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Dreakon13 2013 年 11 月 16 日 下午 1:35
Why is split-screen removed from PC games?
Is there a reason for this? Borderlands, Left 4 Dead and Resident Evil 5 are the biggies I can think of, where the consoles have split-screen but the developers actually go the extra mile to have that functionality removed from the PC ports. Just looked at Lord of the Rings: War In The North and saw split-screen gameplay footage... of course it's not available on the PC though. It can't be because of performance, right?

Even if it's just because "couch coop" is less popular on PC, wouldn't it be more work to take existing functionality out of a game than to just leave it?

I realize it's a better question for the developers themselves, but just for discussion purposes I wanted to ask here. Why is this accepted practice? Especially with the PC slowly working it's way into the living room...
最后由 Dreakon13 编辑于; 2013 年 11 月 16 日 下午 1:38
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xZenArcade 2013 年 11 月 20 日 下午 9:25 
The "I wouldn't use splitscreen so it shouldnt exist" argument is not a valid argument of any sort. The features are coded in the games, and then either removed or locked off when ported to the glorious pc. My rig is probably more beastly than most of the posters here, and is connected to a 60" screen, in the living room, with both a mouse/kb and two 360 controllers attached.

The fact that I have to run 3rd party software to play Borderlands 2 in split screen with my friend, after spending nearly an hour to set up configs and batch files, is just insulting, and lazyness from developers, who are enabled buy the I-hate-splitscreen-so-there crowd.
Gus the Crocodile 2013 年 11 月 20 日 下午 9:44 
引用自 xzenarcade
The fact that I have to run 3rd party software to play Borderlands 2 in split screen with my friend, after spending nearly an hour to set up configs and batch files, is just insulting, and lazyness from developers, who are enabled buy the I-hate-splitscreen-so-there crowd.
I don't know that the I'm-paying-the-developers-to-make-games-that-insult-me crowd are really helping either, but hey, maybe you got it at a massive discount or something. :P
最后由 Gus the Crocodile 编辑于; 2013 年 11 月 20 日 下午 9:45
crunchyfrog 2013 年 11 月 21 日 上午 1:49 
引用自 Lasaubia
Pc, console. Weren't supposed to play with eachother! Two different gameplay styles, whole bunch different company's! And if your friends don't have something you don't have or vice versa, that's no reason to ask why something isn't something isn't. Changing pc's to having spit screen is pretty much making them consoles! Plus, steam box is already doing that

Complete and utter nonsense.

If it were so, then there wouldn't be many cross-platform games.

The simple reason why devs don't go for split-screen is well-documented, of you care to check. It's partly because as stated already - that sharing a keyboard and one mouse would be ridiculous. Also, extra development costs for a small minority that want to use split-screen, traditionally.

However, that is changing. Controllers on PCs are a common thing now, so split screen does happen. Good thing too- there should be a level playing field.
Dreakon13 2013 年 11 月 21 日 上午 3:33 
引用自 Gus the Crocodile
引用自 xzenarcade
The fact that I have to run 3rd party software to play Borderlands 2 in split screen with my friend, after spending nearly an hour to set up configs and batch files, is just insulting, and lazyness from developers, who are enabled buy the I-hate-splitscreen-so-there crowd.
I don't know that the I'm-paying-the-developers-to-make-games-that-insult-me crowd are really helping either, but hey, maybe you got it at a massive discount or something. :P
There's literally nothing indicating that split-screen has been removed in many of these games. Your only recourse is to dig up threads/topics of people upset that split-screen is mysteriously gone.

Heck, the Steam description for Far Cry 3 actually said it had split-screen for a short time. Was reading Game Informers "co-op" issue a few months back and it pretty shamelessly included PC as a platform in the group of traditionally local co-op/split-screen games like Left 4 Dead and Borderlands/Borderlands 2. The PC ports just aren't advertised as the inferior releases... like I said, it's borderline false advertising sometimes.
最后由 Dreakon13 编辑于; 2013 年 11 月 21 日 上午 3:37
Gus the Crocodile 2013 年 11 月 21 日 上午 5:06 
Game Informer not doing their research is Game Informer's business, not developers'. Of course if something is actually false in the description as you mention with Far Cry 3, then that's something to get up in arms about. But generally you shouldn't make assumptions about ports being identical on different platforms.
Dreakon13 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 3:57 
引用自 Gus the Crocodile
Game Informer not doing their research is Game Informer's business, not developers'. Of course if something is actually false in the description as you mention with Far Cry 3, then that's something to get up in arms about. But generally you shouldn't make assumptions about ports being identical on different platforms.
If you look up Borderlands for the PC on Amazon[www.amazon.com], it says that it both requires Steam and supports split-screen. Take a stab at which is true and which isn't?

There's a general misrepresentation when it comes to split-screen on PC games... there's no effort whatsoever to inform the user it's gone and in some cases, like the few I listed, it's actually flat out wrong. The only way to really know for sure is to check the forums for the obligatory "where the ♥♥♥♥ is the split-screen" topic before buying, which frankly isn't good enough for a feature that never should've been removed in the first place.
最后由 Dreakon13 编辑于; 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 4:04
Gus the Crocodile 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 4:19 
Since we're repeating ourselves:
引用自 Gus the Crocodile
Of course if something is actually false in the description as you mention with Far Cry 3 [and Borderlands on Amazon], then that's something to get up in arms about
Dreakon13 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 6:22 
I'm not sure what your goal is here? I don't think I've actually seen you respond to the topic, you just seem to be picking replies apart.

Even if you ignore the cases of blatant false advertising, which is never acceptable, I'm still not a huge fan of developers taking the time and effort to actually remove useful (to some) functionality from PC ports... and then not even think enough of the PC community to give a reason why... or even mention it.

And if your response to that is, "then don't buy it"... apparently someone somewhere has to. To inform the rest of us that split-screen didn't make the cut. For some reason.
最后由 Dreakon13 编辑于; 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 6:33
Gus the Crocodile 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 6:37 
引用自 Dreakon
I'm not sure what your goal is here? I don't think I've actually seen you respond to the topic, you just seem to be picking replies apart.
What, is everyone required to state an opinion on the topic before talking to other people in the thread about the things they've said? Are you that interested in what I - some stranger on the internet - thinks of this occurence, after three or four pages of similar opinions from other strangers? Okay, sure: I'm not a fan of devs removing features like splitscreen either.

And yes, my response is "then don't buy it". I mean it's understandable to be disappointed, but I wouldn't dwell on it; there's no shortage of good games out there to spend your time on instead. I just choose to reward and celebrate the devs that do keep such features in their games, like Croteam.

As for "someone has to", well first, there are people who do that for a living, and you can just read what they write. Alternately, you could ask the developer directly, which doesn't require buying anything. Granted not all developers will respond to individual questions, but many will, and even the ones that aren't so talkative only have to answer once for the information to be linked across the entire internet.
最后由 Gus the Crocodile 编辑于; 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 6:38
Dreakon13 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 7:00 
引用自 Gus the Crocodile
What, is everyone required to state an opinion on the topic before talking to other people in the thread about the things they've said? Are you that interested in what I - some stranger on the internet - thinks of this occurence, after three or four pages of similar opinions from other strangers?
Why do you think I made the topic? Yes, I'm curious to hear your opinion. Do you think I made it with the intentions of avoiding hearing what strangers think? The more time you spend here not offering one, the more inclined I am to ask.

I agree about reading reviews and doing research before buying a game, however, you're kidding yourself if you think there's a good chance of a reviewer touching on missing split-screen functionality in the games PC port. Considering the PC generally doesn't get a ton of love in the gaming world outside PC-exclusive games (and even then), and split-screen is often a lower priority then it should be IMO. Hence, the constant misinformation and lack of information about it out there.

It's a crapshoot.

And for all the good games out there, there's a lack of really good split-screen shooters on the PC. It's pretty much Resident Evil 6 and Serious Sam on an island. Borderlands, Left 4 Dead and Resident Evil 5 would definitely beef up the roster. Far Cry 3 would help as well.
最后由 Dreakon13 编辑于; 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 7:09
Gus the Crocodile 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 7:31 
however, you're kidding yourself if you think there's a good chance of a reviewer touching on missing split-screen functionality in the games PC port
I've seen no statistics on this, so forgive me if I dismiss your dismissal as equally meaningless at this point. It doesn't really matter, the point was, you're on the internet. Research on simple questions like "does X include splitscreen" is trivial, and you should be doing it anyway, for ports and everything else.

Hence, the constant misinformation and lack of information about it out there.
If developers can get by despite this, it seems to me that shows that the market in general doesn't actually care all that much.

And honestly, we very quickly exhaust discussion on what you can do about that. You no doubt already know your options. You can choose to not buy their games (because if what they're doing works, they have no reason to change) and of course tell them your reasons. You can make open public complaints like this thread. But you're not their employer; they have no obligation to make the games you or I or anyone else wants them to make. We can step up and make our own games if we care that much.
Dreakon13 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 7:48 
引用自 Gus the Crocodile
If developers can get by despite this, it seems to me that shows that the market in general doesn't actually care all that much.
I don't have any statistics to back this up, of course, but I think the consoles generally tend to be the bread and butter for most developers not named Blizzard and Valve. PC users tend to just be greatful if the port has proper mouse and keyboard support and multiple resolutions to pick from.

Which makes your point true, they don't care about split-screen. And the developers do get by. That doesn't make this a good situation though.

引用自 Gus the Crocodile
And honestly, we very quickly exhaust discussion on what you can do about that. You no doubt already know your options. You can choose to not buy their games (because if what they're doing works, they have no reason to change) and of course tell them your reasons. You can make open public complaints like this thread. But you're not their employer; they have no obligation to make the games you or I or anyone else wants them to make. We can step up and make our own games if we care that much.
I suppose the topic was more for heated speculation on why split-screen is the red headed stepchild of coop gaming on the PC, especially nowadays where gamepads are common and fully supported in almost every big release, and why PC users are so incredibly okay with losing features from what many consider the most versatile platform.

I actually don't recall asking for advise on where to find answers to whether or not games have split-screen (infact I reference this in the OP)... though I do appreciate it.
最后由 Dreakon13 编辑于; 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 7:58
Gus the Crocodile 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 8:03 
It's simple: people are comfortable with "losing" features when they weren't going to make (much) use of them. I have no use for splitscreen; my only interest in its inclusion is an abstract appreciation of "more options is better" as a key appeal of the PC as a platform. (I put losing in quotes because it's kind of a loaded word if they never used them in the first place - people haven't lost anything, the game has, and the game has no feelings)

I think a lot of people are in the same boat. You can say all you like that plenty of people use their PCs in their living rooms or whatever, but "plenty" is unquantified - it's a big world, there are plenty of pretty much any niche hobbyist. My completely unsupported guess would be that despite there being plenty of you, people with living room PCs are in fact a minority, so expecting the big publishers to cater to you is...well, optimistic, let's say.

That may change if, say, SteamOS takes off. We'll see.
Dreakon13 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 8:09 
引用自 Gus the Crocodile
It's simple: people are comfortable with "losing" features when they weren't going to make (much) use of them. I have no use for splitscreen; my only interest in its inclusion is an abstract appreciation of "more options is better" as a key appeal of the PC as a platform. (I put losing in quotes because it's kind of a loaded word if they never used them in the first place - people haven't lost anything, the game has, and the game has no feelings)

I think a lot of people are in the same boat. You can say all you like that plenty of people use their PCs in their living rooms or whatever, but "plenty" is unquantified - it's a big world, there are plenty of pretty much any niche hobbyist. My completely unsupported guess would be that despite there being plenty of you, people with living room PCs are in fact a minority, so expecting the big publishers to cater to you is...well, optimistic, let's say.
I guess I just don't consider it "catering to me", to not remove features that already exist in a game. I'm not asking for Oculus Rift support here, or some obscure addon that the developers never considered...

And it's not so much people being indifferent towards it, that I can understand... but many people in this thread have actually been vehemently against the idea of including split-screen (which, just keep in mind, already existed on other platforms). It's obnoxious, and typically just some legitimately weird anti-console bias.
最后由 Dreakon13 编辑于; 2013 年 11 月 21 日 下午 8:12
WhiteKnight77 2013 年 11 月 22 日 上午 11:57 
I put this question to the owner of a studio that I know, I will post his response when I get it.
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