We are basically back to the Cold War era

[vapechimp]

I just open the news media and read - US shrugs off Putin's nuclear threat

And I realize we are back in the Cold War era when there was threat of nuclear escalation all the time.

I haven't lived during the Cold War era but I can see now what it is and it is bad. Because this is not Kim from Korea threatening nuclear to which we are used to shrug it off with a grin on the face, but this is Russia.

In fact this is worse than the Cold War era because back then there was no hot conflict, but now we have active hot war in Europe. This is insane

The question I am asking to myself is, do our politicians confuse wishful thinking with reality because what I am reading in the news is surrealistic

Just for one term Biden created so massive problems that he threw the world back into the cold war era. He really is unfit to be president

[THE LORD]

Putin won't have the balls to nuke anyone.

[Spirit]

would americans like 5 chinese aircraft carriers at usa borders? americans are doing this to the chinese

[Stingray_tm]

Цитата допису Ulfrinn:

Цитата допису Stingray_tm:

Yes. Which is normal for a country under attack and existential threat. The same would happen in America, too.

This was forced onto the Ukrainians by the Russian invasion. Don't try to pretend like this is something the Uktrainians wanted.

And every dictatorship who has ever seized such power, did so under the claim that it was necessary for security against some threat. Simply the threat, according to the media they now control, never ends so dictators never have to give it up. You're naive if you think Zelensky's excuse is different from any other dictators.

And every democracy in WW2 that survived as a free nation, remained a democracy even after they had a draft where draft dodgers were prosecuted and put behind bars. In these countries there was also media censorship. And those countries did not descent into dictatorship.
The same applies to the US and Vietnam, by the way. And in the US's case it wasn't even a fight for survival. And yet they still limited freedoms during wartime. And after the war was over, the limitations were lifted.

So your point is invalid, because you are anti-Ukraine and thus decided it is a dictatorship, even though the country is actually fighting for remaining a democracy. Just like the UK did in WW2. Or the United States.
You are naive if you blindly follow Russian propaganda, completely ignoring any real world examples that don't fit into your agenda.

We can have this discussion again, when the war is over, Ukraine is still a free country and then we can see if Ukraine has free elections (which Russia doesn't have) and no media cencorrship (which Russia does have).

Ukraine desperately wants to be part of NATO and the EU. For this to happen, Ukraine must follow democratic principles.

[Groogo]

Цитата допису Behelit:

would americans like 5 chinese aircraft carriers at usa borders? americans are doing this to the chinese

The Chinese purchased a decommissioned Russian aircraft carrier that they tow out to sea with Tugs now and then, it's a very frighting fleet.

[Stingray_tm]

Цитата допису Behelit:

would americans like 5 chinese aircraft carriers at usa borders? americans are doing this to the chinese

America might not like it but as long as the Chinese aircraft carriers stayed in international waters, the US would have absolutely no right to complain. It especually would not justify takling military action.

[Groogo]

Цитата допису Stingray_tm:

Цитата допису Behelit:

would americans like 5 chinese aircraft carriers at usa borders? americans are doing this to the chinese

America might not like it but as long as the Chinese aircraft carriers stayed in international waters, the US would have absolutely no right to complain. It especually would not justify takling military action.

LOL, no one cares about the non- functioning Chinese aircraft carrier. LOL And if you think that first-gen aircraft carries are a threat of any kind your off, no one is scared.

[Stingray_tm]

Цитата допису Groogo:

Цитата допису Stingray_tm:

America might not like it but as long as the Chinese aircraft carriers stayed in international waters, the US would have absolutely no right to complain. It especually would not justify takling military action.

LOL, no one cares about the non- functioning Chinese aircraft carrier. LOL

China has 2 aircraft carriers, with a third currently being fitted out and a fourth under development.

[Grendalcat]

OP I grew up during the Cold War. You get used to it.

[Ganger]

Цитата допису THE LORD:

Putin won't have the balls to nuke anyone.

Lets hope this is true and lets hope the same can be said for nato leaders as well. But I surpect there are people on both sides who would want a nuclear war no matter the cost.

[Groogo]

Цитата допису Stingray_tm:

Цитата допису Groogo:

LOL, no one cares about the non- functioning Chinese aircraft carrier. LOL

China has 2 aircraft carriers, with a third currently being fitted out and a fourth under development.

First gen, they very likely do not even function properly. crews, training, equipment, sub-standard or not even available.

China has also built many cities with stores that have no proprietors and residential buildings that have no tenants.

Chinese propaganda and media hype.

[Ye]

Цитата допису Stingray_tm:

Ukraine desperately wants to be part of NATO and the EU. For this to happen, Ukraine must follow democratic principles.

Ukraine can never be a democracy. The CIA overthrew the last legitimate elected Ukrainian officials in 2014 in something called the "Revolution of Dignity." There is no saving Ukraine's democracy, only funding a war so weapon makers get more money.

[crunchyfrog]

Цитата допису Ganger:

Do most of us here really believe some 19 year russian lad from any small town is really your enemy ?

That's the rub isn't it?

It's the same argument as ANY conflict. The problem isn't the people in the vast majority of cases, but the governance or forces.

Case in point - Israel and Gaza.

It's dead obvious to see Hamas bad,
Palestinian people fine.
Israel forces and government crap,
Israeli people fine.

[Rio]

Ain't your country socialist?

[【ボス B o s s】]

Цитата допису vapechimp:

We are basically back to the Cold War era

I prefer the Hot War era myself.

[Kamiyama]

Цитата допису Vote Quimby:

Oh God. Again this bad Russia, look they build their homeland too close to our military bases!
The real threat is not Russia, it is western world elites that want to keep their world influence at all costs.

This. The fact is Ukrainian independence is a less important issue than starting global nuclear war.

Anyone who supports Ukraine is criminally unable to set correct priorities. Like they belong in Arkham Asylum. They certainly shouldn't be voting.