What's the difference between Maximum settings and Ultra settings? (PC Games)?

[Weazel49]

The reason why I ask is because I want to prove this guy in an argument that you don't need to set EVERY GAME (including Crysis 3) at maximum settings because I said you can just set the games at Ultra and it would be nearly the same. All it does it set your frame rate down and you can just save yourself extra frames if you dialed it down to Ultra. I mean, that is correct, right? As you can see, the guy I'm arguing with is obbessed with maximum settings. He thinks that anything below maximum settings isn't good enough and I said that's stupid, especially how he only picks on those 2 games (Crysis 3, Metro: Last Light) that you can't run Maximum settings over 60fps, despite the fact that you can just run everything else exceptionally. So, help me win this argument.

[Azza ☠]

Ultra is the same as max, but normally also contains better HD Resolution Textures, which requires a high-end graphics card with larger video memory to be able to handle smoothly (much higher than what the offical recommended system requirements of the game suggests).

In a few games, the Ultra Pack is a separate download such as a DLC, as it's normally extremely large file sizes too. You can see this done with Skyrim and Sleeping Dogs, for example.

Sleeping Dogs - High Resolution Texture Pack:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/202181/

That would make the game into Ultra settings, compared to Max.

Other meanings of the word Ultra, is increased draw distance, anti-aliasing, etc. On top of high settings, which tends to be extremely demanding on even most high-end graphics card.

[Spawn of Totoro]

I've never seen a game having both as an option. It is one or the other.

If taken as only one available per a game, then there would be no difference between the two as they both would push the settings to the highers the game has available.

If both were used in the same game, then there would be a difference between them. As to what that is, it would depend on the game and it's developer. They would also have to decide what one they wanted as the top of their settings.

In a way, it is both true and untrue that they are the same. It is something that you can't give a blanket answer to as it changes from game to game.

[Fork_Q2]

引用自 Azza ☠：

Ultra is the same as max, but normally also contains better HD Resolution Textures, which requires a high-end graphics card with larger video memory to be able to handle smoothly (much higher than what the offical recommended system requirements of the game suggests).

In a few games, the Ultra Pack is a separate download such as a DLC, as it's normally extremely large file sizes too. You can see this done with Skyrim and Sleeping Dogs, for example.

Sleeping Dogs - High Resolution Texture Pack:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/202181/

That would make the game into Ultra settings, compared to Max.

Other meanings of the word Ultra, is increased draw distance, anti-aliasing, etc. On top of high settings, which tends to be extremely demanding on even most high-end graphics card.

None of those games ever use "ultra" meaning greater than "maximum", for obvious reason - it would be literally incorrect.

[Weazel49]

引用自 Fork_Q2：

引用自 The Dark Knight：

Oh you mean this?
[http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Middle-earth-Shadow-Mordor-Performance-Testing/Shadow-Mordor-2560x1440]

Considering that you only labeled ONE game that doesn't follow the criteria while there are tons of games, especially average demanding games that the 980 runs exceptionally, you're quite wrong on your part. It's kind of unfair that you're using only a few games that are extremely demanding over the billions of other games that are average and the 980 runs very well.

I only needed one counterexample to demostrate why the claim is false, I could also have said Watch_Dogs, I don't think even that can play at a stable 60fps on full HD and maxed everything out. Not forgetting that there will be more demanding games in the future (possibly even GTA V, if the rumours are true).

There are also visual mods for Skyrim that would stress even the 980. I get it you're just farming for arguments against your friend in a debate, but if I were you, I'd return to him and admit you're wrong.

So, by using your logic, that one counterexample that you just made overwhelms the hundred of thousands of games that I've listed. That's wrong, even at normal debate standard. I'm sorry, but you are. Considering that you think one example is better than the vast majority of PC games, which is more than 100 obviously (It's an immeasurable variable; stick with me here). You can't possibly just resort to that ONE example over the other examples I have. The games that the GTX 980 runs extremely well:
- Grid Autosport
- Bioshock Infinite
- Far Cry 3
- Battlefield 4
- Metro Last Light
- Total War: Rome 2
- Call of Duty
- Much More (You get the concept)
[http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-980/performance]
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJJ3KlJB5IY]

So, my point is that you only have one counterexample, but only resorting to that one example isn't enough, especially that I have 7 direct examples and tons that are indirectly implied. Also, I must add that using a graphics mod doesn't count because you're not using the actual game by itself. So, you're being unfair to the criteria here.

Also, I see that you haven't even read the entire thread, I'm assuming. Also, no the guy isn't my friend. I take debates seriously and I will stop at nothing to win, despite what it is. So, if I were you, I would go back and read the ENTIRE thread, so you can have a much better understanding of the context of my arguments. You're doing the exact same thing that the guy I'm arguing with is doing. You're resorting to this ONE piece of valid, supportive information and ignoring all of the other examples I've listed that confirms my side of the argument, which is unfair to me that you're doing that because I can list 1,000 examples, but you come out and list this one exception and it's fallacious on its own. But, considering all of that, still, my whole thesis wasn't that the 980 can run EVERY GAME maxed out. I never said that. Again, read the whole thing. If you read the thread, you'll understand what I'm saying. I said that the 980 is overkill for the VAST MAJORITY of games. Sure, I would be wrong if my argument was that the 980 could run EVERY GAME maxed out, but that's not what I said.

[Fork_Q2]

引用自 The Dark Knight：

So, by using your logic, the other hundred of thousand games overwhelm that one counterexample you have.

That's not how deductive reasoning works, a counterexample does not "overwhelm" or cancel another, but it does mean the claim "980 is overkill" is flatout wrong. You're also ignoring the fact mods exist, and many of them ARE taxing on GPUs. And that future games are going to make that GPU it's ♥♥♥♥♥, even after 1080p stops being the norm.

You're right, I didn't bother reading the rest of it, why should I? Your premise is wrong.

[Weazel49]

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

I've never seen a game having both as an option. It is one or the other.

If taken as only one available per a game, then there would be no difference between the two as they both would push the settings to the highers the game has available.

If both were used in the same game, then there would be a difference between them. As to what that is, it would depend on the game and it's developer. They would also have to decide what one they wanted as the top of their settings.

In a way, it is both true and untrue that they are the same. It is something that you can't give a blanket answer to as it changes from game to game.

Oh, okay.

[Weazel49]

引用自 Fork_Q2：

引用自 The Dark Knight：

So, by using your logic, the other hundred of thousand games overwhelm that one counterexample you have.

That's not how deductive reasoning works, a counterexample does not "overwhelm" or cancel another, but it does mean the claim "980 is overkill" is flatout wrong. You're also ignoring the fact mods exist, and many of them ARE taxing on GPUs. And that future games are going to make that GPU it's ♥♥♥♥♥, even after 1080p stops being the norm.

You're right, I didn't bother reading the rest of it, why should I? Your premise is wrong.

Because you've failed to understand the context of my arguments. It's like trying to analyze a book that you haven't even read. If you would just read the thing, you would understand. My arguments slightly change and goes more in depth in each reply. You're just making fallacious assumptions.

[Weazel49]

引用自 Fork_Q2：

引用自 The Dark Knight：

So, by using your logic, the other hundred of thousand games overwhelm that one counterexample you have.

That's not how deductive reasoning works, a counterexample does not "overwhelm" or cancel another, but it does mean the claim "980 is overkill" is flatout wrong. You're also ignoring the fact mods exist, and many of them ARE taxing on GPUs. And that future games are going to make that GPU it's ♥♥♥♥♥, even after 1080p stops being the norm.

You're right, I didn't bother reading the rest of it, why should I? Your premise is wrong.

Okay, maybe it depends on what kind of mod it is. If it's just a mod so it can just make the game look like a present day game, then okay. But, if it's just a mod that will insanely increase the graphical power to unrealistic standards, then that's kind of like cheating. I guess you mean graphics packs because I've seen Skyrim used for benchmarks and I see the phrase "w/ Texture/Graphics packs." Do you mean that? If yes, then that's okay.

Anyway, back to you thinking that my claim is wrong. My claim isn't wrong because you haven't understood the context. The context is the "VAST MAJORITY", not EVERY GAME. See, you would have understood that if you read it. Also, the "future games will make the GPU its *****" argument is invalid becaue you have no idea if that statement is true or not. Also, the GPU is can run Metro Last Light reasonably maxed out, as I've shown in my YouTube link.

[Fork_Q2]

引用自 The Dark Knight：

引用自 Fork_Q2：

That's not how deductive reasoning works, a counterexample does not "overwhelm" or cancel another, but it does mean the claim "980 is overkill" is flatout wrong. You're also ignoring the fact mods exist, and many of them ARE taxing on GPUs. And that future games are going to make that GPU it's ♥♥♥♥♥, even after 1080p stops being the norm.

You're right, I didn't bother reading the rest of it, why should I? Your premise is wrong.

Because you've failed to understand the context of my arguments. It's like trying to analyze a book that you haven't even read. If you would just read the thing, you would understand. My arguments slightly change and goes more in depth in each reply. You're just making fallacious assumptions.

Your simple claim about "overkill" is wrong; I don't care about the rest that follows, because if it followed right from that premise, the rest of the post is almost certainly just as bad. I'm sure someone else thought the GTX 580 was "overkill" for 1080p too, back in 2010.

[gleofrocga]

You should just surrender. There are some games that even a 690, or Titan may struggle with at 1920x1080p.

[Weazel49]

引用自 Fork_Q2：

引用自 The Dark Knight：

Because you've failed to understand the context of my arguments. It's like trying to analyze a book that you haven't even read. If you would just read the thing, you would understand. My arguments slightly change and goes more in depth in each reply. You're just making fallacious assumptions.

Your simple claim about "overkill" is wrong; I don't care about the rest that follows, because if it followed right from that premise, the rest of the post is almost certainly just as bad. I'm sure someone else thought the GTX 580 was "overkill" for 1080p too, back in 2010.

See, now you're just being biased because you're just ignoring everything I'm saying just because you "don't care." I don't care if you don't care. If you refuse to comply with the cooperation and just ignore everything I'm telling you REPEATEDLY, then I don't have to waste my time with you. Goodbye.

[Fork_Q2]

引用自 The Dark Knight：

引用自 Fork_Q2：

Your simple claim about "overkill" is wrong; I don't care about the rest that follows, because if it followed right from that premise, the rest of the post is almost certainly just as bad. I'm sure someone else thought the GTX 580 was "overkill" for 1080p too, back in 2010.

See, now you're just being biased because you're just ignoring everything I'm saying just because you "don't care." I don't care if you don't care. If you refuse to comply with the cooperation and just ignore everything I'm telling you, then I don't have to waste my time with you. Goodbye.

There are games even the 980 would struggle with at 1080p, stop pretending they do not exist.

[Weazel49]

引用自 Fork_Q2：

引用自 The Dark Knight：

See, now you're just being biased because you're just ignoring everything I'm saying just because you "don't care." I don't care if you don't care. If you refuse to comply with the cooperation and just ignore everything I'm telling you, then I don't have to waste my time with you. Goodbye.

There are games even the 980 would struggle with at 1080p, stop pretending they do not exist.

You didn't even listen to a single word I told you.

[Fork_Q2]

引用自 The Dark Knight：

引用自 Fork_Q2：

There are games even the 980 would struggle with at 1080p, stop pretending they do not exist.

You didn't even listen to a single word I told you.

Of course I didn't - you're not communicating by speech.

[Weazel49]

引用自 Keyes：

You should just surrender. There are some games that even a 690, or Titan may struggle with at 1920x1080p.

You're not listening either. I said the 'VAST MAJORITY". I'll say that again, the VAST MAJORITY OF GAMES. NOT ALL. NOT 100% OF THE GAMES THAT'S FOR THE PC. The VAST MAJORITY. That means a lot over 50%, in case you don't know what that means.