7 million prime age men not in the labor force in the U.S.

[Chocobo & Moogle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDokADZfvwc&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diM0ROfBpT0&t=188s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEC2Nq7Z6lc&t=342s

Men ages 25-54 have created a hole in the economy. This suggests the American economy isn't as strong as Joe Biden claims it to be. Less young people are purchasing houses and having families.

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

U.S. is in late-stage capitalism

[abcd]

2009 problem.

[Poyzo]

They're leveling up in their favorite video game.

[Professor]

I'm not sure the experts have it right, as I think these days most peoples experience with employment is negative. What about extremely bad employers, who show no respect & total disregard for their employees, under pay & treat them poorly.

The other issue could be that many can see the up hill battle they face with low wages, poor working conditions & part time hours not covering a simple standard of living. Another thing is that many may need to have multiple job & work 100 hours a week only to just meet expenses.

Of course the only advice capitalism offers is to work harder, keep educating yourself & continue the grind to increase your chances of success & that is still a big maybe. Not everyone is equipped to reach a comfortable level of wage return as their is very limited room at the top.

Employees over 50 are in sight of retirement & i'm sure many have established themselves well & are able to cut back on hours. They should supposedly be well on the way to achieving a moderately comfortable retirement.

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

Originally posted by Professor:

I'm not sure the experts have it right, as I think these days most peoples experience with employment is negative. What about extremely bad employers, who show no respect & total disregard for their employees, under pay & treat them poorly.

The other issue could be that many can see the up hill battle they face with low wages, poor working conditions & part time hours not covering a simple standard of living. Another thing is that many may need to have multiple job & work 100 hours a week only to just meet expenses.

Of course the only advice capitalism offers is to work harder, keep educating yourself & continue the grind to increase your chances of success & that is still a big maybe. Not everyone is equipped to reach a comfortable level of wage return as their is very limited room at the top.

Yeah, men put up with these conditions and they're not paid as well as in the past.

[Professor]

Originally posted by Lord Vader:

Originally posted by Professor:

I'm not sure the experts have it right, as I think these days most peoples experience with employment is negative. What about extremely bad employers, who show no respect & total disregard for their employees, under pay & treat them poorly.

The other issue could be that many can see the up hill battle they face with low wages, poor working conditions & part time hours not covering a simple standard of living. Another thing is that many may need to have multiple job & work 100 hours a week only to just meet expenses.

Of course the only advice capitalism offers is to work harder, keep educating yourself & continue the grind to increase your chances of success & that is still a big maybe. Not everyone is equipped to reach a comfortable level of wage return as their is very limited room at the top.

Yeah, men put up with these conditions and they're not paid as well as in the past.

That's why I think the experts are either wrong or not wanting to admit some of the more negative reasons why many people are disillusioned by employment. I don't think it is only men though, as women could have it just as hard.

As for late stage capitalism, yes I would agree that it could also be the tightening felt by employers as resources & outdated methods of production become obsolete. It is why the WEF talk about a new industrial revolution that will supposedly save their arses.

The reliance on technology is probably another lost cause as new developments are often very slow & cumbersome. It may take a generation to re-arrange our methods of production as it often experiences many years of teething problems.

New R&D takes decades & could be too little to late too save capitalism in the end. Not to mention that our natural resources are finite & we chew them up faster than nature can replenish them, so yes it certainly does feel like massive change is on the horizon.

Btw I think the meaning of "own nothing & be happy" goes well beyond our personal lives, our cars, our houses, our clothes. I suspect they include the nations resources as in governments wont own any of its own resources. It will all be owned by private enterprise as governments continue the sell off, until little to nothing is left. We the citizens are suppose to own our natural resource via our elected governments, but that is disappearing.

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

Originally posted by Professor:

Originally posted by Lord Vader:

Yeah, men put up with these conditions and they're not paid as well as in the past.

That's why I think the experts are either wrong or not wanting to admit some of the more negative reasons why many people are disillusioned by employment. I don't think it is only men though, as women could have it just as hard.

As for late stage capitalism, yes I would agree that it could also be the tightening felt by employers as resources & outdated methods of production become obsolete. It is why the WEF talk about a new industrial revolution that will supposedly save their arses.

The reliance on technology is probably another lost cause as new developments are often very slow & cumbersome. It may take a generation to re-arrange our methods of production as it often experiences many years of teething problems.

New R&D takes decades & could be too little to late too save capitalism in the end. Not to mention that our natural resources are finite & we chew them up faster than nature can replenish them, so yes it certainly does feel like massive change is on the horizon.

Btw I thinkthe meaning of "own nothing & be happy" goes well beyond our personal lives, our cars, our houses, our clothes. I suspect they include the nations resources as in governments wont own any of its own resources. It will all be owned by private enterprise as governments continue the sell off, until little to nothing is left. We the citizens are suppose to own our natural resource via our elected governments, but that is disappearing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uvbgFsTp-o

[Ulfrinn]

Because government keeps importing people who will do those same jobs at lower wages. Then people in the US wonder why their wages don't go up.

[abcd]

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:

Because government keeps importing people who will do those same jobs at lower wages. Then people in the US wonder why their wages don't go up.

That's actually private industry.

[Triple G]

Originally posted by abcd:

That's actually private industry.

No - according to Ulfrinn the companies are forced by the government to hire these people, because the American companies, led by Americans, would never do this to their own people, but the government would. As they´re leftist commies. The company boss billionaires are all patriots who would die for their own people.

So Trump needs to step in and stop the immigration. And the companies would totally not go where the cheap labor is in that case, because they´re patriotic.

[abcd]

Originally posted by Triple G:

Originally posted by abcd:

That's actually private industry.

No - according to Ulfrinn the companies are forced by the government to hire these people, because the American companies, led by Americans, would never do this to their own people, but the government would. As they´re leftist commies. The company boss billionaires are all patriots who would die for their own people.

So Trump needs to step in and stop the immigration. And the companies would totally not go where the cheap labor is in that case, because they´re patriotic.

No they're just blaming the government for their own policies. Pretty common.

[ナルゴ]

You get what you vote for.

[abcd]

Originally posted by Nargo:

You get what you vote for.

No you don't; you vote for what you can get.

[Professor]

I think most people would be aware that Capitalism is NON patriotic. Ray Dalio, the founder & chief of "Bridgewater" one of the largest hedge funds in the world, states the following;

"It is worth reminding that money doesn't have any loyalty to any country, way of life, political system or set of ideals. There is only loyalty to shareholders & the goal of making profit. National boundaries, ideologies & human rights are irrelevant in this environment as all that matters is who can buy & who can sell"

[abcd]

Originally posted by Professor:

I think most people would be aware that Capitalism is NON patriotic. Ray Dalio, the founder & chief of "Bridgewater" one of the largest hedge funds in the world, states the following;

"It is worth reminding that money doesn't have any loyalty to any country, way of life, political system or set of ideals. There is only loyalty to shareholders & the goal of making profit. National boundaries, ideologies & human rights are irrelevant in this environment as all that matters is who can buy & who can sell"

so human rights determining allotments do actually matter, by his own logic.

so do national boundaries, as those often determine who can buy and sell.