Manufacturing has never left the US

[Amuro0079]

I keep hearing people saying the US does not produce anything anymore or the US has deindustrialized. That is not true at all. The US is still number 2 in terms of global production output and the US does not need low cost, labor intensive manufacturing as that is not the comparative advantage that the US has. So what does "bring manufacturing back to America" even mean?

China – 31.6% Global Manufacturing Output
United States – 15.9% Global Manufacturing Output
Japan – 6.5% Global Manufacturing Output
Germany – 4.8% Global Manufacturing Output
India – 2.9% Global Manufacturing Output
South Korea – 2.7% Global Manufacturing Output
Russia – 1.8% Global Manufacturing Output
Italy – 1.8% Global Manufacturing Output
Mexico – 1.7% Global Manufacturing Output
France – 1.6% Global Manufacturing Output

https://www.safeguardglobal.com/resources/top-10-manufacturing-countries-in-the-world/

[Shade]

China is our number one threat, and relying and buying things from them create a reliance to them, If sht ever hit the fan between the 2 countries and it became a war of attrition the one with more localized production most likely will win.

[sfnhltb]

It is just a throwaway line that the party in question "supports" the dying towns that used to have small factories in them that are too small to support modern industrial sites.

They won't do anything to fix it, because it is basically an unfixable problem - companies are not going to put down new factories where there is a small population that will be hard to recruit enough workers from, especially with the automation of modern factories most of the positions are management/supervisory rather than large amounts of semiskilled workers, so the factories will be built near sizable population centres.

Probably the best such communities can hope for is a longer term switch to WFH as normal, which would make all places equally able to have decent jobs available because everywhere would be an even footing.

[steven1mac]

Try comparing it by decade, then look at the downward trend it is going.

[maquina]

You're right, Big Mac manufacturing never left the US. Nobody makes 'em like they do back at home. America's still #1, baby!

[☎need4naiim☎]

That 31.5% can easily define the result of a World War.

That's why Donald The Schrödinger Trump started to act unlike ANY other President.

I can elaborate what i am saying but i don't have the keys to open that box where "two different realities are true at the same time".

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

I just bought some things from Japan.

[Shade]

Originally posted by ☎need4naiim☎:

That 31.5% can easily define the result of a World War.

That's why Donald The Schrödinger Trump started to act unlike ANY other President.

I can elaborate what i am saying but i don't have the keys to open that box where "two different realities are true at the same time".

You don't know what you are saying please explain it to me without a link or a news posts, explain it to me in your own words.

[Amuro0079]

Originally posted by steven1mac:

Try comparing it by decade, then look at the downward trend it is going.

According to stats from this video, from 1960 to 1989 France was the manufacturing powerhouse. The US was not in the top 20 (I think it might have something to do with the Dollar being the reserve currency which allows the US to buy stuff from other countries cheaply) until 1996 where it suddenly took number one spot (might have something to do with the internet boom) and held on to it till 2009. The output of US continued to grow steadily (only exception was during the pandemic) after being overtaken by China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It9nqIImpb8

[salva早晨享用的咖啡]

usa retain advanced manufacturing capability but limited. but mass production for commodity left to other country. which is trouble because usa become dependent. biggest example is semiconductor

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

The oil fields of Los Angeles, California.

[Raz]

Manufacturing output on what exactly? All the consumer goods are made in China. Everything in everyone's house says "Made in China." China might as well just put their flag in everyone's living room at this point. The only industries the US employs are military, aerospace, and technology, all of which get outsourced and sold to other countries to destroy each other, but is never anything that ends up in our hands. So the goods that actually matter, the goods that hire the most people to manufacture them, are made in another country entirely. The industries I listed only hire a small fraction of the population. The industries that would keep our population working are currently keeping the Chinese people employed.

[Amuro0079]

Originally posted by STICK COLLECTING NIGHTMARE RAZ:

Manufacturing output on what exactly? All the consumer goods are made in China. Everything in everyone's house says "Made in China." China might as well just put their flag in everyone's living room at this point. The only industries the US employs are military, aerospace, and technology, all of which get outsourced and sold to other countries to destroy each other, but is never anything that ends up in our hands. So the goods that actually matter, the goods that hire the most people to manufacture them, are made in another country entirely. The industries I listed only hire a small fraction of the population. The industries that would keep our population working are currently keeping the Chinese people employed.

That is just the way a country develops. The US has made the transitions from agricultural based to industrial then to high tech. As a country country becomes more developed, laws and regulations are getting stricter and labor cost increases, and as a result labor intensive manufacturing are exported to other countries while you concentrate on capital intensive, high value added manufacturing where less low skilled labors are needed and more automation. Consumer goods fall in the low value added, labor intensive category. The US cannot produce these goods cost efficiently compared to low cost countries. If you try to bring these productions back to the US, these products would become many more times more expensive and you can also forget about exporting them.

Also worth mentioning is that China is currently climbing the value ladder to high tech, high value added manufacturing while low cost productions are either being moved inland to less developed parts of the country or exported to other lower cost countries. A lot of developing countries cannot successfully transition to high tech and fall into the middle income trap but China is different because it is currently an innovation powerhouse with a huge talent pool.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

High-tech is not self-sustainable.

[Amuro0079]

Originally posted by salva早晨享用的咖啡:

usa retain advanced manufacturing capability but limited. but mass production for commodity left to other country. which is trouble because usa become dependent. biggest example is semiconductor

Energy cost is too high in the US and also water cost. Chips made in the US are going to be 30-50% more expensive compared to making them in Taiwan for example.

[Amuro0079]

Originally posted by Phénomènes Mystiques:

High-tech is not self-sustainable. :badluck:

It is if your country's currency is the reserve currency. You can just buy from other countries the things that you don't make for cheap.