woulds todays teens be able to survive without internet/phones/computers

[De Hollandse Ezel]

lets say.. some solar flare knocked all of that out..

would they still be able to think off looking up information a ensclopedia in a library?
would they still be able to think off, find and use a map
would they still know how to call others with a landline while using a phonebook to find the number?
would they still know how to write an real letter, by hand?

feel free to ask other would they still's.. after this...

[Uncle Sam]

引用自 De Hollandse Ezel：

引用自 Uncle Sam：

Plus partial or total anarchy, and the lack of antibiotics and modern medicine it's going to cause a lot of disease, among many other factors that could make the situation even more "interesting times" sort of deal

we had antibiotics and medicine just fine without internet and computers...
heck nazi build v2 rockets with bloody annalog computers.. that were essentially guided bombs...

you can do more annalog than you think..

Yes, but not on the same quantity scale neither logistics wise. A ton of industries are partially automated and do require internet and modern computers. In a best case scenario we would back to early 1900 - 1920 sort of deal probably.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

引用自 xDDD：

A solar flare strong enough to knock out internet and computers would probably knock out A LOT MORE than just those.

my bet is that cables underground are mostly fine.
all devices that were not powered on will mostly survive
electric infrastructure : almost all cables are underground those are shielded by the fact the are.. the rest of it.. the transformators and powerplants themselves... it might get a hit.. a bunch of fuses will be knocked out.. at several points.. both in houses, in travo's and in the powerplant..
but that net has massive surge protection..
my bet it.. it will mean a lot of replacing fuses (includiong the massive large ones in the big steel towers and such).. and likely a few molten cables.. replaced.. but with reasonable managble repairs the powergrid can be back and running.. not all powerplants will likely be online.. the modern ones with computers will likelyu be out a while older ones build annalog can likely be reconnected faster..
(it reallky depends on the state of your nations/regional grid and the type of powerplants how fast it can be back in the air)

most global trade can continue.. but there will be the problem.. that well who owns what stock how to pay? likely some emergency laws need to be launched of "we figure out payment later keep goods running for now"

communications.. : there is no reason why radio's should not still work.. and likely on the goverment level.. they do have shielded hardwires to keep some form of order.. and coordinate.. to prevent total chaos.. cars with speakers on them... will drive trough city's informing the people...

the banking system likely will be given after the grid HIGH priority to get back online sadly if succesfull the return to annalog fails.. but say that the internet infrastructure is hit hard enough the internet won't be back in any serious form for at least a few years..
and the capacity to make new computers is also severely reduced..

what computers still work.. likely will be used to rig up a more localised baking system old ledgers will get dug up.. it will be patchy.. likely goverments will rely on handing cash to each citycen at first.. and slowly bring on more of the banking system back online..

if enough is knocked out the internet might be gone for over a decade.. say all chjipfabs and the dutch factory that makes the machines used in those fabs is dead..

than it be quite a while before we got that back.. and without that no internet...
goverments will have no chooise but to return society at least for the time being to an 80s kind of style...

likely those civillians who had their computers turned off and in a shielded enough house at the time of the flash will be required to hand them in.. to aid in the rebuilding..

all satelites most defenitly would be gone...

likely most in western nations would survive...
but not all nations would.. global trade would slow down and some need that REALLY for food import..

i also worry what such a surge would do to nucllear powerplants and missile silos

[vkobe]

引用自 De Hollandse Ezel：

引用自 vkobe：

yes, but unfortunaly internet work like oil and electricity humanity were able to live withouth them for several thousands years, but now good luck if you rid that, you going to create chaos in our society, it is not only teen, but even at work we use internet, we turn to be junky with our technology

i dont want imagine future with AI when someone like you will ask in 2050 woulds todays teens be able to survive without AI and robot

I very much yearn to return to an annalog world..
while i might say going full amish is pushing it too fark.. a "no internet" world.. I would likely prefer..
some computers and electronic apliances I apreciate..

and I think that the world of say the 80s.. before networking and internet became so dominant would mostly survive a solarflare...
sure it would cause some disturbance.. a few powernodes knocked out... a few university servers down.. but it would not be a deadly stroke..

today.. yeah to much of the old annalog world is already been torn down..
like annalog tv.. no longer in the air..
old annalog phones? nope.. there is no longer a signal over the line..
if you still want a landline phone you need a modem... and a voip phone..
the old ones with buttons or rotory disks that used the annalog phoneline that was powered independently.. and worked even with power out.. is no more..

sorry man but in 2024 internet is equivalent to electricity in 1950

it is too late to back pré internet era like it is too late to back pré electricty era

you going to create major economic chaos and major uprising in the world, the worm is in the apple, too much people put 99% of their economy in equivalent to online system

in near future someone like you going to ask same question for AI and robot, we are cursed with our own technology

we are not like our ancestors, our ancestors can live without modern technology, but human from 2024 i dont think so for 90% of them, you need different mentallity to live like old hell day, i dont see someone born in 21 century, grow in 21 century and educated by the 21 century being able to live like his ancestor from 19 century

even us from 20 century it will be hard to say farewell to 21 century technology, i see so much old people older than me being stuck to their smartphone and equivalent to facebook

sorry but technology is humanity drug and we are junky with that

[Xero_Daxter]

I would still be cosplaying and hanging out. Just on a local level.

[Goose]

i'd be pissed but yeah i can do all of those now-outdated things.

i know how to read a map and use a compass (i've a small cartography hobby)
i know how to read (contrary to popular belief)
i know how to use a landline telephone, but that's a useless skill if a solar flare happens because what phones are going to work without electronics, OP? 🙃
i know how to drive stick. but again, useless when electronics are wiped out by a solar flare, as you say.
and i could figure out how to send a letter through the postal system. though letters will take weeks to reach anyone because, yknow, cars don't work any more. (except for the ones manufactured like a million years ago.)

people aren't stupid because they can't use objectively outdated technology, there's very little reason to have these skills unless you're a doomsday prepper or simply interested in old tech.

[Goose]

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引用自 Abaddon the Despoiler：

Probably not.

Extremely simple skills like reading a map, reading an analogue clock and tying shoelaces are dying out.

I haven't noticed any of that. People can read maps a lot easier, people use maps more than ever its just digital, Wouldn't be hard to apply that to a paper map.

Not being able to read an analogue clock was gen z trolling - they can read clocks. You're the fool for believing that.

"the little hand points to the hour, the big hand points to the minute, and the narrow hand points to the seconds."

is that too difficult? (hint: nah)

[De Hollandse Ezel]

引用自 Goose：

引用自 >:(：

I haven't noticed any of that. People can read maps a lot easier, people use maps more than ever its just digital, Wouldn't be hard to apply that to a paper map.

Not being able to read an analogue clock was gen z trolling - they can read clocks. You're the fool for believing that.

"the little hand points to the hour, the big hand points to the minute, and the narrow hand points to the seconds."

is that too difficult? (hint: nah)

I do know how to read a binary clock... those are fun to confuse guests with;)

I wonder what generation would get that one faster;)

you know a clock thats reads like

- - - * - -
- - * - - -
* * - - - *
- * * - * -

[De Hollandse Ezel]

but really many people who drive car today.. once their navigation fails drive idiotic..

it's like they drove this route 100 times but somehow enevr memorised is HOW??

also.. the need to go from this city to that city.. where is there mindmap.. aka the map with they layout of city's in their head.. how can they take a highway going to a city that lies like on the totally wrong side of the country.. the know roughly where they need to go and what city's are their.. topgrafic knowledge in your mind not?

and even if you give people a map.. many people find it extremely difficult to basicly dicover where they are and where to go.. so used that their navigation system does all that..

if I see adult idiots like that.. I fear for todays teens...

if you are so used to just ask siri a question and get the answer.. or google the wiki..
mean they might be totally inept in looking up an answer in an ensclopedia..
they never have needed to use a ledger.. and loop up the topic alfabetically like that..

basic cooking.. same thing.. I have had students who when the internet was out could not even cook the most basic dishes they done 100 times.. while sure EXACT measurements they might not remember.. but they were not even close .. like to them cooking an egg could be 6 hours.. " I alkways set an app timer... "

they are just not trained to remember ANYTHING..

they are very skilled in looking up info I admit as a teacher I still not know how chatgdp works.. foir me just typing the stuff myself is easier...

give them a laptop and me and a quiz and likely they will find the answers faster than me.. but I will have to look up less answers by just knowing them anyway from memory..

[xDDD]

引用自 De Hollandse Ezel：

引用自 xDDD：

A solar flare strong enough to knock out internet and computers would probably knock out A LOT MORE than just those.

my bet is that cables underground are mostly fine.
all devices that were not powered on will mostly survive
electric infrastructure : almost all cables are underground those are shielded by the fact the are.. the rest of it.. the transformators and powerplants themselves... it might get a hit.. a bunch of fuses will be knocked out.. at several points.. both in houses, in travo's and in the powerplant..
but that net has massive surge protection..
my bet it.. it will mean a lot of replacing fuses (includiong the massive large ones in the big steel towers and such).. and likely a few molten cables.. replaced.. but with reasonable managble repairs the powergrid can be back and running.. not all powerplants will likely be online.. the modern ones with computers will likelyu be out a while older ones build annalog can likely be reconnected faster..

Pretty much 0% of high-voltage transmission lines are underground. All electricity that travels throughout all of our nations is above-ground (and unshielded) at some point during transit. I would reckon that a significant portion of those, if not all of them, would be SEVERELY damaged.

And yeah the transformers and substations would probably get ravaged and most of those are built-to-order and take a long time to build so it isn't like they really have spare transformers/substations lying around. If those are irreparably fried then it's pretty much GG for large portions of the power grid.
I don't know enough about Power Plants but I'd reckon they'd get decimated too.


Honestly it's all hypothetical anyways since we don't know how a bad solar flare would really go down. Our closest comparison was the Carrington event but the world was very different back then.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

引用自 xDDD：

引用自 De Hollandse Ezel：

my bet is that cables underground are mostly fine.
all devices that were not powered on will mostly survive
electric infrastructure : almost all cables are underground those are shielded by the fact the are.. the rest of it.. the transformators and powerplants themselves... it might get a hit.. a bunch of fuses will be knocked out.. at several points.. both in houses, in travo's and in the powerplant..
but that net has massive surge protection..
my bet it.. it will mean a lot of replacing fuses (includiong the massive large ones in the big steel towers and such).. and likely a few molten cables.. replaced.. but with reasonable managble repairs the powergrid can be back and running.. not all powerplants will likely be online.. the modern ones with computers will likelyu be out a while older ones build annalog can likely be reconnected faster..

Pretty much 0% of high-voltage transmission lines are underground. All electricity that travels throughout all of our nations is above-ground (and unshielded) at some point during transit. I would reckon that a significant portion of those, if not all of them, would be SEVERELY damaged.

And yeah the transformers and substations would probably get ravaged and most of those are built-to-order and take a long time to build so it isn't like they really have spare transformers/substations lying around. If those are irreparably fried then it's pretty much GG for large portions of the power grid.
I don't know enough about Power Plants but I'd reckon they'd get decimated too.


Honestly it's all hypothetical anyways since we don't know how a bad solar flare would really go down. Our closest comparison was the Carrington event but the world was very different back then.

indeed very different.. but we just know another will eventually hit.. and likely at elast knock out many satelites.. what else it will fryu we willl see..

if lucky they see the thing coming in advance... so they can quickly shut down a lot of stuff..

in my nation a zizable chunk of the 100k voilt lines are underground (they go underground before they meet the first travo, but granded a few have a 100k line coming from above)

the travo are biuildings above ground.. but ALL 10k lines going out are underground

2d travos that convert 10k to 230 gets its 10k line underground and sends its 230 lines underground..

you than have small gray boxes in neihbourhoods not higher than 10 meter.. and made of steel.. with 1 230 cable coming in... and a bunch of lines going underground...

those lines will underground go to houses.. and enter them... from underground..

meaning the most likely poiints of knockout..
-where they enter houses (fuses blown)
-those gray boxes : mechanical fuses.. can be reset
-those 2d travohouses (surge fuses.. will be blown but are made with a large surge protect as they are ment to be able to take multiple simultanois lihhing hits and not burn out..)
-that 1st gen travehouse... (also surgeprotected) with VERY large fuses.. those are harder to replacer..

those 100v powermasts above ground.. have arge ceamic isolators.. and VERY thick cables.. unlikely any of those will fail lightnigh strikes no problem in them... any surge would travel trough those wires to either end...

the powerstation.. here 100v cables come from underground where the power is made and go up to those big masts.. while sure there too surge protectos against lightning exists.. meaning the connection get cut likely... on that end.. (fuse blown)

now the generators in the powerplant.. those could independently be hit.. and any computers running the plant too.. that part likely be the hardest to replace..

so at least in my nation where the grid is relatively well maintained... we likely will have the grid up and running soon.. but many powerplants will be out...
it be the power generation part.. that will be problematic to get back running alll those plants likely use computers...

[isomorphic_projection]

引用自 xDDD：

A solar flare strong enough to knock out internet and computers would probably knock out A LOT MORE than just those.

Would not know, maybe it erases your short term memory. Maybe even everything.

I know that birds would drop dead from the skies, their brains would get fried due to the magnetite, in their brain.

[Dracoco OwO]

I can do all these things but i would have 0 interest in most of these as much as i already doesn't now with internet.

[TGC> The Games Collector]

HAH, as if the adults would fare any better.

It's not just teens that have their face stuck to their portable screen.

[Goldias]

Library is still used... Rarely by teens so a few would know.
Map and compass, probably not. Not that there are many local printed map nowadays when people just use phone instead.
If solar flare struct I'd think the old fashion telephone would be out as well.
And writing is still common enough. Their handwriting is another thing though.

I'd say the worst thing that can happen in a no internet world would be... Manual documentation. You print everything on paper, keep it in an old fashion folder and container, with no search option.

Newer generation would not be able to categorize them efficiently.

[Kobs]

Since now everything (or almost) revolves around internet and it's gadgets, it's hard not to be dependent... at any age