The trolly problem, pull or no pull

[dallas]

If you dont pull, the cart will hit 5 people
If you pull it, it will hit 2 people and you get 5 mil $
do u pull or no pull

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Originally posted by WarHeRo:

Originally posted by SnakeFist:

Step in front of it so i save everyone and be held as a hero.

then the causality will be 6. i dun think it would make a hero of u

Yes it will cause hitting me will slow it down enough not to hit 5 people. So yes i would be a hero unlike you.

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Originally posted by Chaosolous:

Originally posted by SnakeFist:

Step in front of it so i save everyone and be held as a hero.

"Aww man, did you guys see how that one fella stood on the tracks intentionally and got splattered right before the 2000 metric-ton train ran over those other people?"

"Yeah, what a hero."

A trolly is a shopping cart. Not a train. And since the op said trolly one would mean a shopping cart.

[Ɛ: ʎɥɔʇɐԀ]

My solution:
First train arrives, do not pull the lever, let 5 people die
Second one arrives, pull lever and get money
It's a win win situation for me

[TGC> The Games Collector]

I still opt for multitrack drifting.

[WarHeRo]

Originally posted by SnakeFist:

Originally posted by WarHeRo:

then the causality will be 6. i dun think it would make a hero of u

Yes it will cause hitting me will slow it down enough not to hit 5 people. So yes i would be a hero unlike you.

why r u so aggressive? if u r upset cuz of the joke earlier, I urge u to relax and not take things too seriously here. and no, u wont slow it down at all; that sounds delusional. dying for a cause is easy; anyone can do it. what takes real strength is to live for a cause. I never cared to be a hero. u r free to call me a villain cuz someones hero is anothers villain. the brighter the light, the taller the shadows it casts around him.

gl with ur son too

Originally posted by TGC> The Games Collector:

I still opt for multitrack drifting.

lmao, good humor as usual

[Chaosolous]

Originally posted by SnakeFist:

Originally posted by Chaosolous:

"Aww man, did you guys see how that one fella stood on the tracks intentionally and got splattered right before the 2000 metric-ton train ran over those other people?"

"Yeah, what a hero."

A trolly is a shopping cart. Not a train. And since the op said trolly one would mean a shopping cart.

Well, I mean, he said trolley problem, which refers to the one with the train.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

That's neat that a trolly means shopping cart though. I didn't know that.

[WarHeRo]

The term "trolly" originates from the UK and is synonymous with "trolley." both words share the same meaning, but "trolly" has fallen out of use. today, both the UK and the US use "trolley." in this context, it refers to a tram

[Kamiyama]

So I would sometimes post at the trolley problem subreddit, and the mods there deleted this scenario:

A trolley is approaching a track with a loop. 100 people are tied down onto the track, and they will continuously reincarnate back onto the track as the trolley runs them over, keeping them trapped in a never-ending trolley hell.

Or you can pull this lever, and send the trolley down an infinite track with an infinite number of people on it who will only die once, and then be free of the trolley forever.

What do you do?

Myself: I pull the lever. Better to inflict some temporary pain on some of the people on that infinite track, rather than keep 100 people trapped in never-ending hell. After all, the trolley will never reach the end of the infinite track. It would take an infinite amount of time, more than enough time for the people on that track to come up with some kind of a solution. (like getting off the track)

Yup. Mods deleted it. It was the taboo trolley problem. Too deep for all of the nonsense scenarios they leave up on that sub.

[WarHeRo]

Originally posted by Kamiyama:

So I would sometimes post at the trolley problem subreddit, and the mods there deleted this scenario:

A trolley is approaching a track with a loop. 100 people are tied down onto the track, and they will continuously reincarnate back onto the track as the trolley runs them over, keeping them trapped in a never-ending trolley hell.

Or you can pull this lever, and send the trolley down an infinite track with an infinite number of people on it who will only die once, and then be free of the trolley forever.

What do you do?

Myself: I pull the lever. Better to inflict some temporary pain on some of the people on that infinite track, rather than keep 100 people trapped in never-ending hell. After all, the trolley will never reach the end of the infinite track. It would take an infinite amount of time, more than enough time for the people on that track to come up with some kind of a solution. (like getting off the track)

Yup. Mods deleted it. It was the taboo trolley problem. Too deep for all of the nonsense scenarios they leave up on that sub.

infinite ppl means everyone including u will die

[Kamiyama]

Originally posted by WarHeRo:

Originally posted by Kamiyama:

So I would sometimes post at the trolley problem subreddit, and the mods there deleted this scenario:

A trolley is approaching a track with a loop. 100 people are tied down onto the track, and they will continuously reincarnate back onto the track as the trolley runs them over, keeping them trapped in a never-ending trolley hell.

Or you can pull this lever, and send the trolley down an infinite track with an infinite number of people on it who will only die once, and then be free of the trolley forever.

What do you do?

Myself: I pull the lever. Better to inflict some temporary pain on some of the people on that infinite track, rather than keep 100 people trapped in never-ending hell. After all, the trolley will never reach the end of the infinite track. It would take an infinite amount of time, more than enough time for the people on that track to come up with some kind of a solution. (like getting off the track)

Yup. Mods deleted it. It was the taboo trolley problem. Too deep for all of the nonsense scenarios they leave up on that sub.

infinite ppl means everyone including u will die

*looks around, seeing a mortal world filled with mortal creatures*

Well... yes.

[WarHeRo]

Originally posted by Kamiyama:

Originally posted by WarHeRo:

infinite ppl means everyone including u will die

*looks around, seeing a mortal world filled with mortal creatures*

Well... yes.

so u would have everyone die to save the 100 ppl, which will die too?

[Xero_Daxter]

Interesting topic. Me personally I don’t wanna be directly responsible for someone else’s death.

The trolley problem is fundamentally based on the question whether the life of the five people are worth more than the life of the single person.

Let’s take a different spin on the same problem - the transplant doctor. The doctor has five sick patients that would all be cured with an organ transplant - can he murder one healthy person in order to save the five? Most people would argue no, he can't, but it is the exact same moral situation as the Trolley Problem: kill one to save five. If you agree that the doctor should not kill the patient, then you have found a situation where Option A being the right moral answer.

[Kamiyama]

Originally posted by WarHeRo:

Originally posted by Kamiyama:

*looks around, seeing a mortal world filled with mortal creatures*

Well... yes.

so u would have everyone die to save the 100 ppl, which will die too?

How do you pick between one lifetime of pain felt by an infinite number of people versus an infinite amount of pain felt by a limited number of people?

What is the worth of an immortal soul? I consider it priceless.

Better to save those 100 souls from infinite pain by inflicting a limited amount of pain on everyone.

[causality]

I join the people stuck and laugh at our impending demise together. Together, into eternal darkness.

[the vampire of time and memory]

Originally posted by Logan:

....eeeeeh? I don't understand this problem. I can choose between 5 deaths or 2 deaths and ton of cash? How is that a choice

it's a choice between actively killing people and causing a larger net negative by abstaining, the money tests the flexibility of your choice

I wouldn't pull it