Is it true that God killed more people than Satan in the Bible?

[Apteryx]

I remember once seeing a bar graph of people God killed vs. people Satan killed and Satan killed like 20 people while God killed like 2.6 million people. Is that true?

[ZZZZZ]

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tbh the OP doesnt mention the bible

The thread we are currently in, the thread you clicked on, the thread you are posting in, is called:

"Is it true that God killed more people than Satan in the Bible?"

yes but Im blind and somehow didnt see it :(

[Grendalcat]

Those 2.6 million people had it coming.👿

[Xero_Daxter]

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Those 2.6 million people had it coming.👿

Then god said “It’s a prank, bro!!”

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I remember once seeing a bar graph of people God killed vs. people Satan killed and Satan killed like 20 people while God killed like 2.6 million people. Is that true?

yes, great flooding wiping 99% people on earth, so we talk about at least 100 million death

sodom and gomore is probably dozen thousands death

7 plague in egypt my estimaion several hundred thousand, maybe one million egyptians including hundred thousands children

[[TGSA] oujisan2236]

2.6mil sounds like a low number


as far as i know 0 on Satan

i mean Job was a bet even Satan was hesitant

[Talby]

Honestly, you clearly mean people who have been killed in the name of good / God, vs. the people killed in the same of evil / satan...

Clearly the people killing in the name of God are FAR more efficient than killing in the name of evil.

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For that matter i wonder as there are other religions and gods which one of them got highest kill count to his/hers name?

try aztec, they are good with that

[vkobe]

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Every single person who has ever died in history died because of Satan.

Because Satan deceived Eve into allowing sin to enter into God's creation, and sin causes us to age and die, because the wages of sin is death. If God wiped out some people, it was because Satan had corrupted them.

except i call that stagnation, adam and eve cant evolve and improve the society, they are stuck forever in enden garden, it mean nobody can born, it is only a golden prison

i prefer human build their own paradise than high end being force us to stay in a golden prison

[Crusader (Banned13x)]

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Every single person who has ever died in history died because of Satan.

Wrong, but even we play devil's advocate and say you're right, are you talking about Satan who serves God as our adversary, tempter, and tester? Or Satan the fallen rebellious angel? Because there is a difference, not that the Jewish theology can be bothered to explain who is who, though continuity in religious texts kinda sucked back then.

The former is doing evil deeds because he's ordered by God to. This angel has a low opinion of mankind and puts us to the test to see if they are worthy of God. With God's authority he was allowed to murder Job's family. The latter is doing evil deeds because God allows him to, and does everything, even allowing evil, to serve his own selfish designs to attain glory.

God has only ever cared about his image. He doesn't outright destroy Israel, because that would make him look bad in front of his own hosts in Heaven.

God is as immoral as Eru from Lord of the Rings, who was Biblically inspired, as he only cares about his own glory as well if you bother to read the Silmarillion.

Realizing this, many Christians don't just move the goalposts, they jump the literal shark. "So what if our God is pure evil?" They say. "Who are you to judge? He has every right to destroy, torture, and murder what he has made."

Knowing this, why do you enslave yourself to this fiction, by endorsing and defending an evil character's actions?

No matter what I say, you'll come up with your own version of it to justify rejecting God.

Satan of the Holy Bible, who is allowed to commit evil. God doesn't order him to. The devil is allowed to prove some of God's followers, who are rewarded when they remain true, because the Lord can turn even what was meant for evil into good. That same devil who also rebelled and was cast out from being able to live in heaven. They're not two different beings.

God didn't outright destroy Israel because Moses pleaded with Him not to on Mt. Sinai, even though God knew they would be a stubborn people who would disobey Him and cause trouble for the world until the end of time. Because God cares about His faithful, and will even change His course to honor their requests.

The Lord isn't selfishly scheming to attain glory, He already has glory, and wants to share it with mankind. That's why He created man, that's why He gave mankind dominion over the earth until we gave that to Satan, and that's why He has promised to give us glorified forms and an eternity of reigning and ruling with Him.

So what fictional, evil character are you speaking of? It seems the only issue here is your understanding of who the Almighty is.

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According to the bible, what led to humans becoming mortal in the first place?

Eating an apple.
That's it.

(It was the apple of knowledge, but still, apple).

It was called the "fruit" of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It was never specified as an apple though.

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Yahweh is no joke. He gives you free will, and the moment you act on such, cast you to suffer all eternity at the hands of his enemy.

If God already knows the future, there's no such thing as free will, though.

Knowing what will happen and controlling what will happen are two separate things. Free will exists and God knows what you'll do with that free will. He doesn't place you on an on-rails existence that plays out as He programmed it, you merely do what you were always going to choose to do.

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God knows everything right? Then what’s the point of praying if he knows everything? And if it wasn’t meant to be then what is the point?

If you know a person will do something right, that doesn't mean you won't be pleased when they do. That doesn't mean you won't reward them when they've done that. Vice-versa with knowing someone will do something wrong. If I know someone is going to try to stab me, I'm going to still not like it when they try.

[hechicero]

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Satan of the Holy Bible, who is allowed to commit evil. God doesn't order him to. The devil is allowed to...

So your point is that God didn't kill anyone, he just allowed Satan to kill everyone?

[Crusader (Banned13x)]

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Satan of the Holy Bible, who is allowed to commit evil. God doesn't order him to. The devil is allowed to...

So your point is that God didn't kill anyone, he just allowed Satan to kill everyone?

The point is free will. Satan chooses to act outside of God's will.

Whenever it's free will being argued, unbelievers say: "So God allows all this evil?? How terrible!"

Whenever it's not free will being argued, unbelievers say: "So God just created everyone to do all this evil?? How terrible!"

Most people are absolutely determined to reject God by whatever malleable logic suits them at the time.

[GunsForBucks]

The whole apple thing I consider "gaining wisdom above the animals" and thus became discontent with the world and began to change the world to mans comfort.

I don't inherently see a problem with that as long as we can evolve psychologically enough not to make each other slaves and masters.

Pride and Greed vs Morality and Equality

Keeping in mind perfect equality is stagnant, we always need to move forward.
Money is a great motivator as long as people make enough to be able to improve.

As a species we need to rise above our flaws if we want to gain any kind of heaven.

[will]

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Wrong, but even we play devil's advocate and say you're right, are you talking about Satan who serves God as our adversary, tempter, and tester? Or Satan the fallen rebellious angel? Because there is a difference, not that the Jewish theology can be bothered to explain who is who, though continuity in religious texts kinda sucked back then.

The former is doing evil deeds because he's ordered by God to. This angel has a low opinion of mankind and puts us to the test to see if they are worthy of God. With God's authority he was allowed to murder Job's family. The latter is doing evil deeds because God allows him to, and does everything, even allowing evil, to serve his own selfish designs to attain glory.

God has only ever cared about his image. He doesn't outright destroy Israel, because that would make him look bad in front of his own hosts in Heaven.

God is as immoral as Eru from Lord of the Rings, who was Biblically inspired, as he only cares about his own glory as well if you bother to read the Silmarillion.

Realizing this, many Christians don't just move the goalposts, they jump the literal shark. "So what if our God is pure evil?" They say. "Who are you to judge? He has every right to destroy, torture, and murder what he has made."

Knowing this, why do you enslave yourself to this fiction, by endorsing and defending an evil character's actions?

No matter what I say, you'll come up with your own version of it to justify rejecting God.

Satan of the Holy Bible, who is allowed to commit evil. God doesn't order him to. The devil is allowed to prove some of God's followers, who are rewarded when they remain true, because the Lord can turn even what was meant for evil into good. That same devil who also rebelled and was cast out from being able to live in heaven. They're not two different beings.

God didn't outright destroy Israel because Moses pleaded with Him not to on Mt. Sinai, even though God knew they would be a stubborn people who would disobey Him and cause trouble for the world until the end of time. Because God cares about His faithful, and will even change His course to honor their requests.

The Lord isn't selfishly scheming to attain glory, He already has glory, and wants to share it with mankind. That's why He created man, that's why He gave mankind dominion over the earth until we gave that to Satan, and that's why He has promised to give us glorified forms and an eternity of reigning and ruling with Him.

So what fictional, evil character are you speaking of? It seems the only issue here is your understanding of who the Almighty is.

"no matter what I say, you'll come up with your own version"? isn't that what you're doing? reinterpreting stuff to fit your narrative? classic.

the whole satan thing. you say he's just "allowed" to commit evil, not ordered. splitting hairs much? whether he's ordered or allowed, the result's the same: chaos and suffering. and this idea that it's all a test? sounds like a cop-out. what kind of benevolent being needs to test loyalty through suffering? ever heard of trust?

and god not destroying israel because moses asked him not to- so, god's decisions hinge on human input? doesn't sound very omnipotent to me. and this notion that god is sharing his glory with mankind – where's the evidence? seems like a lot of bad stuff happening for a being who supposedly wants to share glory.

your whole point about glorified forms and ruling with him. sounds like a bait-and-switch. endure suffering now for some vague promise of glory later? not buying it.

you're defending an interpretation of a deity that seems to have a lot of inconsistencies and contradictions. maybe the fictional, evil character isn't the issue here. maybe it's your blind acceptance of a narrative that doesn't quite add up. keep twisting it to make it work for you. seems like you're good at that.

[Crusader (Banned13x)]

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No matter what I say, you'll come up with your own version of it to justify rejecting God.

Satan of the Holy Bible, who is allowed to commit evil. God doesn't order him to. The devil is allowed to prove some of God's followers, who are rewarded when they remain true, because the Lord can turn even what was meant for evil into good. That same devil who also rebelled and was cast out from being able to live in heaven. They're not two different beings.

God didn't outright destroy Israel because Moses pleaded with Him not to on Mt. Sinai, even though God knew they would be a stubborn people who would disobey Him and cause trouble for the world until the end of time. Because God cares about His faithful, and will even change His course to honor their requests.

The Lord isn't selfishly scheming to attain glory, He already has glory, and wants to share it with mankind. That's why He created man, that's why He gave mankind dominion over the earth until we gave that to Satan, and that's why He has promised to give us glorified forms and an eternity of reigning and ruling with Him.

So what fictional, evil character are you speaking of? It seems the only issue here is your understanding of who the Almighty is.

"no matter what I say, you'll come up with your own version"? isn't that what you're doing? reinterpreting stuff to fit your narrative? classic.

the whole satan thing. you say he's just "allowed" to commit evil, not ordered. splitting hairs much? whether he's ordered or allowed, the result's the same: chaos and suffering. and this idea that it's all a test? sounds like a cop-out. what kind of benevolent being needs to test loyalty through suffering? ever heard of trust?

and god not destroying israel because moses asked him not to- so, god's decisions hinge on human input? doesn't sound very omnipotent to me. and this notion that god is sharing his glory with mankind – where's the evidence? seems like a lot of bad stuff happening for a being who supposedly wants to share glory.

your whole point about glorified forms and ruling with him. sounds like a bait-and-switch. endure suffering now for some vague promise of glory later? not buying it.

you're defending an interpretation of a deity that seems to have a lot of inconsistencies and contradictions. maybe the fictional, evil character isn't the issue here. maybe it's your blind acceptance of a narrative that doesn't quite add up. keep twisting it to make it work for you. seems like you're good at that.

Not reinterpreting anything. Stating plainly what the Holy Bible says. You're clearly the one with your own interpretation that doesn't agree with the scriptures, so that's on you.

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No matter what I say, you'll come up with your own version of it to justify rejecting God.

Point proven by this person.