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Linux windows hybrid
Do you think at some point we will se a windows/linux hybrid where you can use windows and linux programs on one os?Where you have the freedom of a linux os and the simplicity of windows?Would be cool
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hCerisu ❤ 13/fev./2022 às 7:07 
WINE for Linux essentially does what you describe, letting you run Windows programs on Linux, but it's not perfect. Steam has its own fork of WINE called Proton for playing Windows-only games.
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WINE for Linux essentially does what you describe, letting you run Windows programs on Linux, but it's not perfect. Steam has its own fork of WINE called Proton for playing Windows-only games.
So can you use the ms store and windows store games with wine?At least something is in the works
gugnihr 13/fev./2022 às 7:14 
You can already use Windows programs on Linux.

The thing that I don't like about modern computers and devices is how much they rely on updates and internet connection.
I would like to have a computer that just works and do what you expect it to do, and it is FINISHED, COMPLETELY FINISHED before you buy it and there will NEVER be anything new you must install after that.
Nobody makes computers like that anymore, Windows is not like that and Linux is not like that either, but this is what I would want.
There are things I like about internet but there are other things that I don't like about it and I ABSOLUTELY HATE the feeling that I need it, that I must use it.
A&A 13/fev./2022 às 7:16 
As l know for Windows you can install WSL and then your OS will become something like an hybrid
Última edição por A&A; 13/fev./2022 às 7:19
hCerisu ❤ 13/fev./2022 às 7:16 
Escrito originalmente por Mr Jt:
Escrito originalmente por Nabikunyoi:
WINE for Linux essentially does what you describe, letting you run Windows programs on Linux, but it's not perfect. Steam has its own fork of WINE called Proton for playing Windows-only games.
So can you use the ms store and windows store games with wine?At least something is in the works
No, you actually need Windows for those. If you want to run Linux applications on Windows, there's always WSL, (Windows Subsystem for Linux) which is basically a Linux environment that runs on top of your Windows installation.
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Escrito originalmente por Mr Jt:
So can you use the ms store and windows store games with wine?At least something is in the works
No, you actually need Windows for those. If you want to run Linux applications on Windows, there's always WSL, (Windows Subsystem for Linux) which is basically a Linux environment that runs on top of your Windows installation.
So for now nothing exists.Would be nice if there would be a os like that in the future
hCerisu ❤ 13/fev./2022 às 7:23 
Escrito originalmente por gugnihr:
You can already use Windows programs on Linux.

The thing that I don't like about modern computers and devices is how much they rely on updates and internet connection.
I would like to have a computer that just works and do what you expect it to do, and it is FINISHED, COMPLETELY FINISHED before you buy it and there will NEVER be anything new you must install after that.
Nobody makes computers like that anymore, Windows is not like that and Linux is not like that either, but this is what I would want.
There are things I like about internet but there are other things that I don't like about it and I ABSOLUTELY HATE the feeling that I need it, that I must use it.
The problem with this is that updates are sometimes necessary to fix vulnerabilities and serious bugs that the developers weren't aware of upon the product's release. It's a necessary evil, but one that helps keep your computer more stable and secure.
Samwise 13/fev./2022 às 7:25 
Escrito originalmente por gugnihr:
You can already use Windows programs on Linux.

The thing that I don't like about modern computers and devices is how much they rely on updates and internet connection.
I would like to have a computer that just works and do what you expect it to do, and it is FINISHED, COMPLETELY FINISHED before you buy it and there will NEVER be anything new you must install after that.
Nobody makes computers like that anymore, Windows is not like that and Linux is not like that either, but this is what I would want.
There are things I like about internet but there are other things that I don't like about it and I ABSOLUTELY HATE the feeling that I need it, that I must use it.

Wont happen for games. Idk if a game exists that never required patches or new gpu drivers.
Escrito originalmente por Mr Jt:
Escrito originalmente por Nabikunyoi:
No, you actually need Windows for those. If you want to run Linux applications on Windows, there's always WSL, (Windows Subsystem for Linux) which is basically a Linux environment that runs on top of your Windows installation.
So for now nothing exists.Would be nice if there would be a os like that in the future

The reason you aren't going to get an official non-Windows OS with the MS Store is Microsoft. This is not restricted by lack of development, but rather by Microsoft's corporate policies and business strategy.
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Escrito originalmente por Mr Jt:
So for now nothing exists.Would be nice if there would be a os like that in the future

The reason you aren't going to get an official non-Windows OS with the MS Store is Microsoft. This is not restricted by lack of development, but rather by Microsoft's corporate policies and business strategy.
If more people switch to linux in the future im sure it will be wise to allow it.People would buy their games like they did with windows
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Escrito originalmente por OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle:

The reason you aren't going to get an official non-Windows OS with the MS Store is Microsoft. This is not restricted by lack of development, but rather by Microsoft's corporate policies and business strategy.
If more people switch to linux in the future im sure it will be wise to allow it.People would buy their games like they did with windows

Oh I agree with that, a policy shift would see it become possible.

Especially with the debacle that is Win11 and the massive awareness of Proton that is being generated by the Steam Deck, Microsoft should be reevaluating.

It would absolutely be a good decision for MS to reverse course on their current thinking and officially support more hybridization.

However, based on their track record, I quite frankly expect the opposite.
Última edição por OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle; 13/fev./2022 às 7:39
Masque 13/fev./2022 às 7:50 
OP wants Linux, but only need a 6-foot stack of books, instead of a 12-foot stack of books.

Heh. :steamhappy: Compromise!
Última edição por Masque; 13/fev./2022 às 7:51
hCerisu ❤ 13/fev./2022 às 7:57 
Escrito originalmente por OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle:
Escrito originalmente por Mr Jt:
If more people switch to linux in the future im sure it will be wise to allow it.People would buy their games like they did with windows

Oh I agree with that, a policy shift would see it become possible.

Especially with the debacle that is Win11 and the massive awareness of Proton that is being generated by the Steam Deck, Microsoft should be reevaluating.

It would absolutely be a good decision for MS to reverse course on their current thinking and officially support more hybridization.

However, based on their track record, I quite frankly expect the opposite.
MS is fairly good at listening to what users want sometimes, but usually only if it affects their profits. Look at the changes they made in Windows 8.1/10 after Windows 8 ended up being a flop, for instance. I don't think there's enough of a demand right now for Windows Store apps on Linux for such a change to be feasible any time in the future, though.
lightwo 13/fev./2022 às 8:07 
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OP wants Linux, but only need a 6-foot stack of books, instead of a 12-foot stack of books.

Heh. :steamhappy: Compromise!
Trust me, whether you consider written reference as books, or refer to actual books, you do not need nearly as much to begin using it as a secondary operating system, perhaps primary. Funnily enough, you get a lot of (generally) easily readable documentation within the system itself in the form of manual pages.

In terms of the topic itself, don't focus on UWP too much. Even Microsoft has transitioned to supporting distribution via Steam. UWP support may be implemented in Wine in the distant future, but don't count on it.
Última edição por lightwo; 13/fev./2022 às 8:07
Devsman 13/fev./2022 às 8:09 
So running programs is possible more often than you would think

But a hybrid OS is not really doable without some major changes within the same brand.

In the early days of electronic computing, computers were enormous, and expensive. A university might have one, and it was probably in its own building, or at least occupied a large room by itself. And even though they were slow by modern standards, they were still much faster than a human.

So they came up with what was called time sharing, a system by which there were multiple simpler terminals that could be used to submit a "batch job" to the computer while everyone else was trying to think of what they wanted to do next. These were generally short programs that terminated when they came to an end, much like modern OS shell commands.

Eventually, computers got smaller and cheaper, and also gained more use and more kinds of software, and it kind of became clear that users might want to perform more complicated tasks, or do multiple things at once. But there was a problem: a computer can't actually do multiple things at once.

The modern operating system was the solution. They took the concept of time sharing and scaled it down for a single user. A program, its data and a new concept called its state were treated as a unit, called a process, and a user's processes were all handled by a lower-level program called the operating system. The idea being, when a process needs to wait for I/O, or has been running too long, or etc, the OS swaps it out and works on a different process.

For example, supposing you can type 60 WPM, that's about 200ms between keystrokes, which might sound fast to you, but is an eternity for a computer. So it will actually work on something else in between your keystrokes.

We think of an OS as the means by which a user interacts with the computer, but fundamentally, an OS manages process switching. There are plenty of OS's that are designed to be run with no direct user interaction at all, though unless you're an engineer, you probably won't use one.

And the rules by which Windows and Linux do this are different.
Última edição por Devsman; 13/fev./2022 às 8:10
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