Will cat girls really exist?

[Dungeon Crawler]

Elon Musk said that they are getting closer and closer to making it a reality. ARE you excited?

[NeonNyx]

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at の投稿を引用：

I don't really think anyone here does have such burden.

"Burden of proof" is a concept meant for court-rooms & research labs.
(More-so court-rooms, as research sometimes utilizes strongly supported conjectures to further related subjects.)

It should also apply in situations of accusations but if that goes on for long enough, it'll just wind up in a court-room. (& half a dozen people will lose their jobs before that - this isn't such a situation, though.)



Yet in the very same post you contradict that statement with the following statement:


Either you're taking the stance of "I don't know" (with a "maybe" or "maybe not leaning), or you're simply taking the stance of "It's not possible". These two positions are mutually exclusive & yet both statements appear within your post.

If you want to argue strict semantics, you should at least endeavor to stay consistent about it.




I'm not really interested in people possibly creating "Apex" from the TV series "The Crossing", which is something that might happen if people start messing around with the vast unknowns in genetic alterations for recreational reasons.

(Though, more realistically to be of higher likelihood, they'd probably just create some people with degenerative illnesses & hopefully those genes wouldn't propagate into the general population & give large portions of future generations degenerative illnesses.)




I mean, we don't know that we can, but those similar experiments, that have already been conducted, make it seem plausible.

Overall, your post is pretty much my point exactly but because I muse that it might be possible (specifically because I used that word "possible") in an informal discussion about the subject, I hear that I should "prove" it (which the only way to actually prove it - instead of just running on the conjecture of "probably possible" due to similar experiments with genetics - would be to actually attempt it. As you point out, this is a wholly irresponsible thing for people to attempt.)

Every advancement in science is because someone said "what if" about something previously considered impossible, thus allowing them the motivation to even attempt it, or because someone set out to prove something, that was unproven either way, and actually succeeded (or perhaps failed if they were trying to prove the opposite).

Some things are best left unknown, though.


:seewhatyoudid:

No burden of proff applies to ALL OF REALITY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

It's basic philosophy. You're confusing it with the courtroom standard. While they are essentailly the same logic, that DOES NOT mean they are used exclusively in those realms.

Burden of proof, like all logic, is absolute. There is NOTHING it does not apply to in reality, always.

And someone DID say I had had to prove something. I was referring to and answering that point, so don't confuse that either.

Well crap this discussion has turned into something else hasn't it?

[crunchyfrog]

NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

No burden of proff applies to ALL OF REALITY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

It's basic philosophy. You're confusing it with the courtroom standard. While they are essentailly the same logic, that DOES NOT mean they are used exclusively in those realms.

Burden of proof, like all logic, is absolute. There is NOTHING it does not apply to in reality, always.

And someone DID say I had had to prove something. I was referring to and answering that point, so don't confuse that either.

Well crap this discussion has turned into something else hasn't it?

Well, epistemology and philosophy applies to everything, so it's not exactly off at a tangent.

It's not markedly different to discussing a mathematical problem and debating how you arrive at the calculation.

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

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I am quite disturbed at the fact that you wrote this whole thing over cat girls. Nice work mate

I mean, did you read it, though?

The underlying subject of this topic is the very real prospect of genetic manipulations being conducted without much regard to the unethical nature of engaging in the subject matter of experimentation merely for pleasure & amusement rather than for any practical life-saving reasons.

That underlying subject could have very real consequences. Mostly just creating miserable abominations that hate their own existence & suffer from degenerative illnesses but potentially introducing those degenerative illnesses into the public gene pool of people to reproduce with (ever heard of the CRISPR baby controversies?) ...or worse... creating a super-species that kills & enslaves the rest of us.

When it's anime, it's just a drawing - when you start to try and bring such things into real life with anything more than a headband accessory & maybe a cotton tail, it begins to have implications that reach the level of existential threat.

[NeonNyx]

Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at の投稿を引用：

NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

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I am quite disturbed at the fact that you wrote this whole thing over cat girls. Nice work mate

I mean, did you read it, though?

The underlying subject of this topic is the very real prospect of genetic manipulations being conducted without much regard to the unethical nature of engaging in the subject matter of experimentation merely for pleasure & amusement rather than for any practical life-saving reasons.

That underlying subject could have very real consequences. Mostly just creating miserable abominations that hate their own existence & suffer from degenerative illnesses but potentially introducing those degenerative illnesses into the public gene pool of people to reproduce with (ever heard of the CRISPR baby controversies?) ...or worse... creating a super-species that kills & enslaves the rest of us.

When it's anime, it's just a drawing - when you start to try and bring such things into real life with anything more than a headband accessory & maybe a cotton tail, it begins to have implications that reach the level of existential threat.


:seewhatyoudid:

If catgirl has hands and something under her skirt, I'm fine with a robotic takeover.

[NeonNyx]

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

Well crap this discussion has turned into something else hasn't it?

Well, epistemology and philosophy applies to everything, so it's not exactly off at a tangent.

It's not markedly different to discussing a mathematical problem and debating how you arrive at the calculation.

So many big boy words, which I only use in my raps, my poetry, my stories or my speeches. When it comes to math I go brain dead.

[KUMAN]

NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

Well crap this discussion has turned into something else hasn't it?

indeed lol

[crunchyfrog]

Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at の投稿を引用：

NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

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I am quite disturbed at the fact that you wrote this whole thing over cat girls. Nice work mate

I mean, did you read it, though?

The underlying subject of this topic is the very real prospect of genetic manipulations being conducted without much regard to the unethical nature of engaging in the subject matter of experimentation merely for pleasure & amusement rather than for any practical life-saving reasons.

That underlying subject could have very real consequences. Mostly just creating miserable abominations that hate their own existence & suffer from degenerative illnesses but potentially introducing those degenerative illnesses into the public gene pool of people to reproduce with (ever heard of the CRISPR baby controversies?) ...or worse... creating a super-species that kills & enslaves the rest of us.

When it's anime, it's just a drawing - when you start to try and bring such things into real life with anything more than a headband accessory & maybe a cotton tail, it begins to have implications that reach the level of existential threat.


:seewhatyoudid:

To be fair though, this is as moot and untenable as debating the fashion habits of pixies.

Until picies are first demonstrated to exist, you CANNOT get further down the pasth to talking about their fashion habits.

So you CANNOT say these creations will be anything or behave a certain way, because we cannot know if it's ever likely to even happen.

And if it were to happen through advances in genetics, then you have no idea they'd be a pitiful existence. There are many engineered creations that have been made artificially (like Dolly the Sheep) and they di not adversely have any negative effects, certainly not emotional.

[NeonNyx]

NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at の投稿を引用：

I mean, did you read it, though?

The underlying subject of this topic is the very real prospect of genetic manipulations being conducted without much regard to the unethical nature of engaging in the subject matter of experimentation merely for pleasure & amusement rather than for any practical life-saving reasons.

That underlying subject could have very real consequences. Mostly just creating miserable abominations that hate their own existence & suffer from degenerative illnesses but potentially introducing those degenerative illnesses into the public gene pool of people to reproduce with (ever heard of the CRISPR baby controversies?) ...or worse... creating a super-species that kills & enslaves the rest of us.

When it's anime, it's just a drawing - when you start to try and bring such things into real life with anything more than a headband accessory & maybe a cotton tail, it begins to have implications that reach the level of existential threat.


:seewhatyoudid:

If catgirl has hands and something under her skirt, I'm fine with a robotic takeover.

But if you really wanna go serious mode and switch my role mentally, a good example of what your talking about is brilliantly portrayed within the recent Child's Play remake. It focuses more on the what ifs of enhanced technology, and how a simple switch can determine the depravity of a robotic individual

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

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And if it were to happen through advances in genetics, then you have no idea they'd be a pitiful existence. There are many engineered creations that have been made artificially (like Dolly the Sheep) and they di not adversely have any negative effects, certainly not emotional.

Depends on how fast people try to jump from A to B or whatever letter is appropriate to assign to the "goal", here. Haste & carelessness almost always leads to bad results.

NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

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If catgirl has hands and something under her skirt, I'm fine with a robotic takeover.

Beautiful - but that's something else other than genetic manipulations & thus a second potential existential threat.

Just add global warming / climate change to the mix & you have 3 very realistic potential existential threats that loom in the not too distant future. (Add in nuclear warfare & fallout and you have 4 of them now. ...yeah... it seems extremely unlikely that we'll make it to the 22nd century. Not to mention that it's theorized that if Yellowstone were to erupt, it would also be apocalyptic.)

[(Oh, I forgot about giant meteor strikes... just big enough to end all life but possibly small enough that we can't see them coming. So that makes 6 existential threats! (*Seasame Street Count laughter* a - ha - ha!))]

[ I guess that I may as well also address this while I'm at it, since it's a fairly easy point to refute]:

NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

If catgirl has hands and something under her skirt, I'm fine with a robotic takeover.

But if you really wanna go serious mode and switch my role mentally, a good example of what your talking about is brilliantly portrayed within the recent Child's Play remake. It focuses more on the what ifs of enhanced technology, and how a simple switch can determine the depravity of a robotic individual

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYT1QfdfsM

[NeonNyx]

Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at の投稿を引用：

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

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And if it were to happen through advances in genetics, then you have no idea they'd be a pitiful existence. There are many engineered creations that have been made artificially (like Dolly the Sheep) and they di not adversely have any negative effects, certainly not emotional.

Depends on how fast people try to jump from A to B or whatever letter is appropriate to assign to the "goal", here. Haste & carelessness almost always leads to bad results.

NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

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If catgirl has hands and something under her skirt, I'm fine with a robotic takeover.

Beautiful - but that's something else other than genetic manipulations & thus a second potential existential threat.

Just add global warming / climate change to the mix & you have 3 very realistic potential existential threats that loom in the not too distant future. (Add in nuclear warfare & fallout and you have 4 of them now. ...yeah... it seems extremely unlikely that we'll make it to the 22nd century. Not to mention that it's theorized that if Yellowstone were to erupt, it would also be apocalyptic.)


:seewhatyoudid:

Global Warming is a natural process and also pretty slow. Nuclear warfare is basically playing the game of stupidity. As dumb as some of our battles are it would take a massive amount of acceptance for a nuclear war to become possible. What is there for the enemy to fight for if they aren't even going to survive? A fallout wouldn't mean end of the humans. There will likely be survivors, there are indeed nuclear bunkers in the world. Humanity will have to rebuild but it's not at all the end of it. Yellowstone erupting is like saying you became the first quadrillionare, a extremely low chance especially anytime soon. The idea of the "end of the world" will definitely happen but it's not at all something to focus on. We don't have control over it, and most likely it would all happen in a flash. People have been speaking of the end of the world for years upon years, and people predict it's going to happen every year. It's simply not something you can predict. And as far as a robotic war goes most of the super high tech wouldn't come around to the public for years, and with tech comes good things. Like how they're trying to replace America's soldiers with robots and them be controlled off the battlefield, that and endless production the US would be invincible. The only country which has that ability besides us is Japan, and they are allies anyway.

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

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Huh... that's before my update:

Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at の投稿を引用：

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[(Oh, I forgot about giant meteor strikes... just big enough to end all life but possibly small enough that we can't see them coming. So that makes 6 existential threats! (*Seasame Street Count laughter* a - ha - ha!))]

[ I guess that I may as well also address this while I'm at it, since it's a fairly easy point to refute]:

NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

But if you really wanna go serious mode and switch my role mentally, a good example of what your talking about is brilliantly portrayed within the recent Child's Play remake. It focuses more on the what ifs of enhanced technology, and how a simple switch can determine the depravity of a robotic individual

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYT1QfdfsM
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So that took you a while to write.


Anyways, simply saying "that's too unlikely to happen" to anything bad that can happen is a really bad idea because then you're not even thinking about what you can do to avoid it.
See the "Death of Baldur" myth for more insight:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Death+of+Baldur

“...the mistletoe is so small and innocent a thing that I felt it superfluous to ask it for an oath. What harm could it do to my son?”

..."what harm could it possibly do?"

Last words so famous that they are forever enshrined in myth.

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NeonNyx の投稿を引用：

. The only country which has that ability besides us is Japan, and they are allies anyway.

I am sure japan is researching catgirls. Imagine the epic teamup between elon musk and japan. Elon musk uses spacex to create an orbital cat girl research lab where he and japans best scientists create the cat girls. Cat girls in space!

[Vaxen]

Course they exist

Have you guys not seen The Cat In The Hat (2003) ?

That **** live action. They hired a catgirl to play in the movie lol

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Vaxen の投稿を引用：

Course they exist

Have you guys not seen The Cat In The Hat (2003) ?

That **** live action. They hired a catgirl to play in the movie lol

More and more evidence piles up every day and some people still choose not to believe in cat girls

[Moogal™]

Another proof that this man is a toxic troll.