Yskas 2024 年 3 月 1 日 下午 12:19
How much control does SweetBaby have?
It seems the company has ties with Valve, and earlier I saw their employees basically instructing Valve to destroy someone's Steam account for the most arbitrary bs imaginable.

Little worried these influential clowns could go on unhinged rampages and cost regular people lifetime's worth of Steam accounts. :csgo_dead:

Edit: Honestly, I'd be happy if Valve publicly told this company to go pound sand from any business relationship they have for attacking its customers and abusing mass reporting. Mildly alarmed that Valve did nothing.

Edit: The Group is now at >100k followers, people have spoken. Bless the person who came up with Steam curation and Valve's commitment to upholding transparency, I hope the company holds these values for generations of gamers to come.
最後修改者:Yskas; 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 10:38
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Chika Ogiue 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 6:39 
引用自 Start_Running
Yeah. they can change the name but the names iof the people involved will stay the same. Pretty much I think their target client base is gonna start getting a bit more discerning on who they hire as narrative consultants and pay closer attention to track records.

But that's easily fixed, too. Individual employees will be advised not to divulge their involvement with the "new" company. Any listings in game credits will be the company name only, etc. Plenty of ways to remain in business as is.

Honestly, I don't see anything changing from this anyway. That company might vanish, but games aren't magically going to become something different as a result. The problems people have with modern gaming run far deeper than just one ultimately insignificant consulting agency.
Start_Running 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 6:46 
引用自 Chika Ogiue
引用自 Start_Running
Yeah. they can change the name but the names iof the people involved will stay the same. Pretty much I think their target client base is gonna start getting a bit more discerning on who they hire as narrative consultants and pay closer attention to track records.

But that's easily fixed, too. Individual employees will be advised not to divulge their involvement with the "new" company.
And you think businesses/companies, organizatiosn don't do some background checking?
A blank slate can be just as bad, if not worse than a bad rap in many cases.

"What can you do for us?"
"Who have you done this for already?"
"Where can i see examples of your work?"

Those three questiosn will invariably come up and if you're going to be a consultant you better have GOOD answers.

And let us not forget. Industry blacklists are a thing.

引用自 Chika Ogiue
Honestly, I don't see anything changing from this anyway. That company might vanish, but games aren't magically going to become something different as a result. The problems people have with modern gaming run far deeper than just one ultimately insignificant consulting agency.
Considering the impact was on a minimal minority of games to begin with yeah.
I think its more that gamers just need to judge things as they are and not based on the names of people involved.
Sasori Kigaru 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 7:05 
引用自 lankaras
引用自 Sasori Kigaru

Well I was replying to Sungoddess, my reply also implies/shows my agreement with Tito. Apart from that? Watching this thread, occasionally giving my two cents in others.

Yes, you implied that they were right by making up a psychoanalysis about the other people. I see people doing that a lot these days, and it is almost always just a way to dismiss the others and support their own stance. As far as I can see, who is right or wrong here hasn't been established at all. There's just opinions and we are discussing them.

I've read all the replies in this thread, including yours and thus having done that I am in agreement with Tito. This is simply my opinion hence why I can disagree with your stance, and agree with Tito's while you and everyone else is free to make their own decisions on the matter.

I'm not sure where the whole psychoanalysis thing came from, I don't know you enough nor have I talked to you at all save for now. I haven't even talked to Tito much save for the occasional response to things he's stated in other threads so I definitely don't know him enough to do any kind of "psychoanalysis"

In this case, my opinion stems from how you and Tito provided and discussed your stances. I disagreed with your take on things, and agreed with his. Helps that he is very good at explaining his points.
William Shakesman 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 7:11 
引用自 Doctor Zalgo
引用自 lankaras

Um no that's not what it means, because that doesn't explain you mentioning women.

Yes it does.

If I make a product for men, I have X potential customers.

If I tweak the formula so women like it, I have twice as many potential customers (even if I lose some men who liked the original formula.)
Considering again how many women play Nikke and Azur Lane, I don't think we're ACTUALLY tweaking formulas for women when this is done but simply letting a few spiteful people act out their grudges on the industry.

It's already bad enough people are drawing their entire view of morality on whether corporations make a profit off it than whether the product is good, but, when people you don't like have beef with corporations it's only natural for folks to run to their defense. But now the assumption is that everything they do MUST be perfectly rational. (Except when it makes them mad of course, like with Elon Musk, then it's just one crazy guy lol.)
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Start_Running 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 7:47 
引用自 William Shakesman
引用自 Doctor Zalgo

Yes it does.

If I make a product for men, I have X potential customers.

If I tweak the formula so women like it, I have twice as many potential customers (even if I lose some men who liked the original formula.)
Considering again how many women play Nikke and Azur Lane, I don't think we're ACTUALLY tweaking formulas for women when this is done but simply letting a few spiteful people act out their grudges on the industry.

It's already bad enough people are drawing their entire view of morality on whether corporations make a profit off it than whether the product is good, but, when people you don't like have beef with corporations it's only natural for folks to run to their defense. But now the assumption is that everything they do MUST be perfectly rational. (Except when it makes them mad of course, like with Elon Musk, then it's just one crazy guy lol.)
Not to mention that philosophy has been tried in the movie industry.
She Hulk, The Marvels, Madame Web....
I mean the list goes on.

Howevber when you have something that is made for women from the ground up...you get the Barbie movie. And oh look ...a film that made bank.
76561198342078903 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 7:56 
If Sweet Baby inc already has ties inside valve maybe it's already over
. 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 8:09 
I am Sweetbaby McWoke and I am now omega woke it's wokever everyone gaming died today on April 20 42069
Yskas 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 8:43 
引用自 Ban Sweet Baby Inc
If Sweet Baby inc already has ties inside valve maybe it's already over
There will always be SweetBaby hustles, even if this one goes away, there will be ten waiting in the hall to force their way into the door.

It's all about trust, I trust Valve with my Steam account and my money, it's a special relationship, a lifelong one, companies like these, who seemingly hunt Steam accounts and act like consequence-immune barbarians publicly while being professionally associated with Valve create uncertainty and even their presence indirectly erodes trust I have in Steam as a proper independent institution, I'd be happy if Valve zealously fought for the user and nothing else, I'd be very happy if Valve made this clear as day.

So you can be militant woke and be an activist and do anything you want as a company and that's awesome, power to all of you, steer things into directions where half of Steam gets permabanned over social media rows because why not, that's great, but do give people a heads up so they can start planning ahead for the future.

These past years I've seen very big, successful (Perhaps not so much these days) companies in the industry, full of smart, educated people, tell the user (customers already embedded in their ecosystems) to their face to "not buy the product if they didn't like it", they basically told their customers to pound sand if they didn't like products suddenly not built for them anymore, damned be the financial consequences (there were, there still are.)

I don't want to be around this platform, or at least spending money and transferring leverage on it, the day Valve starts doing this too because it seems a natural evolution of getting into bed with the SweetBaby's of the world.

My message to Valve is, you know, it's like with zombies, even if the person is your best friend and you've known this person for decades, if they start twitching, you have to shoot, there's just no other way.
最後修改者:Yskas; 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 9:12
Rodrius 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 9:23 
引用自 sungoddess14
引用自 Wheeledrazor




i do agree with you on the management side but in all honesty nobody can argue that the comic book industry , gaming industry ,western anime industry and western film and entertainment industry hasn't dramatically moved over to the far left of politics the last 5/10 years and we are seeing all of those industries loosing a lot of money and fans. its cant just be one big coincidence.

It's not a conspiracy. It's simple. Very simple. "X did Y, X made lot of money, so if we do Y, we'll make a lot of money. Hey, look at this money we made! Y is the way to go." Companies chased the almighty dollar, while "consulting firms" with more ego than power cropped up and started to lay claim to the fact that they were the ones who caused this.The reason why things are falling apart isn't because "Y is failing! It's proof that my side has been right this entire time" like so many people are trying to say.

The real reason is simple: Most viewers aren't stupid. No one reasonable is going to take a look at a black woman being the lead and say that it's woke or some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. But if that black woman is super special and can do no wrong and everyone doubts her because she's a woman and all she needed to do was believe in herself and girl power... ugh as a woman and as a writer that made me sick to write out... but I digress, if people write that... then people will get fed up with it. Because it's not something anyone reasonable can identify with.

The problem with women and minorities in the big media companies, and I say this as a woman is that a woman character is written to be representative of all women. A minority character is written to be representative of all people of that minority. And in doing so, the writers make them super special mary sues that can do no wrong and really only needed to go through a shonen power up by learning that all they needed to do was believe in themselves, because the power was inside them the entire time.

Such tales will work in the short term, but there's a reason why the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hero's journey has been a thing for thousands of years. There's a reason why for thousands of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ years characters have been flawed. Because we as people are flawed, because we as people find characters we can relate to fascinating. We don't like boring mary sues who have a perfect life except for one tiny thing wrong in their life that the author is desperately trying to tell us is a character flaw.

That is why all this crap has been falling apart and failing lately, because it's samey, it's formulaic, and it's poorly written.

Thats an interesting comment, I can partially disagree with you but sure when exist the goal to include a character to represent a group to praise the group, it carry a tendency to a propagandist "art", think about this is a good advice to everyone who wants understand the woke and any kind of poor characters problem. I as someone trying to write... I feel happy to think about the risky of just add characters as primarily "solve gaps" objects or ideology ego trips to represent my ideals... In other hand I agree with people saying all arts crises where we see woke as a major cause is more than that, is funded by some powerfull groups, an agenda, because they are just keep doing the oldest thing in human politics: Divide to conquer, always inducing the new generation to distrust their parents as ignorant/selfish and follow a politicall agenda that, as always, will turn this generation most enslaved, dependent by powerfull ones. State/corporations(friends of state) always promoted progressive changes to grow state regulatory power. They will give people money who came from this same people by printing money and rasing taxation it guarantees that people will side with the state in the goal to turn middle class poor, then now the igualitary poored people cant ascend to be a treat to the powerfull state and state allied big corporate power. The pattern in the world history until today Rússia, China is: If even a billionary try to do politics his own way against the bureaucrats, he disappears. Wokeness is just a way to a end: A weapon to turn a half-capitalist society into a socialist(dictatorship) where people is resentfull of society, family and money and then outsiders cant acumulate power, people dont own resources and social trust to fight against the dictatorship. Thats the history of socialism and I was one. People think in conspiracies as new and specific things, but always was just one, the most easy and logic one ever: Manipulate each young generation. Nothing is more ego praisyng to young fools than say: "Hey young, you are morally supperion than your hipocrit fascist parents, follow me we will fix their fault and save the world! You will be a hero by being rebel!" THATS is the worst about wokeness.
Chika Ogiue 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 9:58 
引用自 Start_Running
And you think businesses/companies, organizatiosn don't do some background checking?
A blank slate can be just as bad, if not worse than a bad rap in many cases.

"What can you do for us?"
"Who have you done this for already?"
"Where can i see examples of your work?"

Those three questiosn will invariably come up and if you're going to be a consultant you better have GOOD answers.

And let us not forget. Industry blacklists are a thing.

You're putting too much faith into suits. Questions 2 and 3 are easily negated with three simple letters:
N D A

And question 1 is easily answered.

Hell, I often get asked 2 and 3 in my line of work and the answer is always: I cannot answer that due to contractual reasons and non-disclosure agreements but I can happily submit a trial based on your material. Clients will provide trial material, and I get hired. In other words, in many industry circles, it's not past examples that speak volumes, it's what you do directly for the client that talks. Any client serious about hiring you will always put you through a trial first even if you DO provide prior examples.
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MadBone12 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 10:24 
引用自 76561198001737114
These mental sick wokie militants ruined gaming for everyone.
it is not enough just not to buy their games. They must be jailed for life and all their money should be confiscated.
And, pay atention, i am from South America. We latins do not want this ♥♥♥♥ made in our name.
Screw your "diversity". I want to see normal people in games. No political agenda messages.
I want a normal white strong hetero hero to play.
This is ALL USA PEOPLE's FAULT!
We from South America DO NOT ACCEPT wokie games trying to "represent minorities". Me and everyone i know from my country just HATE that. But in USA people accept that, and that is why they keep this agenda to "try to change your mind".
The problem is that we have to swallow all that USA produces, since all developers go to there to earn more, and WE hate more the wokie agenda than YOU from USA does.
This is something FORCED into us, i want to open games and advertising WITHOUT DIVERSITY, they consider it a TOOL to control public mind. Well, i do not want my mind controlled, we want to see NORMAL PEOPLE AND NORMAL BEHAVIOUR in games. I just hope i could see WOKIE PEOPLE BEING THE KILLING TARGETS IN GAME, that would be a GREAT SELLING GAME!

South America has some of the most vibrant and active human rights movements in the world (now and in the past), including those focused on women's rights, ending racism etc. So try again with this ahistorical nonsense.

ETA: thanks for the points! Keep them coming
最後修改者:MadBone12; 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 10:33
Rodrius 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 10:50 
引用自 Yskas
引用自 Ban Sweet Baby Inc
If Sweet Baby inc already has ties inside valve maybe it's already over
There will always be SweetBaby hustles, even if this one goes away, there will be ten waiting in the hall to force their way into the door.

It's all about trust, I trust Valve with my Steam account and my money, it's a special relationship, a lifelong one, companies like these, who seemingly hunt Steam accounts and act like consequence-immune barbarians publicly while being professionally associated with Valve create uncertainty and even their presence indirectly erodes trust I have in Steam as a proper independent institution, I'd be happy if Valve zealously fought for the user and nothing else, I'd be very happy if Valve made this clear as day.

So you can be militant woke and be an activist and do anything you want as a company and that's awesome, power to all of you, steer things into directions where half of Steam gets permabanned over social media rows because why not, that's great, but do give people a heads up so they can start planning ahead for the future.

These past years I've seen very big, successful (Perhaps not so much these days) companies in the industry, full of smart, educated people, tell the user (customers already embedded in their ecosystems) to their face to "not buy the product if they didn't like it", they basically told their customers to pound sand if they didn't like products suddenly not built for them anymore, damned be the financial consequences (there were, there still are.)

I don't want to be around this platform, or at least spending money and transferring leverage on it, the day Valve starts doing this too because it seems a natural evolution of getting into bed with the SweetBaby's of the world.

My message to Valve is, you know, it's like with zombies, even if the person is your best friend and you've known this person for decades, if they start twitching, you have to shoot, there's just no other way.

We expect business to be logic and loyal to customers who by long time had bough from they, but humans have the trait where they had built and FALL ALL great empires, always doing by long time a sequency of MANY bizarre acts that when you read history you start to question: Hey, they become to hate theirselves? They did It intentionally?! ... And sadly it applies even to small institutions like business and even families.
Then, absurds happens. Just look by what some big game companies recently did destroing their credibility and banning mile players like CA did, or the exactly subject here: SBI owner attacked the curator in a so evil way that it started a disaster to them. When people in society decay in delusional ideas about itself, by being bad informed, business as any entite can go bizarrely wrong. Steam yet did It in a event calling us latinos as latinx's, a extremelly unpopular bad marketing, Steam can do worst, like a confused pilot can do all wrong and find the way to crush a modern and powerfull airplane. Many people are confused about many things now, as google losing 90Bi in one day by Gemini crazyness woke... Many people cant even answer "what is a woman?" or "How much genders exist?" Then, we can feel betrayed by companies who we know the big majority of customers think like us against the demonization of males, etc and we had put alot of money buiyng from them. But probably someones will still find the way to destroy in days the credibility that required years to built. I hope Steam be wise about reality, Gabe have a great reputation, If he keeps loyal to customers he will feel the duty to humility to study the woke trouble personally and dont hurt Steam in the way Disney and so many business are falling. But not few human societies really entered in blindness of reality in history and as a game lover, I can't take wokeness in games as a "ok" thing, wokeness is evil, the most autoritharian abusive disrespect against gamers in history and we should not ignore its endless malice to rewrite everything as wrong and inferior to their fake virtude signal. We know games never was by pattern racist, sexist and whatsoever and we never should let what we love fall in lies.
inpurpleshadows 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 10:53 
This thread is full of the dumbest takes I've read all day. And that goes for both parties.
Yskas 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 11:48 
引用自 inpurpleshadows
This thread is full of the dumbest takes I've read all day. And that goes for both parties.
I mean, any genuine community driven solution to broader industry existential problems won't be pretty, coherent, smart or sugar coated, just be grateful it's happening, at least.

Unless of course all of this was initiated by publishers contracting PR firms in order to urgently get away from these kind of companies without publicly doing so as they've proven to be largely financially ruinous, I'd also buy that.

The industry at large just went through massive layoffs, signalling an urgent need for change from Publishers as the current way of doing things clearly wasn't making investors happy, the timing of this weekend and current trends is a little bit suspicious.
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Rodrius 2024 年 3 月 4 日 上午 12:11 
引用自 MadBone12
引用自 76561198001737114
These mental sick wokie militants ruined gaming for everyone.
it is not enough just not to buy their games. They must be jailed for life and all their money should be confiscated.
And, pay atention, i am from South America. We latins do not want this ♥♥♥♥ made in our name.
Screw your "diversity". I want to see normal people in games. No political agenda messages.
I want a normal white strong hetero hero to play.
This is ALL USA PEOPLE's FAULT!
We from South America DO NOT ACCEPT wokie games trying to "represent minorities". Me and everyone i know from my country just HATE that. But in USA people accept that, and that is why they keep this agenda to "try to change your mind".
The problem is that we have to swallow all that USA produces, since all developers go to there to earn more, and WE hate more the wokie agenda than YOU from USA does.
This is something FORCED into us, i want to open games and advertising WITHOUT DIVERSITY, they consider it a TOOL to control public mind. Well, i do not want my mind controlled, we want to see NORMAL PEOPLE AND NORMAL BEHAVIOUR in games. I just hope i could see WOKIE PEOPLE BEING THE KILLING TARGETS IN GAME, that would be a GREAT SELLING GAME!

South America has some of the most vibrant and active human rights movements in the world (now and in the past), including those focused on women's rights, ending racism etc. So try again with this ahistorical nonsense.

ETA: thanks for the points! Keep them coming

Sorry baby(Sweet Baby...), South América is much more conservative than North América and Europe, Corporate Media manipulated alot but internet(social networks) showed to people that their tradicional ideas was more alive than ever, resulting in Bolsonaro(a week ago he put 2 millions people to a protest), Bukele and now Milei(Argentina), all this leaders absolutely pro life(no abortion), Sorry, not your concept about "human rights" and "womans"(Hey, what is a woman for you? If you can specify). Milei is so popular in Argentina and is cutting all privilegies from minorities as he was elect promising that everyone will have the same right under the law, thats what people is requaring.

Sorry but South America is not in the path to sexist division but going out this. As a South American myself and the majority I know, we never needed "representation" in any art or game, everyone knows wokeness is a USA insanity and its falling for good of humanity.
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