-minority racism is bad.
I believe that anti-male sexism is bad. Just as I believe anti-female sexism is bad.
I believe that anti-straight discrimination is bad. Just as I believe anti-LGBT discrimination is bad.

I'm just against discrimination in general. I don't care who it is against. Because the people on the other side of that discrimination are Human Beings, no matter what we tell ourselves.

You're just even more tricky than the average woke, I guess.

Your argument about sides seems to make sense at first sight, but when applied to the topic at hand, it does not. The "anti-woke side" does not actually exist. It's convenient to have something to call it when you want to talk about it, but you should never put them "side-to-side" as if they were even remotely comparable.

Asserting it doesn't make it true. Saying that there isn't an opposing side to the Woke Movement is ignoring the evidence that there is.

I don't like the fact this culture war is happening and I wish people would just let art be art... but I can't just close my eyes, plug my ears and pretend it's not happening. And for a war to happen, it has to have... two or more sides.

Plus the two straight white dudes in the game I'm making are both good aligned people. Complex good aligned people, but the neutral characters are complex neutral aligned people, and the one evil character is a complex evil aligned dude.

[76561199652807642]

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

Originally posted by 76561197978136978:

You're just even more tricky than the average woke, I guess.

Your argument about sides seems to make sense at first sight, but when applied to the topic at hand, it does not. The "anti-woke side" does not actually exist. It's convenient to have something to call it when you want to talk about it, but you should never put them "side-to-side" as if they were even remotely comparable.

Asserting it doesn't make it true. Saying that there isn't an opposing side to the Woke Movement is ignoring the evidence that there is.

I don't like the fact this culture war is happening and I wish people would just let art be art... but I can't just close my eyes, plug my ears and pretend it's not happening. And for a war to happen, it has to have... two or more sides.

Plus the two straight white dudes in the game I'm making are both good aligned people. Complex good aligned people, but the neutral characters are complex neutral aligned people, and the one evil character is a complex evil aligned dude.

Ah, I see what went wrong here. You felt the need to attack my comment which was directed at somebody else. I had no intention to continue conversing with you, because you are a terrible debater.

"Asserting it doesn't make it true" ??? Seriously? What even goes on in your head to manage to type something like that?

I could go on but I won't. For a wokie you are at least trying I guess, so that's something, but it's still way too frustrating for me to want to keep engaging with.

[Amaterasu]

Originally posted by 76561197978136978:

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

Asserting it doesn't make it true. Saying that there isn't an opposing side to the Woke Movement is ignoring the evidence that there is.

I don't like the fact this culture war is happening and I wish people would just let art be art... but I can't just close my eyes, plug my ears and pretend it's not happening. And for a war to happen, it has to have... two or more sides.

Plus the two straight white dudes in the game I'm making are both good aligned people. Complex good aligned people, but the neutral characters are complex neutral aligned people, and the one evil character is a complex evil aligned dude.

Ah, I see what went wrong here. You felt the need to attack my comment which was directed at somebody else. I had no intention to continue conversing with you, because you are a terrible debater.

"Asserting it doesn't make it true" ??? Seriously? What even goes on in your head to manage to type something like that?

I could go on but I won't. For a wokie you are at least trying I guess, so that's something, but it's still way too frustrating for me to want to keep engaging with.

No, I think that sungoddess14 person happens to be me. So I was replying to your reply to me. See, I don't need to engage in ad hominem attacks. I can simply debate the points like a civil person, because I'm not deep in any echo chamber. In fact, I more or less keep to myself outside of the Steam Forums and would prefer if Politics were completely stripped from the forums entirely. No right wing, no left wing, no centralist. No politics period.

[veracsthane]

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

Originally posted by 76561197978136978:

Ah, I see what went wrong here. You felt the need to attack my comment which was directed at somebody else. I had no intention to continue conversing with you, because you are a terrible debater.

"Asserting it doesn't make it true" ??? Seriously? What even goes on in your head to manage to type something like that?

I could go on but I won't. For a wokie you are at least trying I guess, so that's something, but it's still way too frustrating for me to want to keep engaging with.

No, I think that sungoddess14 person happens to be me. So I was replying to your reply to me. See, I don't need to engage in ad hominem attacks. I can simply debate the points like a civil person, because I'm not deep in any echo chamber. In fact, I more or less keep to myself outside of the Steam Forums and would prefer if Politics were completely stripped from the forums entirely. No right wing, no left wing, no centralist. No politics period.

report him and block him. hes picking a fight on purpose because he intends to false flag you i know youve seen the other who do the same and gotten bans like me the other 2 posting about this. its not worth it anymore.

[76561199652807642]

Originally posted by veracsthane:

Originally posted by sungoddess14:

No, I think that sungoddess14 person happens to be me. So I was replying to your reply to me. See, I don't need to engage in ad hominem attacks. I can simply debate the points like a civil person, because I'm not deep in any echo chamber. In fact, I more or less keep to myself outside of the Steam Forums and would prefer if Politics were completely stripped from the forums entirely. No right wing, no left wing, no centralist. No politics period.

report him and block him. hes picking a fight on purpose because he intends to false flag you i know youve seen the other who do the same and gotten bans like me the other 2 posting about this. its not worth it anymore.

I literally said that I wanted to end the conversation. So I was lying and I actually want it to go on, according to you? And you are so certain of this that you claim it without any reservation whatsoever.

[Sciencemile]

sungoddess14, where can I find out more about the game you are making?

[意味のない人生]

Originally posted by 76561197978136978:

Originally posted by veracsthane:

report him and block him. hes picking a fight on purpose because he intends to false flag you i know youve seen the other who do the same and gotten bans like me the other 2 posting about this. its not worth it anymore.

I literally said that I wanted to end the conversation. So I was lying and I actually want it to go on, according to you? And you are so certain of this that you claim it without any reservation whatsoever.

Kinda appears like you were lying, seeing as you're still here arguing with multiple people. If you really do want it to end, unsub from this thread and move on with your life. It's that easy.

[crunchyfrog]

Simply because those who bang on about things being "woke" both have no idea what it means, and simply use it as an umbrella term to bung anything under that they're prejudiced against.

It's one of the oldest right wing tricks in the book ( but not exclusively right wing, of course).

You can easily test this by getting a group of people who belong to such groups and ask them individually "Please define what woke means" and I guarantee you will not get anything like a similar answer.

On top of this, what they term as woke ideals are utter nonsense anyway, as they deny history. They will cry things like "this didn't used to happen" whne it absolutely did and they're just being dishonestly selective.

I've often commented about a claim that's often made about trans or gay stuff being pushed to our youth and it's an alarming new trend. When I point out that David Bowie existed and album covers like "The Man who sold the world" in 1973 also existed (look that up), and the fact he often went on about androgynous stuff as well as being gay himself, it demonstrates how silly they are.

Also, artists like Boy George, Freddie Mercury (go look up at why Queen's "I want to break free" was removed from MTV in the US), and MANY MANY more all were front and centre in popularity and openly talking about their sexuality.

Also during the start of punk in the late 1970s, there was a band called the Tom Robinson band that had a massive hit "2468 Motorway". The B-side? Glad to be gay, which became a MASSIVE anthem for the gay rights movement here in Britain.

[hazydistance]

Originally posted by crunchyfrog:

I've often commented about a claim that's often made about trans or gay stuff being pushed to our youth and it's an alarming new trend. When I point out that David Bowie existed and album covers like "The Man who sold the world" in 1973 also existed (look that up), and the fact he often went on about androgynous stuff as well as being gay himself, it demonstrates how silly they are.

Hot damn, they taught Bowie in primary school as absolute fact? Also, great album, came out in 1970/1971, depending on territory (Aladdin Sane, even better, was 1973). Bowie ended up marrying a (female) supermodel though. Guess it was just a phase.

Maybe tone down the condescension a bit, btw. You're probably not the Supreme Knower on this here planet. Not everyone wants to cancel history.

[Amaterasu]

Originally posted by Sciencemile:

sungoddess14, where can I find out more about the game you are making?

Nowhere, I've been keeping more or less quiet about it because it's very early Alpha.

Originally posted by crunchyfrog:

Simply because those who bang on about things being "woke" both have no idea what it means, and simply use it as an umbrella term to bung anything under that they're prejudiced against.

It's one of the oldest right wing tricks in the book ( but not exclusively right wing, of course).

You can easily test this by getting a group of people who belong to such groups and ask them individually "Please define what woke means" and I guarantee you will not get anything like a similar answer.

On top of this, what they term as woke ideals are utter nonsense anyway, as they deny history. They will cry things like "this didn't used to happen" whne it absolutely did and they're just being dishonestly selective.

I've often commented about a claim that's often made about trans or gay stuff being pushed to our youth and it's an alarming new trend. When I point out that David Bowie existed and album covers like "The Man who sold the world" in 1973 also existed (look that up), and the fact he often went on about androgynous stuff as well as being gay himself, it demonstrates how silly they are.

Also, artists like Boy George, Freddie Mercury (go look up at why Queen's "I want to break free" was removed from MTV in the US), and MANY MANY more all were front and centre in popularity and openly talking about their sexuality.

Also during the start of punk in the late 1970s, there was a band called the Tom Robinson band that had a massive hit "2468 Motorway". The B-side? Glad to be gay, which became a MASSIVE anthem for the gay rights movement here in Britain.

George Michael, the man pretty much singlehandedly responsible for the saxophone being used for porn... is also gay.

[ุ]

People who paint LGBT as a "recent" issue are only doing so because LGBT are getting recognition by the public nowadays, LGBT individuals have existed for literal millennia.

Easier to paint it as a "new issue" than just change one's view/beliefs to accept that these demographics have always existed.

Especially difficult for those of religious backgrounds, or from regions where religion still dominates the population.

[Amaterasu]

Originally posted by Leonardo Da Pinchi:

People who paint LGBT as a "recent" issue are only doing so because LGBT are getting recognition by the public nowadays, LGBT individuals have existed for literal millennia.

Easier to paint it as a "new issue" than just change one's view/beliefs to accept that these demographics have always existed.

Especially difficult for those of religious backgrounds, or from regions where religion still dominates the population.

For example, the Thebian Sacred Band. Most badass Ancient Greek unit this side of Sparta. All gay men... and lovers.

[Seraphita]

There is a difference between being gay and pushing the gay agenda down people's throats. For the record, there is nothing wrong with not being straight. Some people unfortunately try to label even very little gay content as "woke trash", though. It's sad on that side...

It's like people forgot that the true "woke" stuff is when it's shoved in your face and it sacrifices everything else to make you know that it "exists". But nowadays, everyone mixes everything in one basket and labels it the same. This is when words lose meaning.

[crunchyfrog]

Originally posted by hazydistance:

Originally posted by crunchyfrog:

I've often commented about a claim that's often made about trans or gay stuff being pushed to our youth and it's an alarming new trend. When I point out that David Bowie existed and album covers like "The Man who sold the world" in 1973 also existed (look that up), and the fact he often went on about androgynous stuff as well as being gay himself, it demonstrates how silly they are.

Hot damn, they taught Bowie in primary school as absolute fact? Also, great album, came out in 1970/1971, depending on territory (Aladdin Sane, even better, was 1973). Bowie ended up marrying a (female) supermodel though. Guess it was just a phase.

Maybe tone down the condescension a bit, btw. You're probably not the Supreme Knower on this here planet. Not everyone wants to cancel history.

First off, it's not condescension. I ALWAYS talk like this - by all means check my history.

Second, no they didn't teach it in schools. But you are aware who bought these records aren't you? The same legislation applies every bit to that (or did then) as school books and so on.

And he WAS gay. It wasn't a phase. He did indeed marry but he kept up being gay, or rather bisexual all the way through his life. If you read up about him you'd know this.

And please don't make silly claims about me being supreme knower. I'm meremly demonstrating factual infomration. Sorry if you can't handle that. Don't use strawman claim that I haven't made.

You are correct the date though. I always get the age of his albums mixed up.