RPG vs JRPG meaning

[Vynira Snowy]

So when I think of a JRPGs they usually have the following mechanics:

-Turn based battling
-Leveling up
-Battles aren't in the overworld (need help describing this)
-Characters have different classes
-Usually has a loop of Kill enemies-->get stronger-->buy better equipment-->kill stronger enemies

So then what defines an RPG (examples usually being Skyrim, Fallout etc)?

And don't say "it stands for Role Playing Game and you play a role."

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Publicado originalmente por Touching Hair:

JRPG is an RPG with a Japanese theme. So typically childish, anime-like aesthetics, a linear storyline...

The mechanics themselves matter little.

Oh, if we're getting unti negative stereotypes of JRPGs vs. WRPGs, there's also WRPG being brown D&D implementations or gritty grey post-apocalyptic settings, with too many customization choices and stats up the wazoo. :p

[Chris]

Those aren't negative steriotypes. Settle down now.

[Vynira Snowy]

Publicado originalmente por Slurms McKenzie:

RPG: Role-Playing-Game
JRPG: Japanese Role-Playing-Game or Japan Role-Playing-Game.

Trust me I live in japan.

I'm not asking what they stand for I'm asking the difference between them.

[bermuda]

Publicado originalmente por Perquisitore:

Publicado originalmente por kdodds:

Uh, yeah. If you lived through the terms origins, understood why the term was created, and were able to see the distinct differences in game design and gameplay, you might understand that the term is not defined by its literal meaning.

Nice write-up, dogui0777, BTW.

And still, it's inaccurate.
So... if Final Fantasy games are JRPG... what about Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII? Are you telling me everyone of them is japanese except... this one?

JRPG means that it's an rpg origininating from japan. Simple. That is the main difference, if you want to get technical, you have to divide rpg and jrpg's into subgroups, which, in turn, is really hard.

[Vynira Snowy]

Publicado originalmente por Slurms McKenzie:

Publicado originalmente por Perquisitore:

And still, it's inaccurate.
So... if Final Fantasy games are JRPG... what about Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII? Are you telling me everyone of them is japanese except... this one?

JRPG means that it's an rpg origininating from japan. Simple. That is the main difference, if you want to get technical, you have to divide rpg and jrpg's into subgroups, which, in turn, is really hard.

JRPG doesn't mean it's from Japan (eg Stick of Truth isn't Japanese). JRPG (for me at least) is what I listed above.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

The same term can mean different things to different people, for what it's worth.

[supertrooper225]

Publicado originalmente por Mint-Berry Crunch:

Publicado originalmente por Slurms McKenzie:

JRPG means that it's an rpg origininating from japan. Simple. That is the main difference, if you want to get technical, you have to divide rpg and jrpg's into subgroups, which, in turn, is really hard.

JRPG doesn't mean it's from Japan (eg Stick of Truth isn't Japanese). JRPG (for me at least) is what I listed above.

Stick of Truth isn't a JRPG. And guess what? Stick of Truth is mainly based on the design of games like Paper Mario...which IS a JRPG. JRPG is a Japanese Role Playing game. That is a fact. Everything else means you have to get down into sub-genres.

[bermuda]

Publicado originalmente por Mint-Berry Crunch:

Publicado originalmente por Slurms McKenzie:

JRPG means that it's an rpg origininating from japan. Simple. That is the main difference, if you want to get technical, you have to divide rpg and jrpg's into subgroups, which, in turn, is really hard.

JRPG doesn't mean it's from Japan (eg Stick of Truth isn't Japanese). JRPG (for me at least) is what I listed above.

When the term was created it did mean it was from japan, now they just use it as a term for games like the original jrpg's.

[♠ZerØ♠]

How I always classify RPGs

Western RPG Examples : Skyrim, Fallout, Mass Effect. KOTOR, Dragon Age Series, Baulders Gate,

RPG games featuring a more active control and combat mechanics, with succese depending on a combination of skill and stat/level manipulation. Far more active than a traditional RPG. Typically very open ended, as Western folk like options. Grinding isn't necessary, although usually done for fun or loot. Replayability is typically high for games like this due to the fact their large, open worlds and variable way of playing often dramatically effect story and plot development.



Traditional RPG Examples : The Final Fantasy series, Phantasy Star Series, Tales Series, Suikoden series, Wild Arms Series

Standard RPG fair. Feature turn based or "Active time battle" systems. Typically based around leveling up to boost stats, equipping gear to boost stats, with a very minimum of customization in characters, usually. The game exists to guide you down a path, and tell you linear story, and typically rewards complete map exploration with characters, bit of story, or gear. Grinding typically isn't necessary except for a few optional side tasks, or mini games. Replayability is typically low outside of extreme fan, as the games are very linear, and rarely offer any suprises on a later play throuhg.



JRPG Examples :Resonance of Fate, Star Ocean Series, Disgaea series, Dragon Warrior series, Shin Megami Tensei series (Including Persona games), Lost Odyssey.

Often share similar gameplay features to traditional RPGs, with leveling, gear, and fairly linear story progression. The differ on the fact that a JRPG's combat is typically more complicated that what one would find in a traditional rpg. Featuring combo moves, linked attacks, environmental effects, time attacks, variable damage types, and a host of other concers for a player to educate themselves on. Jrpg character builds also tend to veriey wildly, ofter featuring learnable skills, variable talen builds, and different ways of leveling stats. Another mainstay of Jrpgs is they typically feature large sections of the game the average player never encounters unless they master all the games many features due to the insanely difficult challenges provided by this content. Jrpgs also typically feature irriversable changes, usually pertaining to optional character gain/loss. Grinding isn't just a part of the game, it is a requirement for getting the most out of a JRPG. Replayability is usually extremely high for fans, to get different character and build they missed on a previous play through.


Yep. That's that.

[Insanity Claus]

JRPGs are, really, just a term to define the massive influx of Japanese-developed RPGs during the late 80's and 90's, most notably by Square Soft and Enix, who were separate companies at the time. A lot of the RPGs being developed in Japan at the time all relied on very similar tropes in their storytelling, featured very similar if not exactly similar game mechanics, and often had very similar visual presentations. (typically chibi art styles)

IMO, the term means a lot less today, as we have had RPGs from Japan that have deviated from this mold for quite some time. King's Field, made by From Software (a Japanese developer; made Dark Souls), is about as anti-JRPG as you can get and that was a PS1-era game. However, there are still plenty of games being made to this day that would fit in rather nicely with those older JRPGs. Agarest: Generations of War (2007) reminds me a lot of Tactics: Ogre (1995), stylistically.

I view the usage of "JRPG" like that of "3rd world." Most people use it incorrectly or think it means more than it does, and it's largely antiquated terminology. (3rd world is a Cold War term to refer to nations that were not part of NATO (1st world) and not part of the growing Communist Bloc (2nd world); 3rd world nations were mostly in Africa and the Middle East)

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[kdodds]

Publicado originalmente por BS LeavingLasVegas:

JRPGs are, really, just a term to define the massive influx of Japanese-developed RPGs during the late 80's and 90's, most notably by Square Soft and Enix, who were separate companies at the time. A lot of the RPGs being developed in Japan at the time all relied on very similar tropes in their storytelling, featured very similar if not exactly similar game mechanics, and often had very similar visual presentations. (typically chibi art styles)

IMO, the term means a lot less today, as we have had RPGs from Japan that have deviated from this mold for quite some time. King's Field, made by From Software (a Japanese developer; made Dark Souls), is about as anti-JRPG as you can get and that was a PS1-era game. However, there are still plenty of games being made to this day that would fit in rather nicely with those older JRPGs. Agarest: Generations of War (2007) reminds me a lot of Tactics: Ogre (1995), stylistically.

I view the usage of "JRPG" like that of "3rd world." Most people use it incorrectly or think it means more than it does, and it's largely antiquated terminology. (3rd world is a Cold War term to refer to nations that were not part of NATO (1st world) and not part of the growing Communist Bloc (2nd world); 3rd world nations were mostly in Africa and the Middle East)

Actually the term predates this, by at least a decade, and predates the Nintendo consoles (even the Famicom). Mostly it was a means to diffferentiate games billed as "roleplaying games" coming out of Japan from the games we (western RPG enthusiasts) were accustomed to both as PnP RPGs and CRPGs. "Purists" originally meant it as a derogatory term, I guess, and some purists to this day probably still do. The terms could easily be split into Eastern RPG and Western RPG and still mean the same thing. JRPG is just a label used to define the game in question's "subgenre" so the gamer/user knows better what to expect in terms of gameplay, story, and so on.

[JacobBean]

IMO, JRPG is more influenced by Japan's cultural traits, such as relationship building and heavy direction toward an end goal. Less exploration and more pre-defined story. I don't consider the OP's list as JRPG because it would cover things like Final Fantasy and Suikoden, which I don't feel has the traits I associate with JRPG. JRPG to me is like Persona 4 which I could not finish because I disliked the game forcing me to develop relationships when I just wanted to grind so I could actually feel comfortable in the battles (as a casual gamer I like not being stressed out)

[mellow]

ya like jrpg is like, you play as a person and like pokemon combat, but rpg is you play as who you want