AK47 vs SKS

[chewbachman]

I own a bulgarian AK74 and a yugoslavian SKS with grenade launcher and bayonet (launcher is decorative, don't freak out). I have owned both for a while and I must say I am confused as to why the Russians replaced the SKS with the AK series. The SKS only came out two years earlier and turns out to be more controllable, accurate, comfortable, and just plain balanced. The system is more reliable than the AK's and is heavily based on the PTRS-41 anti-tank rifle. Heck, the chinese pretty much skipped the AK series and opted to modify their SKSs to take AK mags with selectable fire. I think it was a pretty dumb move to replace a good rifle with one that doesn't measure up to its predecessor in more ways than it excels. What do you guys think?

Note: No political Pro or Anti gun BS here please!

[chewbachman]

A prohibitively expensive licence that lets you get prohibitively expensive guns. Thats a game for the rich right there. Probably have the FBI breathing down your neck for the rest of your life too. "shudder"

[chewbachman]

Цитата допису Rattlesnake:

Цитата допису chewbachman:

A prohibitively expensive licence that lets you get prohibitively expensive guns. Thats a game for the rich right there. Probably have the FBI breathing down your neck for the rest of your life too. "shudder"

Are you talking about canada? Cause that don't happen here.

A full auto licence in the states requires 300 dollars to register each gun and a pre 86 auto when they were still imported runs for around $10,000. Semi- Auto is easy though.

[chewbachman]

Цитата допису Rattlesnake:

Цитата допису chewbachman:

A full auto licence in the states requires 300 dollars to register each gun and a pre 86 auto when they were still imported runs for around $10,000. Semi- Auto is easy though.

I was actually talking about the FBI part.

Ah

[Xyrith]

Like others have said I think it goes to how many one can produce. the more guns the better right?

[Dat Gumby]

I own an SKS and AK 74 and I perfer my AK to sks for one reason....magazine. The sks 30 round magazine is just a pain to reload in a pinch while the ak is simple. I agree though that the sks is an under rated piece of equipment

[chewbachman]

Цитата допису nolubeforyou:

I own an SKS and AK 74 and I perfer my AK to sks for one reason....magazine. The sks 30 round magazine is just a pain to reload in a pinch while the ak is simple. I agree though that the sks is an under rated piece of equipment

Yeah, apparently the Tapco magazines can be quite a handful. For some reason it is difficult to get an AK type release and magazine put in the SKS that wasn't originally a Chinese Paratrooper. For fun though, I actually prefer the original 10 round magazine and stripper clips. Very comfortable to shoulder and position without the magazine getting in the way of the rest or sand bags.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

I love the Norinco Chinese SKS rifles that take the AK mags. They are amazingly accurate, well built, and have tons of customization options. The AK is pretty much those same things save for the accuracy part, I have yet to shoot a stock AK that is as accurate as a nasty, rusty, cosmoline soaked, dirty, sks.

Now with the dumb gun bans from russia all those cheap under $300 SKS surplus rifles are going for $1000 or more in some places, same thing with the AKs. Though recently a company is starting up in the USA to make 100% US made Ak 47 and 74s, they bought some of the old russian machinery and shipped it over here, though they will likely charge quite a "premium" for them.

I've always been a fan of the 7.62x39 round over the 5.56 .223 round. AR-15s are great in their own respects, but just not on par with the battle rifle design and chambered caliber of the SKS and AK or even the Ruger Mini-30 rifles.

[Satsujinki]

I'm not kind of gun collector, but is it really legit to own their weapons?

[p-man]

AK-47 and SKS are both ancient pieces of junk and they shouldn't deserve to be here anymore end of story that's it and they lived badly ever after.

Now trade them in for good-guy guns. (If you don't know what good-guy guns are then I'm out. M8)

Also is unsubscribe. I know some guy is going to cause an argument and since we all know that AK47 and the SKS are rusty and ancient it's not worth arguing.

[devious goon]

Цитата допису Mr_Magnum16 MM16KAS:

AK-47 and SKS are both ancient pieces of junk and they shouldn't deserve to be here anymore end of story that's it and they lived badly ever after.

Now trade them in for good-guy guns. (If you don't know what good-guy guns are then I'm out. M8)

Also is unsubscribe. I know some guy is going to cause an argument and since we all know that AK47 and the SKS are rusty and ancient it's not worth arguing.

A textbook example of an internet troll that seeks attention.

[C4Warr10r]

Wait, is it an AK47 or an AK74? Huge difference. The AK74 is a superior weapon for something made of stamped sheet-fail in what Easter europe liberally refers to as armament factories. The nation of origin is important, and the former Soviet satellites are widely acknowledged as being some of the worst arms manufacturers on the planet with the possible exception of some African nations.

The AK-47, as Magnum points out, is a piece of junk. I don't care what Samuel L. Jackson says about them or what people with no combat experience or who often cannot even name another assault weapon think of the 47, it is worthless. Its only saving grace, sheer numbers, is not even inherent to the weapon.

Believe me, we tried using these things to train the Afghan and Iraqi armies. They are terrible soldiers most of the time, but even that did not account for the hideous performance of the AK-47. You may have seen pictures of IA and the like using matte-black AK-47s; those are the ones we had to get specially manufactured just to get the weapon to conform to its own blueprints. They aren't bad, but they were never great. Unless you plan on making sure your AK47 is tooled so that the damned barrel fits properly, the sights are straight, the action isn't gummed-up somewhere by assymetrically-machined parts, and the barrel's rifling is correct, I'd go with the SKS. SUre, you don't have to clean the AK so much, but I feel like I need to wash my hands after using it.

The SKS, in its many variants, is at least a more versatile weapon, largely becuase parts are more readily available to people who live in nations with utilities that are existent or don't shut off regularly. I'd say the same for its reliability as I would for the AK-47, though. Yes, it will shoot most of the time, but will it hit anything? Again, it depends on the individual weapon, given the nation of manufacture. I don't know where this assumption that it is more reliable than the AK comes from, though. If anything, the SKS is more prone to jamming because it is machined to tighter (though still unacceptable) tolerances. Being based on the PTRS isn't exactly a credit to its design, either, unless you're using Call of Duty as a reference.

Ultimately, I'd choose the SKS, again for no other reason than the parts available. You can even fix the sights to where you can get a proper BZO like a real gun has, but I guess either is fine if you don't know or care what a BZO is.

That's this Marine's opinion, for what it's worth.

[chewbachman]

I own an AK74, but yes I put the name AK47 in the title as it is the poster boy of the AK series. I would not call it a huge difference as the 74 is nigh identical to the 47 both visually and under the hood, other than being chambered in 5.45x39 of course. Same advantages and disadvantages for the most part. As for reliability though, I would say my AK has misfed 4 or 5 times in the years I have had it and have seen it happen in the hands of others as well (the rare thing mind you). An SKS though I dont recall ever jamming whether in my ownership or in anyone elses I know for that matter.

As for being based on the PTRS. The PTRS came out in 41 and simonov had years to improve on the design. The fact that the design was originally built to throw down antitank rounds is quite an interesting piece of trivia.

[chewbachman]

Цитата допису Cam's Medulla Oblongata:

The OPs post is not illegal because it is fantasy. A delusional one at that. People who really own that hardware legitimately are prone to actual gun forums and are not apt to impressing 12 year old children on Steam. Get a life,man.

Hmm... A troll. Well have you considered the possibility that I enjoy my firearms and yet identify more with the crowd on steam and not the people who traditionally populate gun forums? Not to mention we are in the off topic discussion forum so I would suggest you get off your soap box and get a life of your own instead of trolling others.

Edit: As for owning something like that legitimately in the states, being sane and having a job to pay for your hobby are all that is required to have all "that hardware".

[76561198178936573]

akms all the way chiraq wouldnt be the same with out them plus sks is way to outdated an jams like a mother ♥♥♥♥♥♥ probably more accurate then aks but only holds 10 in clip shots same round as a non modded aks akms hold more rounds just ay more rellible can shot under water. like without this war machine there would be less problems in the world yes lol but who cares STACK OR STRAVE realshit owner of a type 56 pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ close jus cheaper verson and chinas verson. but i couldnt live at my home without it

[chewbachman]

Swiss Armory. Built my favorite bolt action rifle, a straight pull bolt system known as the K31. A collectors item and unique among bolt rifles. An improvement on the Shmidt- Ruben K11. Enough gun speak for ya?

Edit: Not to mention, I am not boasting of my gun collection. I may or may not have more than these two rifles and have not boasted about such, yet I see a disparity in performance and quality that has left me curious. One is viewed as iconic and one is nigh forgotten. We are gamers here and we love things that go boom, that should be enough reason. Once again, this is 'OFF TOPIC'. Get it through that thick skull of yours.