Games made for a "modern audience" are stupid

[Chocobo & Moogle]

Let's pander to a specific group of people to make the game better. The fanbase doesn't matter.

[Jackie Daytona]

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

Publicado originalmente por Jackie Daytona:

You think not appealing to the primary demographic makes sense. That's copium.

You made three replies in a row. Slow down, buddy.

Yeah. Because three different people replied to me.

Good thing you aren't in charge anymore. Otherwise I'd get a forum ban for "forum disruption".

You got a real reply or can you only troll? Stand behind your statements and have an actual conversation.

[Tito Shivan]

Publicado originalmente por Jackie Daytona:

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

You made three replies in a row. Slow down, buddy.

Yeah. Because three different people replied to me.

You can reply to multiple people in a single post. Some people may see what you do as spamming and report you. And the actual mods don't look context that much.
Just a piece of advice.

Publicado originalmente por Jackie Daytona:

That isn't "arbitrary". The people that gather stats on gamers sell in-depth information to companies. Which then act upon that info. Specifically shaping how games are made and marketed.

Now look at how now games are made and marketed.

Publicado originalmente por Jackie Daytona:

To avoid repeating myself, let me put this another way... Does cooking every day make you a chef? I don't think so. It's just what everyone has to do. Even if it's just microwaving a burrito. That doesn't make you a culinary artist.

I think this here is the root of all discussion. You keep going round and round on 'gamers' but, to put an example so we can try to get on the same page:

Does Walmart sell food for chefs? No, right? They sell food for the everyday cook. They sell burritos for microwave. Chefs usually have specific stores and distributors. You'll rarely see them on Walmart unless they go to hand pick a specific product.

Now. Who do you think a AAA studio sells to, chefs or the everyday cook? High cuisine or the people who microwave a burrito?

[WhiteKnight77]

Publicado originalmente por Jackie Daytona:

Publicado originalmente por WhiteKnight77:

Earlier you gave an order of what people play games on, you are off base there. Sure, they asked if people played games for more than 1 hour per week, but as I stated earlier, or rather asked earlier,

You have given me an excuse to use a term I rarely use: "word salad". What in the world are you trying to say? I can only guess.

Publicado originalmente por WhiteKnight77:

what do you call someone who spends their time helping to run a game fan site,

A person that runs a fan site? That's a moderator.

Publicado originalmente por WhiteKnight77:

or help others with getting their games working

A person that helps get games running for others? A nice I.T. person.

Publicado originalmente por WhiteKnight77:

or other work even if they play less than your arbitrary 20 hours?

That isn't "arbitrary". The people that gather stats on gamers sell in-depth information to companies. Which then act upon that info. Specifically shaping how games are made and marketed.

To avoid repeating myself, let me put this another way... Does cooking every day make you a chef? I don't think so. It's just what everyone has to do. Even if it's just microwaving a burrito. That doesn't make you a culinary artist.

By the same measure, you aren't a gamer just because you played a game once.

Publicado originalmente por WhiteKnight77:

I have been playing video games longer than you have, by a long shot, though I am lucky to be even able to play any games due to my work hours.

You have more than enough time to troll these forums. So, you can't possibly be as busy as you claim. And this is your second or third account? I've lost track.

A game fan site has and owner. Moderators police forums just like the one's here do. Fan sites have "reporters" as well as fans of said game and if they have forums, moderators.

Fans help with support for others who are having issues with their games and getting them to run. Fan sites also offer a place for modders to have a place to put their creations for other fans of the game to download them.

Your claim that people gather stats as to who plays and for how long, yet you cannot produce such, hence, your number is arbitrary. Fact, I just cook, but my brother is the chef.

The only person that produces word salad is you each and every time you respond to everyone here, and with the same word salad. One would say that you are spamming the forum.

Fact. I only have one account. Another fact, I could be classified as a hardcore gamer since I have done plenty in the name of gaming.

[Gym Leader Rory wants to battle!]

So then go play retro games Idk what to really tell you.

[Jackie Daytona]

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

Publicado originalmente por Jackie Daytona:

Yeah. Because three different people replied to me.

You can reply to multiple people in a single post. Some people may see what you do as spamming and report you. And the actual mods don't look context that much.
Just a piece of advice.

I actually typed up the three replies as one post. Then I looked at it. A mess. Way too long. No one was going to read all that. So, I broke it up into individual replies.

That isn't "spamming". Separating my responses made them easier to read. This is why I'm glad your power was taken away.

You, on the other hand? Doing everything possible to drive this discussion off-topic. As you have done consistently for years.

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

Publicado originalmente por Jackie Daytona:

That isn't "arbitrary". The people that gather stats on gamers sell in-depth information to companies. Which then act upon that info. Specifically shaping how games are made and marketed.

Now look at how now games are made and marketed.

All I see is "girl power" and representation of racial minorities. It's this whole nonsense about a "modern audience" that causes this.

The upcoming Assassin's Creed is a good example. They couldn't just have a Japanese character in Japan. They HAD to make it diverse.

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

Publicado originalmente por Jackie Daytona:

To avoid repeating myself, let me put this another way... Does cooking every day make you a chef? I don't think so. It's just what everyone has to do. Even if it's just microwaving a burrito. That doesn't make you a culinary artist.

I think this here is the root of all discussion. You keep going round and round on 'gamers'

Because that is the topic.

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

but, to put an example so we can try to get on the same page:

Does Walmart sell food for chefs? No, right?

Any decent chef could find enough quality ingredients at Wal-Mart to prepare a great meal. The best stuff? Probably not.

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

They sell food for the everyday cook. They sell burritos for microwave. Chefs usually have specific stores and distributors. You'll rarely see them on Walmart unless they go to hand pick a specific product.

Now. Who do you think a AAA studio sells to, chefs or the everyday cook? High cuisine or the people who microwave a burrito?

They try to sell to niche audiences. While assuming their core will buy their product regardless.

[the grinch wetbandit]

Publicado originalmente por AdahnGorion:

Publicado originalmente por Jackie Daytona:

OMG. You never stop.

No. Demographics exist. More people of certain groups are into certain things. This is reality.

Are there gay gamers? Yes. Are there female gamers? Absolutely. Are they the majority? No.

60-80% of gamers are white dudes, black dudes, and asian dudes. Don't want to appeal to them? Feel free to throw your money down a hole.

I have repeatedly explained the flaws in the data. You are being extremely rude to ignore my explanations.

You think not appealing to the primary demographic makes sense. That's copium.

Ah, I see the problem here. You actually believe that gaming is "mainstream". It's not. It's always been niche.

You've been fooled. Seek out a local D&D group. (1st or 2nd edition.) Go ahead. I'll wait. Take a picture of the players. I dare you.

It will be (around) at least 50% white dudes. Guaranteed.

I have never seen anything other than fat white dudes at an Axis & Allies tournament. Or MTG.

Go to any gaming convention. It's 80% fat white dudes, 10% hot chicks in cosplay, and 10% other.

Yes demographics exist, we have a big one called the mainstream and that demographic pretty much include that grouping of people as well.. I never really liked to box people in, but if we have to.

Do they exist in other demographics? yes they do as well.

You say 60-80% of gamers are males and then insert old imperalistic boxing of humans with the "White" "Black" and "Asian" poor Asian, does not get a colour nuance. The reality is that it is much more complex than that and that culture, not colour boxing, is much more important to what you like ie.

We also know this is factual wrong, since the majority of gamers are female. We also know that Asia has the most gamers.

Basically Asia have 1.5billion gamers.
Europe & North America have under a billion combined.

For the vast majority of AAA games (BG3 is an exception here, but its also PC centric, rather than the usual Console centric approach) they are focused on the broad mainstram audience and that also includes being modern in approach and listing popular trends inside the project.
We see this with movies too.

You seem to be more of a niche gamer tbh. You should not play big AAA games and expect to be catered to if you want more deep PC centric experiences.

My local DND group have a majority of females, we are not as young anymore. There is also a very broad representation, there are neurodiversity, heigh, short, male, female, young, old and also your regular family dad or mom.. Its always been like this.

If we look at trends worldwide, then female players are rapidly growing in DND and that is mainly due to the younger segment ofc. its close to 45% and will go above the males within a few years. So its not just in my local group, that its skewed abit.

This is also why so many big AAA publishers are focusing on how to tailor shopping experiences into gaming that also suit female and not just male.
You can hear Jill Braff talk about this (she is now the head of ZeniMax "Bethesda" )

There is a rather big focus on this, because the market is extremely lucreative and untapped.
Females are not just playing candy crush & The Sims btw.... I know you want it to be like that... Casual players of both sexes in various combo demographics play mainly mobile games.. that is the biggest segment gamers wise..

If you want to talk about specific PC centric games with high end PC gaming ie, then we can talk, but that makes up a tiny minority of the gaming revenue worldwide.

Last gaming convention I was at here, was pretty much 50 50 in terms of sex.
There was a rather good mixture of age groups, not just families like mine, it was very mixed.
All in all it seems like you are focused on a stereotypical worldview about gamers being some overweight male sitting alone in a basement... that might be true for tv series from the start of this century, but its not a realistic projection.

your anecdotal mention of your DND isnt a representation of the current demographics of gamers, which is still for the vast majority composed of males, mostly white. And no, DND isnt "AAA". Its niche, much like gaming entirely. Yes, theres been push to make dnd more mainstream, and more woke by the likes of wizards of the coast, but its still a niche thing. Which is ok. But those that pretend that "gaming is mainstream" and "we are all gamers" are just dishonest people with an agenda, usually a self serving agenda. They are trying to climb some social hierarchy, they are acting like politicians. Games dont have to cater to political agendas those dont sell copies.

[the grinch wetbandit]

we need more games by socially inept nerds who objectify women. Like it should be.

[𝙈𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙡𝙤]

Publicado originalmente por the grinch wetbandit:

we need more games by socially inept nerds who objectify women. Like it should be.

thats more like how it used to be. fr

[the grinch wetbandit]

Publicado originalmente por Megalo:

Publicado originalmente por the grinch wetbandit:

we need more games by socially inept nerds who objectify women. Like it should be.

thats more like how it used to be. fr

And how it should be. Games should return to that. Those are the real games. And they are returning to that.

[Poyzo]

These developers keep making games for the LOUD minority that rarely/don't even play video games. The good news is that when these games don't sell, the developers either learns or they got out of business. Thank goodness for that.

[the grinch wetbandit]

Publicado originalmente por Poyzo:

These developers keep making games for the LOUD minority that rarely/don't even play video games. The good news is that when these games don't sell, the developers either learns or they got out of business. Thank goodness for that.

or they join political-themed "gaming collectives" or become "gaming activists" or just open a new studio with their blackrock money

[𝙈𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙡𝙤]

Publicado originalmente por the grinch wetbandit:

Publicado originalmente por Megalo:

thats more like how it used to be. fr

And how it should be. Games should return to that. Those are the real games. And they are returning to that.

god i hope so.

[Chocobo & Moogle]

Publicado originalmente por Poyzo:

These developers keep making games for the LOUD minority that rarely/don't even play video games. The good news is that when these games don't sell, the developers either learns or they got out of business. Thank goodness for that.

True, Ubisoft won't share pre-order numbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u016sxyUHyI&t=4s

[the grinch wetbandit]

Publicado originalmente por Megalo:

Publicado originalmente por the grinch wetbandit:

And how it should be. Games should return to that. Those are the real games. And they are returning to that.

god i hope so.

they are, for example this game:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2888830/DAISY_THE_SWIMMER/

you play as a hot half naked asian chick with an amazing ass that swims, fishes, and kicks ass. What else could you possibly demand of a game?

[𝙈𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙡𝙤]

Publicado originalmente por the grinch wetbandit:

Publicado originalmente por Megalo:

god i hope so.

they are, for example this game:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2888830/DAISY_THE_SWIMMER/

you play as a hot half naked asian chick with an amazing ass that swims, fishes, and kicks ass. What else could you possibly demand of a game?

lame shovelware. try again my dude
you posting like you never owned a playstation or sega saturn. sup with that?
Wait... are you one of those games' journalists lookin for a "gotcha" moment?
lol gee golly willachers
you must feel super important.