🌠Deusgo 2024 年 10 月 29 日 上午 4:35
Is communism good on paper?
Clearly it don’t work in humans, the person at the top tends to be a ♥♥♥♥ bag, but with another civilisation, that of robots per say, without greed or the need to hate see it fruitful?
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talemore 2024 年 10 月 30 日 上午 5:52 
The government has two tasks to create an army and to ensure security to the people.

This security is as well a place to work as the worker is considered unable to produce anything of a value.

Majority of jobs don't produce anything of a value.

Majority of work tasks are on a broad scale of things worse alternatives.

As example is paper-bags can be made out hemp for a lot lower cost with higher quality.

For this reason, communism has as well been described as failed capitalism since the state need a strategy to survive who doesn't rely on random events.

For that reason we can't see that we live inside a communism.

2022 covid pandemic -> 2023 covid gone; hello?

The reason is that the state owns the hospitals but people are too healthy to justify keep them running. But if we shut down all hospitals we don't have any doctors. There's a huge industry on creating useless jobs in the hospital sector.

The state rehire the nurses who quit working in a 3rd party company and seen as a bribe.

We have a choice to shut down the fire department since there are no dumpster fires who keep on burning.

But if we have no fire department when the day come it's for the best of the economy to let the nature to take care of the buildings who are on fire by the human factor?

Those woods didn't start to burn on their own. Neither did the houses. Human error is spared by the communist helping the human from an error. The most in need of help are helped since they are in need of help compared to a capitalistic view the broken and bleeding should die first since they're not paying.
Cinnamoon_dragon 2024 年 10 月 30 日 上午 11:21 
I would argue that honest and kind people never get to the top regardless of the form of political governance. Would humanity be happier if it were controlled by AI? Absolutely not, because machines are not capable of understanding the concept of good and evil in general, only pretending to understand human morality and emotions. The machine will simply act in such a way as to be as efficient as possible regardless of the ethical side of the issue. For example, to solve the problem of global warming, a machine might decide that it is easier to reduce the number of humans on the planet.
Dialectical Femboism 2024 年 10 月 30 日 上午 11:52 
引用自 Static-ghost
I would argue that honest and kind people never get to the top regardless of the form of political governance. Would humanity be happier if it were controlled by AI? Absolutely not, because machines are not capable of understanding the concept of good and evil in general, only pretending to understand human morality and emotions. The machine will simply act in such a way as to be as efficient as possible regardless of the ethical side of the issue. For example, to solve the problem of global warming, a machine might decide that it is easier to reduce the number of humans on the planet.

You could argue that Thomas Sankara was a an excellent example of a benevolent dictator. Leader of the tiny African coutnry, Burkina Faso. Unfortunately he was assassinated in a military coup by a traitor who was basically the living stereotype of a corrupt president. Thomas himself though did a lot to reform his country and eliminate the need for foreign aid. He had a lot of policies that were determined to make his country self-sufficient. Many of his policies focused on preventing famine, agrarian reforms, land reforms, literacy campaigns and support for vaccination (for stuff like polio, measles and yellow fever). His government also went out of its way to forbid female gential mutiliation and forced marriages. If you know anything about west Africa, this would be considered extremely revolutionary. He also made a point to appoint many women to cabinet positions where they otherwise would have been forbidden on the basis of culture. He also praised things like contraception and removed any restrictive access to it.

Was it perfect? Absolutely not. But he was making very real and positive changes in a very volatile environment. It's just a shame that he was assassinated. Also, he certainly wasn't making any friends with colonial powers and French leaders in particular hated him. Which of course, might have had something to do with him being assassinated.

Very fascinating guy though.
Q-T_3.14.exe 2024 年 10 月 30 日 上午 11:54 
In theory: Probably.
In practice: This is something else.
Othobrithol 2024 年 10 月 30 日 下午 12:10 
I don't care how well thought out a system is, as soon as you let actual people use it every exploit will be discovered, concealed, abused and ultimately rationalized as fair. It is just as true of human politics as it of the latest PvP arena.

As for benevolent dictators, they are far far far outnumbered by malevolent ones. Power corrupts. A single will should never control the fate of the many.
ナルゴ 2024 年 10 月 30 日 下午 12:24 
It's bad on paper too
Dialectical Femboism 2024 年 10 月 30 日 下午 12:24 
引用自 Othobrithol
I don't care how well thought out a system is, as soon as you let actual people use it every exploit will be discovered, concealed, abused and ultimately rationalized as fair. It is just as true of human politics as it of the latest PvP arena.

As for benevolent dictators, they are far far far outnumbered by malevolent ones. Power corrupts. A single will should never control the fate of the many.

Unfortunately that is an age old argument. Is it better to have a benevolent dictator or a corrupt democracy? Often times a benevolent dictator can bring about more positive change for the average person and do so rapidly, but there is the risk that their successor won't do the same, but still hold all the power that comes with being a dictator. On the other hand, corrupt democracies tend to leads toward stagnation as the people suffer under oligarchy. But on the other hand, there are often more opportunities to remove such leaders, but it comes increasingly more difficult overtime.

I think systems like market socialism and liberatarian socialism are the answer to these pitfals. At least with market socialism, you can avoid some of the failures that have accompanied command economies. In the framework of libertarian socialism, power is not centralized in a single body, so you avoid the issues that come with authoritarianism as power is vested in a decentralized county system under a united front.
Othobrithol 2024 年 10 月 30 日 下午 12:47 
When it comes to the wielding of power I prefer it to be necessary to buy or convince the many rather than just the one. You can do more with five minutes in the King's ear than you can ever accomplish in open debate. Inertia in governance has benefit, providing more gradual and, hopefully, consensual evolution rather than disruptive pendulums of revolution and counter-revolution.

I pretty much reject all forms of libertarianism. I understand the virtues, but I think it is extremely naive of human nature. On par with the elimination of motivation under pure communism, the idea that some central authority does not need to exist is doomed to failure.

As soon as one social element can convince another to join up at the expense of the rest, the very type of coercion that was being avoiding is directly caused. Far better for there to be a central will, but that will arise from the agreement of the whole in accordance with a social contract rather than collusion of the few to subvert it.
brain stew 2024 年 10 月 30 日 下午 12:58 
Communists have paper?
Q-T_3.14.exe 2024 年 10 月 30 日 下午 2:27 
Communists have paper?
They share one single roll of toilet paper. It's communal.
Sir Dookface McFerretballs 2024 年 10 月 30 日 下午 2:48 
Of course communism is good on paper... because that is all anyone will be able to eat.

Delicious paper!

The only time it could EVER work is in an imaginary "post-scarcity" Star Trek-like world where everything is made with molecular replicators.

:MMForFun:
isomorphic_projection 2024 年 10 月 30 日 下午 3:10 
Only when i am in charge.
Dutchgamer1982 2024 年 10 月 30 日 下午 3:22 
Of course communism is good on paper... because that is all anyone will be able to eat.

Delicious paper!

The only time it could EVER work is in an imaginary "post-scarcity" Star Trek-like world where everything is made with molecular replicators.

:MMForFun:

even in star trek they resort to giving peoplr energy credits aka a limit on how much they can replicate.. basicly a basic income but still currency..
and items like handmade items, naturally grown ingredients, homecooked meals.. archelogical finds.. antique chateaus in france still very much are pricatly owned and while not sold for cash.. they are very much used to barter favors.

acces to transporters and interplabetary travel is also quite limited.. if you dont have friends in high places your stuck to much slower ways of travel..

so basicly yeah in startrek you get your flat.. but it wont be in the location where you want.. you get as much replicated food and clothing as you can use.. but not acces to real nice hoising and real food.. or land to grow it on.. you also most likelu wont have acces to holodecks and fast teams..

even apolying for the star trek acedemy.. needs the support of an excisting officer..

the currency in the federation is "favors"
最後修改者:Dutchgamer1982; 2024 年 10 月 30 日 下午 3:26
R-S!N 2024 年 10 月 30 日 下午 3:22 
say bye bye to your freedoms :TheFall: 🚽
luciferous 2024 年 10 月 30 日 下午 3:23 
引用自 sleeps
plus, greed still exists under communism. kim jong un is fat while other north koreans live in poor environment. idk what's the talking point of conflating capitalism with greed. where did that come from? i thought the talking point of communism is about exploitation of the workers, not greed.
North Korea isn't communist, though. It'd be more akin to jushe totalitarianism. Communist would be a country like Cuba or Vietnam.
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