Is it true that God killed more people than Satan in the Bible?

[Apteryx]

I remember once seeing a bar graph of people God killed vs. people Satan killed and Satan killed like 20 people while God killed like 2.6 million people. Is that true?

[Pierce Dalton]

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If God already knows the future, there's no such thing as free will, though.

Some people can know the future too. Do they have free will?

I mean, sometimes the future is a bit obvious lol. But people can't know all the future like God.

[Bernard The Gurnard]

You could fill a concert hall with this material :-)

[Fajita Jim]

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But people can't know all the future like God.

Lots of verses in The Bible suggest that God does not have foreknowledge. Here's just one:


If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

[Bernard The Gurnard]

I think you should all finish with a song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35K6vQRt67g

[Stingray_tm]

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Lots of verses in The Bible suggest that God does not have foreknowledge. Here's just one:


If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

Yeah, the Bible tends to contradict itself. But apologists usually ignore the part they don't like at that particular moment. God is at the same time all knowing and not all knowing, just what the current argument demands.

[Fajita Jim]

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Lots of verses in The Bible suggest that God does not have foreknowledge. Here's just one:


If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

Yeah, the Bible tends to contradict itself. But apologists usually ignore the part they don't like at that particular moment. God is at the same time all knowing and not all knowing, just what the current argument demands.

It's worse in Hebrew. He literally says "if they repent, I'll think about it."

[apathy]

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There's nothing contradictory or illogical about being all-powerful, all-knowing, and benevolent. Maybe if you can present a case why you believe they are I can at least see your perspective.

Then you don't understand the paradoxes that arise with the word "omni". Most Christians I spoke to in the past, who cared about what they believed, avoided the terms, simply stating god was the most powerful, not all-powerful. That god would like all to come to repentance, but is unable to bring all to reconciliation. That god didn't want robots, but is unable to make another god like himself for companionship.

Truth makes right, not might.

You follow him for his power and status, not for his "integrity" or "inability to lie". An uncomfortable fact of life is many people do willingly follow tyrants, because they love their power, and would give anything to be them.

It seems you can't accept the idea of the Biblical God because worshiping and obeying Him would mean setting your own ego and desires aside, which is too much for you to do.

Embracing existential nihilism and realizing the universe is nothing but meaningless chaos, has already set my own ego aside. I have suffered ego death already. You're on a slippery slope too, because Buddhists set their own desires aside, and they don't believe in your favourite brand of tribal desert god.

Maybe you've had negative experience with people associated with Christianity, and that contributes as well.

There are many horrible Christians running around, yes, you would label them as "false Christians", probably. Problem for you is they make up the vast majority of Christians. To quote the wide road to destruction.

Misunderstanding God, then rejecting Him out of anger is what started my journey, and opened my eyes to our spiritual reality. We could argue back and forth, but I'm not interested in that. The Lord did say few would make it, and I've made my peace with that. No use trying to make a liar out of Him and convince every single human on earth; it'll never work.

Dude, he directly killed 2.3 million people in the Bible. Ask him yourself if you're truly in communion with him and not full of BS. He's proud of it.

[Stingray_tm]

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Then you don't understand the paradoxes that arise with the word "omni". Most Christians I spoke to in the past, who cared about what they believed, avoided the terms, simply stating god was the most powerful, not all-powerful. That god would like all to come to repentance, but is unable to bring all to reconciliation. That god didn't want robots, but is unable to make another god like himself for companionship.

Yep. I still don't have seen proof for that assertion that a God exists in the first place, but the version described by you makes a lot more sense and is internally more consistent. it is not the God that is described in the Bible, though. Which is why many Christians (like most Catholics) are not Biblical literalists. The Bible makes no internal sense.

[Shadow]

Yes. Which is why we always say "fear God" "fear the wrath of God" "fear His judgement" etc, we don't say the same for Lucifer. God ain't merciful, on the day of judgement everyone will have to stand before Him and beg not to be thrown into hell.

[Not Big Surprise]

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Doesn't matter.

You can kill anyone you want so long as you have the moral high-ground, and God will always have the moral high-ground.

this is a rather concerning mindset

[Fajita Jim]

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Then you don't understand the paradoxes that arise with the word "omni". Most Christians I spoke to in the past, who cared about what they believed, avoided the terms, simply stating god was the most powerful, not all-powerful. That god would like all to come to repentance, but is unable to bring all to reconciliation. That god didn't want robots, but is unable to make another god like himself for companionship.

Yep. I still don't have seen proof for that assertion that a God exists in the first place, but the version described by you makes a lot more sense and is internally more consistent. it is not the God that is described in the Bible, though. Which is why many Christians (like most Catholics) are not Biblical literalists. The Bible makes no internal sense.

I mean, everything God in the Bible creates rebels. Even the Angels. Hmmm...

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

Yes...

If this supposed god created "EVERYTHING" then this god is responsible for suffering and death and evil being a thing in the first place.

Otherwise, it would not be a "perfect being".

[Polski_Gnom]

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Probably. I'm sure some butthurt atheist will chime in and answer.

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[sandokanski]

I don't believe in the supernatural, but if you assume it's real why would Satan kill people? People will die anyway. Longer life, more sins, higher probability to get in hell. But also, why am I assuming Satan knows math? It's written nowhere.

It's a paradox. I'm back to not believing in supernatural.

[CaractacusRex]

Satan is not a killer.

Satan is the great deceiver. He is the snake in the garden, the whispering voice in your head. He doesn't kill people. He doesn't need to. His job is not to kill you, it is to make you fall from God.

Meanwhile, God does kill people. Lots of people. But that's only a bad thing because we are people. Our morality does not translate to God. God is the creator. If he creates, he can also destroy. I have a pet cat and I am very probably going to have him put down soon because it looks like he may have a terminal illness. That is my horrific responsibility because I love him and don't want him to suffer. He trusts me absolutely. I am acting as his God and it's not a position anyone would envy.

God is perfect, so he created man. But man was imperfect, so God destroyed man over and over, trying to find a perfect man, until God realises that man will always be imperfect, and so God kills himself in the form of Jesus his son (the Holy Trinity declares that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one and the same), because if he creates imperfection then God himself is imperfect and God himself must be destroyed and reborn anew to both forgive and love Humanity in all of its imperfection.

So after Jesus - God says - you are imperfect, but I love you anyway. I love you in your imperfection and if you love me, then I will cover your imperfections. And if you don't love me then you have to deal with your imperfections on your own.

How Satan deceives is Satan says - you are not imperfect. You are perfect. You are more perfect than God. (He says to Eve - eat the forbidden apple, take all of God's knowledge. So she does and she loses her innocence. Satan says to Jesus in the desert, you are powerful, create food and eat. and Jesus resists Satan because if he were to use his power for selfish, personal reasons, he would become truly evil. He only uses his powers to help others). If you are perfect, then you can do anything. Take power. Take whatever you want. Do whatever you want. Control and twist others. Go mad on power.

And of course some people believe that, and they believe themselves to be all powerful and perfect, above others and incapable of failure, so they take what they want, or they take power, and then their imperfection leads to really really bad things happening because actually they don't have anything like the perfection they thought they did. Thus while God kills people in the Bible, Satan is pretty much responsible for all killings ever since. Not because he directly does it, but because he whispers in the ears of the people who do.

Now even if you don't believe any of that is real, you should be able to see the power and truth in the allegory that people clearly understood 2000 years ago yet have somehow forgotten today.