I think Kickstarter is a much better way than early accsess

[christian.hintzsche]

what i want to say is you get more money with kickstarter then you get with early accsess. So you can develope a game in a more reasonable time. And when you see oh we dont get enough money to buy 100 developers then better leave it.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

I like kickstarter because you can scam people out of their money quicker than with early access. In early access you have to actually make "something" before you scam people out of their money... But with kickstarter you can scam them out of their money without ever actually releasing anything.

[sick duck]

yes kickstarter has risks, and people can screw you over but I wouldn't say you should never back one ever. By that logic you might as well live your whole life alone and friendless, just because there is a chance that they might try to ♥♥♥♥ you some day. So that's why you have to read the proposed project, read about the people responsible, and verify the validity to the best of your ability. I feel quite assured backing a game if I know the company has made things before, and so I usually just support developers who have reputation for finishing what they start.

[WhiteKnight77]

Escrito originalmente por christian.hintzsche:

what i want to say is you get more money with kickstarter then you get with early accsess. So you can develope a game in a more reasonable time. And when you see oh we dont get enough money to buy 100 developers then better leave it.

What do you consider a reasonable amount of time?

[zfan121]

Escrito originalmente por WhiteKnight77:

Escrito originalmente por christian.hintzsche:

what i want to say is you get more money with kickstarter then you get with early accsess. So you can develope a game in a more reasonable time. And when you see oh we dont get enough money to buy 100 developers then better leave it.

What do you consider a reasonable amount of time?

I think they mean gathering resources.
If you can't make them yourself you need $$ to pay people to make them.
Kickstarters can get you a lot of money really fast when you know what you're doing.

That being said, you need to have at least SOMETHING to show what you're working on.
People aren't going to support a Kickstarter unless you've got the balls to back up what you're promoting.

[WhiteKnight77]

Escrito originalmente por zfan121:

Escrito originalmente por WhiteKnight77:

What do you consider a reasonable amount of time?

I think they mean gathering resources.
If you can't make them yourself you need $$ to pay people to make them.
Kickstarters can get you a lot of money really fast when you know what you're doing.

That being said, you need to have at least SOMETHING to show what you're working on.
People aren't going to support a Kickstarter unless you've got the balls to back up what you're promoting.

I have seen games with nothing but a promise get funding through a Kickstarter campaign and games with playable content get nothing the same way.

[CJHRRIHRH]

I prefer kickstarter. Early Access doesn't need to exist when you can have demos and open betas.

[zfan121]

Well it depends on the execution to be entirely honest, but either way, I would rather have at least something to show for it. Something to let people know I'm serious about the project?

At the very least, a trailer about the game showing some gameplay and a bit of the story.

[jpcerutti]

Is no rule you cannot do both. If you are looking to make a game and want to raise as much capital in the development phase as possible you should do both.

Kickstarter you can start even earlier than EA, since all you need is a concept, and can set game copies or development setpoints as rewards.

EA is a pool of beta testers who will pay to play, mostly report the bugs, and give you constructive feedback for development. Even the jerks there have value - they paid for the game if they show a little mouse and if enough people are crabbing about the same thing you probably want to take a look at it.

[Tux]

Escrito originalmente por christian.hintzsche:

what i want to say is you get more money with kickstarter then you get with early accsess. So you can develope a game in a more reasonable time. And when you see oh we dont get enough money to buy 100 developers then better leave it.

I could not disagree more

donating to Kickstarter based on a screenshot and a game description
vs
donating and getting a game I can play.

no contest.

[Ishan451]

So we have an argument for Kickstarter, where people literally take money for nothing and then run with it.

And we have Early Access, where people cobble together some badly broken program and then run away with the money.

Sounds like they are equal in their scam potential. I think i stick with the tried and true of buying released games after i read reviews about them. Neither method guarantees you to get a good product. Early Access at least gives you something. Kickstarter gives you nothing.

Then again, lots of people like gambling. Early Access and Kickstarter are both gambling.

Neither service is good for us customers.

[Tux]

Escrito originalmente por Ishan451:

So we have an argument for Kickstarter, where people literally take money for nothing and then run with it.

And we have Early Access, where people cobble together some badly broken program and then run away with the money.

Sounds like they are equal in their scam potential. I think i stick with the tried and true of buying released games after i read reviews about them. Neither method guarantees you to get a good product. Early Access at least gives you something. Kickstarter gives you nothing.

Then again, lots of people like gambling. Early Access and Kickstarter are both gambling.

Neither service is good for us customers.

yeah but I like playing
Kerbal Space Program
Space Engineers
7 Days to Die
Rising World
From the Depths
Kensih

[SimicEngineer]

The way most developers use them, they're basically just preorders, but with the illusion of "community participation". If a publisher funds the game, they get a share of the revenue. If the players fund the game, they usually get... a copy of the game. Not exactly revolutionary.

[Ishan451]

Escrito originalmente por Tux:

yeah but I like playing
Kerbal Space Program
Space Engineers
7 Days to Die
Rising World
From the Depths
Kensih

And you would like them just the same if you waited to buy them when they release. Except then you would have a complete game and wouldn't buy a cat in a bag, hoping they never add something you don't like.

It's not like i didn't buy into Early Access, but i can say for sure that i prefer released games, and i see no reason to spoil myself on a game i like, in its unfinished state.

[Tux]

Escrito originalmente por Ishan451:

Escrito originalmente por Tux:

yeah but I like playing
Kerbal Space Program
Space Engineers
7 Days to Die
Rising World
From the Depths
Kensih

And you would like them just the same if you waited to buy them when they release. Except then you would have a complete game and wouldn't buy a cat in a bag, hoping they never add something you don't like.

It's not like i didn't buy into Early Access, but i can say for sure that i prefer released games, and i see no reason to spoil myself on a game i like, in its unfinished state.

with all due respect thinking that those games would have ever been released without Early Access is being flat out delusional.

and speaking for myself I have been very disapointed in the 'released market' for several years now

[supertrooper225]

They are both tools that can be used to help developers make good games...or crappy games. Of course, games are better in their fully finished state. But I can't say Early Access or Kickstarter is bad when it allowed games like Grim Dawn or Pillars of Eternity to exist.