Is a College Degree Worth It?

[𝕁𝕒𝕔𝕜𝕝𝕖]

Is a college degree truly required to have a successful, laid back, high paying life in the modern era?

[Goldias]

That's highly depend on the country and overall quality of the graduates.

In my country bachelor degree is minimal. Lower than that and you are uneducated workforce. No laid back job or career path for you.

But bachelor degree here is like high school elsewhere. It's barely guarantee that the person can read, write, and have basic math skill. You can even buy it if you know where to look.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

not entirely

though showing you have a degree and / or other certificates do help land a better % at getting a job it varies.
employeers also want experience and niche skills.

imo it depends more so on the employeers themselves. But overall most employeers try to screw you over trying to get the most bang for buck. Know limitations and when to bail on a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ job position.

job placements are the one field i do believe governments need to intervene like the IRS and go after everyone's ass since; like the IRS, the job placement's only sole job would be to find you a suitable job


but we live in reality. And jobs are already taken reserved in some way or another. You need to literally interview for like 100+ jobs until you find one. 1000+ for a job you like. and about 10k+ for a job that you like that you can get.

[Pierce Dalton]

Midnight původně napsal:

Is a college degree truly required to have a successful, laid back, high paying life in the modern era?

Definitely not, but it may make things easier.

[ZanyScum]

Midnight původně napsal:

Is a college degree truly required to have a successful, laid back, high paying life in the modern era?

If you want to work for a middle to large corporation: yes.
Some jobs "need" a degree, others will give a lot more money for the same job if you have a degree. The degree is useless per se and you will not learn nothing you can't learn by yourself in 1/10 of that time.
But the corporations are stupid. They just look at the degree. Don't have it? Don't get the job or get less money.

If your goal is to be working for yourself somehow then a degree is worthless.

[Professor]

BlackDragon875 původně napsal:

Professor původně napsal:

For so many people, degrees promise the world & yet for so many that dream remains illusive. Higher education may slightly increase your chances of success, however that elite level of success is not available for everyone, even with degrees.

I suppose the reasons are vast & varied but I always come back to the nature of Capitalism. I often think that it favours the Corporations to have such a large ocean of highly skilled & educated individuals. But on the other hand the vast majority in that ocean will never reach those levels of eliteness. It seems to be designed for the very few as not everybody can be number 1

Yeah, it's telling of the U.S. economy and the capitalistic society we live in today. The issue is housing prices keep going up while working wages remain stagnant. Also, the middle class is shrinking in size.

A very good point & will add that is the divide between what we earn & what we need to survive with moderate comfort. There is always a miss match & its not just housing prices but practically everything like food, health care, education so on & so on.

I guess the right word is that everything is inflationary. The system seemingly controls wages by having such large pools of labour, it also seems that inflation always remains ahead or larger than wage growth. Peoples wages never keep up because Corporations pay on value to their bottom line, rather than cover the basic cost of living.

As for the middle class well I would think they are getting poorer & perhaps shrinking because many are sliding towards poverty, but I also wouldn't discount an even smaller amount of people climbing upwards towards elitism.

[WhiteKnight77]

Professor původně napsal:

For so many people, degrees promise the world & yet for so many that dream remains illusive. Higher education may slightly increase your chances of success, however that elite level of success is not available for everyone, even with degrees.

I suppose the reasons are vast & varied but I always come back to the nature of Capitalism. I often think that it favours the Corporations to have such a large ocean of highly skilled & educated individuals. But on the other hand the vast majority in that ocean will never reach those levels of eliteness. It seems to be designed for the very few as not everybody can be number 1

You pretty much stated what I stated. There once was a time where those who would work in a cube farm didn't need a degree. Then someone got the bright idea (not) that to work in the cube farm, they wanted to have a degree. As more people thought that way, and high school guidance counselors started thinking that way and pushing people to go to college, companies started believing the same. Now there is a glut of college educated students that cannot get jobs in the fields that they want and partly, due to the degrees that they got.

Not every job needs a degree to be able to successfully work in said job. There are also plenty of fields that pay well and one can live comfortably working them and without going into the debt that people go to just to get a degree, and now want others to help pay part of their mistakes.

[Dracoco OwO]

If you think about it being a Doctor can be exhausting still badly it requires lots of studies, i did Law studies, being a Lawyer also isn't necessarily a comfortable job either and that also totally wasn't for me. Lawyer doesn't necessarily pay that good either, working as a Doctor does though.

[Professor]

WhiteKnight77 původně napsal:

Professor původně napsal:

For so many people, degrees promise the world & yet for so many that dream remains illusive. Higher education may slightly increase your chances of success, however that elite level of success is not available for everyone, even with degrees.

I suppose the reasons are vast & varied but I always come back to the nature of Capitalism. I often think that it favours the Corporations to have such a large ocean of highly skilled & educated individuals. But on the other hand the vast majority in that ocean will never reach those levels of eliteness. It seems to be designed for the very few as not everybody can be number 1

You pretty much stated what I stated. There once was a time where those who would work in a cube farm didn't need a degree. Then someone got the bright idea (not) that to work in the cube farm, they wanted to have a degree. As more people thought that way, and high school guidance counselors started thinking that way and pushing people to go to college, companies started believing the same. Now there is a glut of college educated students that cannot get jobs in the fields that they want and partly, due to the degrees that they got.

Not every job needs a degree to be able to successfully work in said job. There are also plenty of fields that pay well and one can live comfortably working them and without going into the debt that people go to just to get a degree, and now want others to help pay part of their mistakes.

LOL yes but that is probably because we see the same thing

[Candyy]

Midnight původně napsal:

Is a college degree truly required to have a successful, laid back, high paying life in the modern era?

If you rly want to sacrifice all your free time... Sure

[Dracoco OwO]

Soniaa původně napsal:

Midnight původně napsal:

Is a college degree truly required to have a successful, laid back, high paying life in the modern era?

If you rly want to sacrifice all your free time... Sure :csd2smile:

She gets it and that isn't even remotely a good thing.

[lightwo]

The stupid piece of paper better be worth it, at this point nothing interests me in college and there is nothing I want to do in life (that would bring me money).

[De Hollandse Ezel]

yes house prices go up 6x faster than wages.
been that way for decades.

wages double about once every 30 years

inflation over 30 years tripples prices

house prices 30 years go by 6.

so say your dad is 50 and started working in 1990 for minimumwage
and he bought a nice terraced house of that..

you would need to earn 6 times as much as your dad did just to buy a similair house.. impossible for even if you go do masterdegree you earn at best about 1.5 times at much.

even time is your enemy :
you are now 18
a : go work, earn 1600/month after taxes minumumwage
-buy a house. say 100k house
or :
go do college get your master degree for 4 years
plus spend another 4 year paying back your loan.
now you can buy a house with your 2900 euro after taxes income
80% higher
but in those 8 years that 100k house has become a 160k house

so just by entering the housing market later due college a sizavle chunk of your advantage has already been evaporated.

what a master degree does offer is : job security.
uneducated minimuk wage workers may not earn that much less.. they are much more likely to get fires and the last ones to get hires.

[Reaper]

If you don't what a degree in a field of study then just go for general education. A college diploma will get you more opportunities then a highschool diploma would.

[Ganger]

Degrees, masters and other qualifications will make looking for work easier*, even if some of the degrees are useless in the long run...

Think like a business owner... if you owned a business, would you employ someone with no education (e.g no qualifications or skills) or someone with basic education and qualifications.

In regards to Gender studies tho, I have been reading stories were employers have thrown applications in the bin if they see 'Gender Studies' as a qualification or people referring to themselves as him/her/their/them. So to all the young folk out there, take this in mind.

[s w e k]

Not always, but on average people with college degrees earn more than those without a college degree. Yes, there are stories of people that dropped out of college and made it big (Steve Jobs is a common example), but they're the exception, not the rule.

https://www.bls.gov/emp/chart-unemployment-earnings-education.htm