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Controlled opposition comes to mind, honestly. I only say that because of the proles vehement reaction to such protestors.
For example; holding up large amounts of traffic will result in a lot of needless idling, and other vehicles will have to join for the sake of disturbing the peace to try resolving the matter - usually slowly - instead of outright removing the problem. That contributes to more of what they are complaining of.
Ruining monuments, art or attempting to deface, damage or destroy things, will only create hatred. Not to mention gluing oneself to the street resulting in chunks needing to be removed, and ultimately repaved is yet more artificial increasing of oil needing to be used on vehicles to move repair equipment & resources for needless damages.
We're just not at a point of the next massive technological leap. If people really cared, they could also contribute to trying to remove loads of vehicles from the street, then increase low power desktop/laptops for remote work which works well for those that have installed solar.
Unlike such groups, I try not to needlessly drive around, nor overly use the AC, and have a solar-only grid that I'm expanding. The main issue as it always will be, is inefficient cities as the main usage of most types of fuel. Poor city planning & improvement always gives bad results. As does over-development, things people should be more educated about instead of angering everyone & contributing to more resource usage.
You're conflating a few things there.
While it is true there were scams going on as I said or misdirection, in that this was a ll a means to absolve big business, carbon credits and the like were not set up to absolve China in any way.
That's a separate issue - China or rather the CCP, has always been dirty in every possible way to every other country on earth. From stealing every bit of IP they can, or renegeing on agreements (belt and road initiative) or fleecing goodwill by getting the west to pay for their postage (such as the US), up to pollution.
So while you're not wrong in the evidence part of it, your causal link is wrong.
I hate to break it to you, but there are a number of western leaders whose pockets are lined in red and yellow.
That doesn't change what I said does it?
I never said they weren't doing that - I said your claim was wrong in how it works.
When I was little they said we were gonna die in an ice age. Now the propaganda is we’re gonna burn up. Now in the summer they go “it’s hot we’re dying”. Yea no ♥♥♥♥, it’s summer, always been hot in summer idiot!!
THat's utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. No what is actually correct is media don't like reporting on the same stuff. It's why if you get say a long legal battle, you often don't find out how it ends, asit doesn't sell papers. So reporting "hey climate change is still getting worse" doesn't work does it?
But the reality is it IS getting worse, and the whole of the scientific concensus reports on this regularly. Surely you can't have missed how we're currently in a global record breaking heatwave?
And no it was never reported that timescale as you said. Only certain dishonest politicians claimed that.
It's not false. Some of us have been around long enough to remember the several times throughout our lives where we've heard the same nonsense, and the countless times where they got caught intentionally faking data to spread that same nonsense. No reasonable person would pay attention to all the claims and data they've promoted, got exposed for doing so in bad faith, and still take their word at face value. This is why younger people believe that stuff more than older. At some point, they're going to realize it's all BS too.
And enough of this "the whole scientific consensus" crap. There never has been, no such a thing has ever existed, nor will ever exist on any matter, let alone this one. That's one more lie that has been debunked.
Then by all means demonstrate better empirical evidence than those scientists keep demonstrating.
Not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from politicians.
So You think all the science is just fake, and manipulates numbers to aid some - what exactly? And don´t You think there would be some scientists who would say that they´re forced to publish fake numbers instead of doing that job they studied in university, because they´re simply interested in it?
"Green" and the alarmism behind it is a multi trillion dollar industry. Do you think it's ever been about anything more than money? Oil companies get to sell you half the oil at twice the price now, do you think this hurts them? Do you think there's no financial incentive for the per-gallon price of their product to go up? Do you think the people pushing unworkable "renewable" solutions like wind, which still need diesel fuel to keep them from icing up, aren't making profits hand over fist on every government grant they receive?
You people have this odd and unexplainable, and rather naive assumption that everything some corporation says is for the environment, has an inherently benevolent and altruistic motive behind it. I hate to break it to you, but it doesn't. They're every bit as "for profit" as the worst offenders in the corporate sphere. They're not saving anybody, or anything but their own vacation homes, and you're carrying their water because they tell you it's for the environment, when actual data shows that no, it isn't. The materials that go into renewable are at least as toxic and polluting as anything they replace.
You've been scammed. And that's why the so-called "scientists" who get promoted front and center by the sponsored media CONSTANTLY get caught faking the evidence they provide. Do you think it was an accident they were placing thermometers on tarmacs? Do you seriously think they didn't know what they were doing? But yet, you still defend them, blindly, to the end, because they (lying of course) tell you it's for the greater good.
Even DOZENS of NASA scientists called out their own organization for being politicized, were those scientists lying?
And of all the people who live this nightmare, cuz that’s what it is. A nightmare they choose to live, none of them riding a horse and buggy. They still buy the latest phones (which don’t exist without petroleum). None of them do anything. They just want others to join they fear based mind control. Nah I’m good dood.
That´s why i asked where the difference is, and what the goal should be, if in the end nothing changes - as it would only be a shift who gets the money spent, which is in both cases not me, and probably not You either.
I personally just think that using less resources can only be better for the environment. And burning something can´t be good either, if there´s something renewable, because that´s more sustainable, as at some point there is nothing left to burn - whenever that will be.
Not just the airport tarmac incident catching them in the act of faking the data. Also "Climategate" where scientists got caught not once, but several times passing emails around venting their frustration that they couldn't find any actual evidence to support their claims, so decided to fake it. Dozens of NASA scientists calling out their politically appointed higher-ups of politicizing the agency, specifically in their dishonest statements about CO2. We have clear ice core samples that show temperatures have risen BEFORE CO2 levels have risen, but that's being scrubbed from publications.
Now we even have television stations shifting the color of their maps towards more red colors to make temps look hotter on the news. The hockey stick graph was incorrect. Temperature records conveniently only being at 1979. Current temperatures are never compared to previous hot cycles. Nobody has explained Mars or the moon's temperatures shifting along side ours and in the same direciton.
There's nothing about any of this that has ever been honest, even going back to the 70's it's all been so dishonest. But the most astonishing part of it all to me that people actually act surprised when someone else doesn't blindly believe their latest, most bombastic claims today.
Including the son of our glorious President...
But more to the point... there's more money in pretending they'er "going green" then in actually "going green"... and it's that money that's keeping any real progress in "going green" to succeed because it's going to the wrong people for the wrong reasons...
https://youtu.be/Mzzz5DdzyWY