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Kamiyama (已封禁) 2024 年 6 月 11 日 下午 5:50
Why was the Galactic Empire so weak?
I just looked up military strength of the Empire in Star Wars, and I walk away appalled.

Not by the military strength of the Empire, no. I am appalled at the Empire's total lack of military strength. The Empire was incredibly weak, and it's mind-boggling that the Empire was able to exist at all, in any capacity.

At the peak of the Galactic Empire's power, it controled 1.5 million inhabited planets, a vast galaxy-spanning territory. However for that massive and mind-boggling galaxy spanning empire, it only had:

1. A measly 25,000 star destroyers. They could keep 1 star destroyer in orbit of 0.016% of their inhabited planets.

2. A measly 20 sector armies, with each sector army consisting of 774,576 combat troops, and a total of 1,180,379 total personnel when you count support personnel. If you do the math, that means the entire Empire army consisted of 15,491,520 combat troops.

For comparison, the USA has 1.5 million combat troops. The USA alone outnumbers one Galactic Empire sector army 2 to 1.

To put this into further perspective, the 1.5 million planets that constitute the Galactic Empire are on average contributing 10 soldiers each to the Galactic armed forces.

3. The Galactic Empire under the command of Palpatine the Sith Lord, was by the numbers the most peaceful organization to exist in the entire history of the galaxy, capable of stationing only 10 soldiers on each of its worlds and could not deploy even 1 star destroyer to 99.9% of its member worlds.

4. What did the Empire spend all of it's tax money on? Clearly its military expenditures couldn't amount to more than 0.01% of its budget.

5. If any member world decided to rebel against the Empire, they could have done so easily, and with 1.5 million member worlds, statistically they should have thousands of rebellions happening at all times of every day. With no military force to speak of, they wouldn't be able to respond to any of them and it's no wonder that a rag tag group of rebels armed with old X-wing starfighters were able to win.

6. The rebellion didn't need Luke Skywalker to win. The rebellion was going to win anyway.
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ZZZZZ 2024 年 6 月 12 日 上午 12:09 
I mean it can work if most of those planets have only 5 ppl on it
BloodShed 2024 年 6 月 12 日 上午 12:15 
引用自 Tom Macdonald
引用自 MinionJoe
Two words: Lack of diversity.
well thats not true... some how the clones managed to make a black guy in rogue one.
/smh.

Clone troopers where phased out in favour of conscripted troops not long after Sidious declared his galactic empire.
Dutchgamer1982 2024 年 6 月 12 日 上午 12:30 
never liked starwars.

it is soft scifi

I like hard scifi..
hard scifi must fit real science and must be scientiffic possible.. a continue lore without errors and following its own estabiled rules is utmost importance too

soft scifi cares nothing for all that.. its wizards in space and it just wants to tell a story.. nothing makes sense
why obly 25000 ships.. why 1.5 planets cause soft scifi writers not care about the why.m
最后由 Dutchgamer1982 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 12 日 上午 12:30
C4Warr10r 2024 年 6 月 12 日 上午 3:21 
Sheer plot armor. Star Wars was always a "progressive" franchise, as evidenced by how poorly Lucas wrote the prequels. How in the hell do you come to the conclusion that a Trade Federation wants to blockade trade so it can go to war and waste a bunch of resources? Why is a queen representative of democracy? Why are the Jedi such obvious manipulators? Why is it bad for the Empire to place humanity first?

Nobody can write what they don't know, and this is simply what the Left knows. It only knows outgroup preference, in order to build a coalition that will overthrow what they see as an oppressive society. Even free trade is oppressive to them. The fact that Lucas disagrees with Disney activists over HOW that vision should have been sold means nothing. He wrote the exact same story.

In reality, the Empire was always right. Originally, it was a representation of what hippies saw normal society as. They still do that to this day, but who joins the Empire, if not for a love of humanity and order? The bet fiction we have comes from human stories about why people joined the Empire, not this hippie ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and in the end, the hippie Communist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ destroyed the whole universe.

The Empire was right the whole time, because if they had won, we'd never have gotten this absolute trash fiction, where the only thing that matters is the political message.Imperial adherents already knew that was a thing, but the "Woke" rebels have no immunity to it.

Thus, we get the fiction, as in real life, where they are invulnerable, and the Empire is laughably weak. They don't see themselves for the empire they are, they don't see others as human, they only see the Rebellion as it was preached to them, by the people who actually control media.
Dutchgamer1982 2024 年 6 月 12 日 上午 3:31 
引用自 C4Warr10r
Sheer plot armor. Star Wars was always a "progressive" franchise, as evidenced by how poorly Lucas wrote the prequels. How in the hell do you come to the conclusion that a Trade Federation wants to blockade trade so it can go to war and waste a bunch of resources? Why is a queen representative of democracy? Why are the Jedi such obvious manipulators? Why is it bad for the Empire to place humanity first?

Nobody can write what they don't know, and this is simply what the Left knows. It only knows outgroup preference, in order to build a coalition that will overthrow what they see as an oppressive society. Even free trade is oppressive to them. The fact that Lucas disagrees with Disney activists over HOW that vision should have been sold means nothing. He wrote the exact same story.

In reality, the Empire was always right. Originally, it was a representation of what hippies saw normal society as. They still do that to this day, but who joins the Empire, if not for a love of humanity and order? The bet fiction we have comes from human stories about why people joined the Empire, not this hippie ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and in the end, the hippie Communist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ destroyed the whole universe.

The Empire was right the whole time, because if they had won, we'd never have gotten this absolute trash fiction, where the only thing that matters is the political message.Imperial adherents already knew that was a thing, but the "Woke" rebels have no immunity to it.

Thus, we get the fiction, as in real life, where they are invulnerable, and the Empire is laughably weak. They don't see themselves for the empire they are, they don't see others as human, they only see the Rebellion as it was preached to them, by the people who actually control media.

I won't go as far as you... and I have not watched it as I not care for it..
but I have red some people who indeed concluded the empire was the right side

they managed to keep order with quite a small force.. and effectively delivered to the people.
even planets on the absolute outskirts still had police, and public services that were quite good

so it was the prime example of a peacefull empire.. providing basic services at a low taxburden.. while it's people lived safe and good life..

those rebels.. are more like taliban.. fanatics.. who are only in for their own interests..
guess what happens when you blow up a death star... a state project that provide jobs to billions.. and who in turn will send money home.. so billions other jobs will sell goods.. to their families etc..
it will cause a financial crisis worse than 1920.. but not in 1 nation but on millions of planets..
it be like a mayor disruption to trade like the bronze age collapse but worse..
that will degress society and cause millions upon millions of deaths due starvation and leave billions much poorter and unemployed and loose everything

those rebels not care for any of that.. they only cared for something on their insignificant little corner... even worse.. the empire was not even enforching that hard.. you want to be left alone you would be.. but rebels never are ok with just left alone they had to ruin a good thing for everyone.
最后由 Dutchgamer1982 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 12 日 上午 3:32
permanent name 2024 年 6 月 12 日 上午 3:31 
Technically the whole Empire was Palpatine trying to deny his complicated and no doubt offensive to explain sexuality.

Say what you want about the new triology, they got his ... climactic end right. And that's all it really, truly, inevitably needed to be.

And also Rey makes a lot of sense, as the character that she is, given the kinds of constraints Palpatine was putting on the Force to act. It spawned a ludicrously powerful, nearly-emotionless, sexless, female-form non-effeminate expression of sheer power who cannot experience any form of love of emotional attachment unless it involves some kind of elaborate power struggle with a Dark force user who happens to be between her and her inevitable, GOD-ordained mission to kill Palpatine.

In a very real sense that is what Palps is, in negative.

Kylo's insanely childish behavior makes sense because it's tempting her with something she has absolutely never had: a childhood, let alone some kind of embarssing adolescent romance. Something they both share, in addition to being singleminded entitites concocted to help finish Palps off.
最后由 permanent name 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 12 日 上午 3:42
Agent 2024 年 6 月 12 日 上午 10:23 
They weren't weak at all. Just made a series of blunders, hyper focussed on death star projects and plot armour was too strong to defeat
Hobbit XIII 2024 年 6 月 12 日 下午 12:19 
引用自 bluesky66621
引用自 Tom Macdonald
well thats not true... some how the clones managed to make a black guy in rogue one.
/smh.

That was Disney didn't keep the cannon of star wars. In reality the clones was created after bounty hunter Jango Fett. The star wars Episode 2: the clone wars explained how it was created.

Rise of The Empire in battlefront 2 501st Legion aka Vader's Fist :

to recoup our losses we started getting in outsiders, we never got used to the new guys.

引用自 BloodShed
引用自 Tom Macdonald
well thats not true... some how the clones managed to make a black guy in rogue one.
/smh.

Clone troopers where phased out in favour of conscripted troops not long after Sidious declared his galactic empire.

Kinda, for reasons above. (speaking from a 501st / Vader's fist perspective).
最后由 Hobbit XIII 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 12 日 下午 12:20
Talby 2024 年 6 月 12 日 下午 12:21 
Clearly it was the cost of the construction of the death star...
Xautos 2024 年 6 月 12 日 下午 1:08 
引用自 Kamiyama
Why was the Galactic Empire so weak?
I just looked up military strength of the Empire in Star Wars, and I walk away appalled.

Not by the military strength of the Empire, no. I am appalled at the Empire's total lack of military strength. The Empire was incredibly weak, and it's mind-boggling that the Empire was able to exist at all, in any capacity.

At the peak of the Galactic Empire's power, it controled 1.5 million inhabited planets, a vast galaxy-spanning territory. However for that massive and mind-boggling galaxy spanning empire, it only had:

1. A measly 25,000 star destroyers. They could keep 1 star destroyer in orbit of 0.016% of their inhabited planets.

2. A measly 20 sector armies, with each sector army consisting of 774,576 combat troops, and a total of 1,180,379 total personnel when you count support personnel. If you do the math, that means the entire Empire army consisted of 15,491,520 combat troops.

For comparison, the USA has 1.5 million combat troops. The USA alone outnumbers one Galactic Empire sector army 2 to 1.

To put this into further perspective, the 1.5 million planets that constitute the Galactic Empire are on average contributing 10 soldiers each to the Galactic armed forces.

3. The Galactic Empire under the command of Palpatine the Sith Lord, was by the numbers the most peaceful organization to exist in the entire history of the galaxy, capable of stationing only 10 soldiers on each of its worlds and could not deploy even 1 star destroyer to 99.9% of its member worlds.

4. What did the Empire spend all of it's tax money on? Clearly its military expenditures couldn't amount to more than 0.01% of its budget.

5. If any member world decided to rebel against the Empire, they could have done so easily, and with 1.5 million member worlds, statistically they should have thousands of rebellions happening at all times of every day. With no military force to speak of, they wouldn't be able to respond to any of them and it's no wonder that a rag tag group of rebels armed with old X-wing starfighters were able to win.

6. The rebellion didn't need Luke Skywalker to win. The rebellion was going to win anyway.

The emperor's fatal weakness was his arrogance, which often lead to his downfall. For all the knowledge and ability to rule the Republic in its reigning years and then convert it to the ways of the empire he wanted built, he never once planned for how a bunch of insurgents would out-manoeuvre his entire armada of ships and soldiers.

Part of the emperor's goal was aimed towards research and development, and based on the way a number of series has shown it, the empire devoted considerable resources into this field, often to the expense of other aspects within the empire.

One such project of course was the death star, a plutoid sized battle station. Something that massive with that many resources and manpower would expensive to say the least, plus operational security and secrecy. But it's also possible that the military was the way it is because it too was getting expensive to run an even bigger amount of ships, with even more competent moffs, generals and captains and even more crew under them and stormtroopers.

Consider that each ISD has about 150 spacecraft and about 60 combat ground vehicles (that includes the AT-AT). When you factor that into that 25,000 ISD's, you are looking at 3,750,000 spacecraft and 1,500,000 ground vehicles. This is not including ground based installations, asteroid bases, space installations and bases, so you could be looking at thousands if not tens of thousands more fighters and thousands more ground vehicles.

When you factor in the bases with average to good security in technology and stormtroopers, something like that can get very experience in running costs per month.

Then finally, because the empire is so massive, it's hard to keep track of everything and the whole thing would be mired in bureaucracy and red tape that it could sink an SSD in the blackness of space without a trace.
Spencer 2024 年 6 月 12 日 下午 5:36 
It was dumb for the sake of the plot, the rebels had never ending plot armor thanks to storm trooper and droid aim.

Lucas just never thought through most of it, and the people who came after thought through even less.

They only accidentally told the story where the blue hairs ruined everything in less than a generation allowing the Empire to rise again.
freemankrystina892 2024 年 6 月 12 日 下午 5:52 
引用自 Hobbit XIII
引用自 bluesky66621

That was Disney didn't keep the cannon of star wars. In reality the clones was created after bounty hunter Jango Fett. The star wars Episode 2: the clone wars explained how it was created.

Rise of The Empire in battlefront 2 501st Legion aka Vader's Fist :

to recoup our losses we started getting in outsiders, we never got used to the new guys.

引用自 BloodShed

Clone troopers where phased out in favour of conscripted troops not long after Sidious declared his galactic empire.

Kinda, for reasons above. (speaking from a 501st / Vader's fist perspective).

That was part of the game. We were talking about the star wars movie series. Star wars Episode 2: The clone wars explained it.
Sir Dookface McFerretballs 2024 年 6 月 12 日 下午 5:57 
It's called bad writing.

You wanna make people feel like the "plucky rogues" can defeat the giant galactic machine to give them a bit of hope before returning to their real-life 9 to 5 jobs as a cog in that machine.

It's all for entertainment. :marten_sip:
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