Reasons why Batman V Superman MIGHT Fail?

[Weazel49]

Don't get wrong, I want this movie to be great, but I don't think it will be just after what's going on.

1. It's a Superman Vs. Batman film - Sure, this may sound like a great idea, but if you think this way, you're kind of forgetting about the fact that going this route would piss off a bunch of people. In a film like this, there are going to be 2 communities watching this movie: the Batman fans and the Superman fans. Since this is a Superman vs Batman movie, the movie is going to cater to one specific fanbase. In a movie like this, it's going to either go down in 3 ways: A) Superman is going to beat Batman up, which caters to the Superman fans and angers the Batman fans, B) Batman is going to beat up Superman, which caters to the Batman fans and really angers the Superman fans, or C) They're not going to fight at all, which doesn't cater to anyone and both fanbases will be pretty pissed off. Plus, since these two fanbases are constantly fighting each other on the internet about which superhero is better, I don't think it's a good idea to add flame to the fire.

2. The casting - What I find worse is their casting decisions. Henry Cavill was an okay Superman. He's good and I don't have any complaints about him. I was kind of nitpicky about Ben Affleck being Batman. Even though, I am getting used to the idea, I still question this cast choice. I literally fell on the floor laughing my *donkey* off when I heard Gal Gadot was playing Wonder Woman with her skinny self. I just saw the Wonder Woman picture and it looks alright. She needs to buff up a little bit.

3. Zack Synder being the director - I literally lost hope for the movie when I figured out that Zack Synder, the director of 300 is directing Batman v Superman. Just no. Zack Synder is not a fit director for a movie at this level. Zack Synder keeps putting dark themes in his works and it doesn't fit in the Superman/Batman atmosphere, maybe for Batman, but it doesn't work, and that's why Man of Steel wasn't all that great. It's because of his stupid dark themes. Superman is supposed to be charismatic and the Superman atmosphere is supposed to be colorful, not dark and gritty. Maybe, Synder can improve, but I just don't see that happening.

Are you guys excited for this movie? What are your expectations? My expectations are super-low.

[_5h4ft_]

I think this movie has potential. Aside from the problem with casting Affleck. He ruined Daredevil. Can't wait to watch him ham up another super hero movie...

[Ishan451]

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Are you guys excited for this movie? What are your expectations? My expectations are super-low.

My expectation is this to suck, just like the Superman movie. There will be some fight scenes to impress the kids and the drunk fratboys, probably an 'epic' fight in which Batman for some strange reason manages to go toe to toe with Superman without getting his head ripped clean off. And besides that, the movie will be some hot mess. There is now talk of somehow also cramming the Flash into this movie... I honestly can't see where this is going and the trailer makes it seem very much like this is going to be an "Injustice" Storyline. If that is for marketing purposes or the real deal... i just don't see how they'll cram all of that in one movie.

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I am really great fan of Marvel .. But i thingk DC fans get their faces slaped. Look at Avengers trailers and how COOL they are.

It feels like Marvel did spoiler their entire Avengers movie with trailers right now, so i am not so sure if that is someone to point to. And while i am a Marvel Fan, i really don't get why this is some sort of competition. I want a good Superman movie, and it is not like Marvel can do no wrong. Ironman 2 and 3... for example. They are horrible.

The irony is that DC, unlike Marvel, is still making animated movies that are actually good. Marvel is doing this crap amalgam of CGI and drawn graphics... ugly to watch, being dated on the technology before its even coming out, while DC does great animated movies. The latest Batman Vs Robin while certainly not their best, was still a very enjoyable watch to me.

But then i am looking at their live action stuff and its the other way around. Marvel being all confident in the writing and trusting their property and DC fumbling about.

I still don't see Batfleck working in the role of Bruce. All i saw in that opening trailer was Affleck looking out of place. I don't know what expression he was going for and what was that situation supposed to be like, but if that was his brooding face, then this movie is seriously in trouble. A close op of Affleck looking bored wasn't the best calling card.

And then i am hearing this whole "yeah its the suit from Dark Knight returns!" ... I just makes me sad. The Dark Knight Returns is an amazing Alternate History type of Story, in which Superman is completely twisted out of character to fit the narrative. And even in that storyline it requires Superman to hold back, because he doesn't want to hurt Bruce, the involvement of the Green Arrow and even with that... they only go to a stalemate with Superman letting Bruce win. And that the fight wasn't even that good. Superman going like "Bruce, you can't harm me, let's talk" and the Bat being all wailing his arms at Superman trying to find a way to harm him.

If i remember correctly Superman even ate an Atomic Bomb before that fight. There is even a mainstream comic in which Batman openly admits that he could never defeat Superman.

But for some reason all the fake Batman Fans, the people that don't care enough to actually know the source material and just run their mouths, are going like Batman could actually lay down some wooping on Superman. The really sad thing is... i expect that this is what we are going to see.

Its going to be as silly as the first Superman movie with Jesus Imagery and all that crap... and the military being all stupid... "Let's shoot that thing, we just saw eating a freaking anti tank missile, with our handguns! That will show them!" ... or pulling a knife on a superpowered being... as if that gesture was anything but pathetic. Except this time the guy with the knife is actually expected to win.

I find the absence of a villain in the trailer to be disturbing.


TL;DR

The newest trailer, if anything, showed that they are cramming to much into this movie and that my worst fears for it is going to be confirmed. Its going to be the same dumb action flick the first Superman movie was. With the kids screaming how cool the CGI looked and me shaking my head about how sad an representation of everything in that Universe and of these characters it is. With lots of facepalm movies and heavy handed imagery.... and plotholes... lords there will be plotholes up the whazoo again.

[supertrooper225]

Why are people always hunting for fails these days? Pessimism is annoying. Anyway...so what if it might fail? If it fails...oh well. There will be another movie down the road. If it is great....cool. There will be another movie down the road.

[Skeleton Minion]

This ♥♥♥♥ all over again.

[_5h4ft_]

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Why are people always hunting for fails these days? Pessimism is annoying. Anyway...so what if it might fail? If it fails...oh well. There will be another movie down the road. If it is great....cool. There will be another movie down the road.

Right there with you on that. I often find myself having higher views of movies than friends as i walk in expecting nothing, I don't nit-pick plots and search for flaws. I rate movies as a stand alone experience, if I am entertained even mildly, I am happy. That being said, I do find that Hollywood tends to dumb everything down to cater to the lowest common denominator, and thusly treats a large percentage of its audience as morons. Most people are smart enough to see that they are getting the "look at the pretty effects and shut up", *pat on the head* treatment, and this tends to breed a culture of pissed off movie goers that cant see the entertainment for the moving pictures.

Though I do find it funny that the same people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about movies that aren't out yet, are the same ones who will be first in line to see it though.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

I'm still a fan of the Tim Burton Batman movies with Keaton as Batman, and the Animated series with Kevin Conroy doing Batman's voice.

Personally I hope Batman wins because superman is kind of dumb and has never been that relatable having next to no flaws or any real humanity.

[CJHRRIHRH]

I'm more hyped than I am for the avengers. The next avengers looks exactly the same as the last one, bar hulk/hulkbuster fight. At least Bats vs supes looks like it's about something, what it means to be a superhero, or rather, superhuman, in a world which isn't really ready for it. And the fallout from Zod's dubstep machine destroying metropolis, with some idolizing supes, some blaming him, and others fearful of what he means for the world.

[highfivingbears]

Either one of them could easily win. Batman,in the batcave,have a vault full of Kryptonite,while superman,is invulnerable to everything BUT Krypto.

[76561198224408456]

cartoon?

[僕の名前 (仮)]

Why would it make fans anger if their hero lose? Humans are smarter than this.

[_5h4ft_]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez SomeGuy:

Why would it make fans anger if their hero lose? Humans are smarter than this.

say that to the idiots who riot in thier own city...when thier team wins.

A person can be smart. People are stupid as a rule. Any groups level of intelligence is always less than half the sum of all the parts.