Era of broken games which Valve will never fix because they get a cut out of every sale

[Brokenrite]

e.g.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1721870/discussions/0/5966762350806365464/

[Brokenrite]

İlk olarak crunchyfrog tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Brokenrite tarafından gönderildi:

You can have mod manager in game that connects to multiple sources and it is not bound to monopoly.


Yes. This is artificially cut content that was placed behind artificial paywall.

Demonstrate this was ARTIFICIALLY cut and what the hell you mean by that.

It would be part of this sale:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/292030/The_Witcher_3_Wild_Hunt/

[Brokenrite]

CAPCON scamming people with this broken game:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/222480/Resident_Evil_Revelations/#app_reviews_hash

[Tito Shivan]

Maybe posting the games you think are NOT scams would make this thread shorter.

[On Vacation]

Valve will not fix them because they have a grasp on what broken and scam actually mean. Language works because collectively we have agreed that specific sounds i.e. words have definitions. You've chosen to distort the meanings of those words because saying "I don't like..." doesn't have the impact you want. You've chosen poorly.

The sad truth of it is by crying wolf and constantly being hyperbolic, it makes real criticism much less likely to be taken seriously.

[DiceDsx]

İlk olarak Tito Shivan tarafından gönderildi:

Maybe posting the games you think are NOT scams would make this thread shorter.

I think there wouldn't be a thread at all in that case.

[Brokenrite]

İlk olarak On Vacation tarafından gönderildi:

Valve will not fix them because they have a grasp on what broken and scam actually mean. Language works because collectively we have agreed that specific sounds i.e. words have definitions. You've chosen to distort the meanings of those words because saying "I don't like..." doesn't have the impact you want. You've chosen poorly.

The sad truth of it is by crying wolf and constantly being hyperbolic, it makes real criticism much less likely to be taken seriously.

Then they should remove scams from the store. Valve is reponsible for what is beign sold in the store.

Remember their main game was originally made via mod. Now you applaud, approve developers from restricing people to use mods.

Broken: incomplete, unfinished, unplayable, bugs not fixed for months, years. Game degraded on purpose.

[On Vacation]

It is quite odd to simultaneously quote someone and misattribute what they said. I said Valve understands what a scam is and implied quite clearly that your definition of scam is out of touch with reality. Next please point out the specific sentence where I said "I applaud and approve of developers restricting players to use mods".

Go ahead I'll wait....

For the rest, incomplete and unfinished are not synonyms of broken. As far as bugs go, excluding some of the most simplest of games (even some of these though. Pong has bugs for example), it is very rare for a title not to have bugs regardless of what era you look at. Go down a list of the best PC games ever made or take your own favorites and ask yourself how many are actually bug free. Even when you think you've found one, visit the speed running community, and you may be surprised how many glitches there actually are.

I'm going to head off the potential rebuttal of "a glitch is not a bug". A glitch in gaming, more often then not, is the manifestation of a bug. Not to mention bugs that actually make a game unplayable persisting for years is uncommon if the bug is relatively easy to encounter and more importantly easily reproduced.

None of this is to say that there aren't issue's within the gaming industry. Some of which weren't seen thirty years ago. But when you stand on the ridiculous you shouldn't be surprised when people don't listen to the reasonable.

[Boblin the Goblin]

İlk olarak Brokenrite tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak On Vacation tarafından gönderildi:

Valve will not fix them because they have a grasp on what broken and scam actually mean. Language works because collectively we have agreed that specific sounds i.e. words have definitions. You've chosen to distort the meanings of those words because saying "I don't like..." doesn't have the impact you want. You've chosen poorly.

The sad truth of it is by crying wolf and constantly being hyperbolic, it makes real criticism much less likely to be taken seriously.

Then they should remove scams from the store. Valve is reponsible for what is beign sold in the store.

Remember their main game was originally made via mod. Now you applaud, approve developers from restricing people to use mods.

Broken: incomplete, unfinished, unplayable, bugs not fixed for months, years. Game degraded on purpose.

Yes, you've shown you have no idea what any of those mean.

[Tolkien Book Fan]

İlk olarak On Vacation tarafından gönderildi:

It is quite odd to simultaneously quote someone and misattribute what they said. I said Valve understands what a scam is and implied quite clearly that your definition of scam is out of touch with reality. Next please point out the specific sentence where I said "I applaud and approve of developers restricting players to use mods".

Go ahead I'll wait.....

The current target of haters is an AAA company that banned mods from a current game. I think it's Ubisoft, but I also saw Capcom ranted at today (by someone other than the OP). The OP is a hate-trend follower and is just ranting at the current target, uncaring if that has anything to do with what other people are writing here about.

People have been ranting 'regulate gaming as though you were a government agency, or face false criminal charges yourselves' at Valve for at least four years now. It's been totally futile of course. Valve has no reason to implement the usually self-destructive demands of people that are often hostile ex-customers, especially when empty threats are the only thing they can manage. The OP's borrowed claim that all DLC is a scam must have been around for over a decade now, for instance, and it hasn't done anything at all to reduce the number or prices of DLC.

[1200V2]

If a shop sells products that are to expensive and of less quality would you buy a new product in that shop? Or do you quit buying a product in that shop because there is no point to do so?
Because the product is no longer there?
The concept of a 'complete' game as a product is being eroded.

[Start_Running]

İlk olarak Brokenrite tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak On Vacation tarafından gönderildi:

Valve will not fix them because they have a grasp on what broken and scam actually mean. Language works because collectively we have agreed that specific sounds i.e. words have definitions. You've chosen to distort the meanings of those words because saying "I don't like..." doesn't have the impact you want. You've chosen poorly.

The sad truth of it is by crying wolf and constantly being hyperbolic, it makes real criticism much less likely to be taken seriously.

Then they should remove scams from the store. Valve is reponsible for what is beign sold in the store.

Remember their main game was originally made via mod. Now you applaud, approve developers from restricing people to use mods.

Broken: incomplete, unfinished, unplayable, bugs not fixed for months, years. Game degraded on purpose.

Actually Their main game was not a Mod. They Licensed the use of the engine from ID and then made further tweaks to said engine. In short. They were a paying customer.. not some freeloading squatter. Dev/Pubs have always had th elegal right to prohibit and prevent the use of mods . So it's kinda funny you expect them to be against someone exercising the rights granted to them under the law,.

As for scams. They do remove those. Same for games that are broken. The thing is they have a different definition of those words than you do. One that is shockingly not based around what YOU believe but around what the legally agreed upon definition of said words.

As for incomplete/unfinished (seriously why did you say the same thing twice). Well the only one who is at liberty to decide when a game is finished is the person doing the work or the one paying the people doing the work. I.e the dev or the publishers. Now you are free to say its insufficient to your needs and the price being asked and in which case you are free to not buy the game. And other people a free to come to a different conclusion. The phrase is. You do you.

And FYI there is no such thing as a bug free game. As long as the game has more than 10 lines of code its gonna have a bug.

[crunchyfrog]

İlk olarak Brokenrite tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak crunchyfrog tarafından gönderildi:

Demonstrate this was ARTIFICIALLY cut and what the hell you mean by that.

It would be part of this sale:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/292030/The_Witcher_3_Wild_Hunt/

And how does that demonstrate it was artificially vut from the original game?

That's not how logic works.

You claimed it was artificially cut from the original game. Show this.

[Start_Running]

İlk olarak 1200V2 tarafından gönderildi:

If a shop sells products that are to expensive and of less quality would you buy a new product in that shop? Or do you quit buying a product in that shop because there is no point to do so?
Because the product is no longer there?
The concept of a 'complete' game as a product is being eroded.

There wasn;t much to the concept to the begin with. The only thing is now people are more aware of what goes on behind the scenes.

There is no game that ever shipped with the full content or feasture set the devs originally planned to do.

What has always been shipped is what gets called the "Minimum Viable Product"

[crunchyfrog]

İlk olarak Start_Running tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak 1200V2 tarafından gönderildi:

If a shop sells products that are to expensive and of less quality would you buy a new product in that shop? Or do you quit buying a product in that shop because there is no point to do so?
Because the product is no longer there?
The concept of a 'complete' game as a product is being eroded.

There wasn;t much to the concept to the begin with. The only thing is now people are more aware of what goes on behind the scenes.

There is no game that ever shipped with the full content or feasture set the devs originally planned to do.

What has always been shipped is what gets called the "Minimum Viable Product"

Precisely.

If you go and talk to ANY game dev or artist or anyone who worked on a game in any context, they will all tell you that when worked stopped it does not mean they finished.

People who don't understand this need to realise that when it comes to development you HAVE to nail in a release date way ahead of time. For many reasons, one was obviously for manufacturing physical discs and so on, the other is marketing material and adverts, and the legal side just to name a few (publishing).

As this is usually done quite a few months ahead, you still need to work to that, and if you don't get everything done in time, tough. Things get cut, and things get dropped.


It's ALWAYS happened.

It's just now that sometimes we get to see the light of day with some things as they form DLC. Sometimes things are carved off cynically, but that does not mean all are, not even close. It does demonstrate this person does not understand the first thing about development though.

[Start_Running]

İlk olarak crunchyfrog tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Start_Running tarafından gönderildi:

There wasn;t much to the concept to the begin with. The only thing is now people are more aware of what goes on behind the scenes.

There is no game that ever shipped with the full content or feasture set the devs originally planned to do.

What has always been shipped is what gets called the "Minimum Viable Product"

Precisely.

If you go and talk to ANY game dev or artist or anyone who worked on a game in any context, they will all tell you that when worked stopped it does not mean they finished.

My favourite example is .. A Rideable Yoshi was initially planned for the first SMB game.
Let that sink in. Yoshi was supposed to be in the first game.

They couldn't manage it due to limitations and that concept along with many others were scrapped.

İlk olarak crunchyfrog tarafından gönderildi:

People who don't understand this need to realise that when it comes to development you HAVE to nail in a release date way ahead of time. For many reasons, one was obviously for manufacturing physical discs and so on, the other is marketing material and adverts, and the legal side just to name a few (publishing).

To be fair that's one of the advantages of being a low budget indie. You're not as bound to release schedules.

İlk olarak crunchyfrog tarafından gönderildi:

As this is usually done quite a few months ahead, you still need to work to that, and if you don't get everything done in time, tough. Things get cut, and things get dropped.

UI can tell you that in some cases marketing and advert spots are but as much as a year ahead of time. Mostly just to ensure that they have the slot.

İlk olarak crunchyfrog tarafından gönderildi:

It's just now that sometimes we get to see the light of day with some things as they form DLC. Sometimes things are carved off cynically, but that does not mean all are, not even close. It does demonstrate this person does not understand the first thing about development though.

In this day and age anyone who is curious enough can dig a little and find out these things.