Why Doesn't VALVe Do Anything about "Loli" Anime Content?

[The Fountain of Knowledge]

Search up Steam groups (and other stuff like that on Steam) with that word right now. Every group about that stuff looks pretty concerning, lightly put.

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Many things, not even covertly, OPENLY hint at THAT stuff while being all very popular. How is this even remotely acceptable??? Groups with names like "[...] Appreciators" shouldn't have a place on Steam.

Period.

[ℭycaleo]

Xero_Daxter původně napsal:

Synburn původně napsal:

I see it the same way as with computer games: it's not real and doesn't harm anyone. I don't feel bad at all about setting someone on fire during "Postal 2." But I'm still ashamed of the fact that I bothered a bird as a child. Because it was real.

There are certainly things that go too far, but I don't see how it can harm anyone because it's not real.

B-But it will make the person do it in real life.

I'll never burn a human in real life, but I enjoyed Postal 2.

[Goldias]

Probably because they have enough brain to know that no child got violate and that people can have different taste.
Most FPS player don't go around mass shooting people, people who play anime games also don't go around molesting kids.

If anything, irl childen is just disgusting and annoying as hell. Why would anyone want to be near them is beyond me.

[Pierce Dalton]

Synburn původně napsal:

I see it the same way as with computer games: it's not real and doesn't harm anyone. I don't feel bad at all about setting someone on fire during "Postal 2." But I'm still ashamed of the fact that I bothered a bird as a child. Because it was real.

There are certainly things that go too far, but I don't see how it can harm anyone because it's not real.

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

Well, she doesn't look like a 14yo girl to me.

Wait, 14yo girls can't be nurses anyway.

Fact is it's not just women who are affected. Is it any less bad if an older woman has an erotic effect on children?

Well, I assume that you're talking about the children watching the cartoon. That's an entirely different topic so I'll just say this: it's up to the parents to monitor and choose what their children watch. Honestly, though, I see no harm there, as long as there's no nudity it's fair game. And some moms dress just like that! LOL

[Scorpion]

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

Me neither, I was just mentioning an example to demonstrate that beauty is subjective.

But I do take issue with people that feel attracted by the image of minors, whether it is a real photo or "just art".

Your self-perceived images as of supposedly being minors, you mean.

Did you know that in Asia specifically, 40 year old women look like twenty and adult girls, look and sound as if being minors? Do you know that most asians are slim, slender, petite and younger looking?

From where exactly does your "entitlement" stems? And why do you have to be so racist, when people from such cultures and with such physical characteristics, depict similar forms in art?

Last but not least, how exactly you earned the "privilege", to come down crushing on those who like and admire that tone? Especially since the latter, never meddled with your own ticks and clicks? Who appointed you "sheriff" -and at a worldwide scale, at that-? Is that an all inclusive aspect of the "good Democratorc" image, or something?

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

They are drawings. No actual children are exploited. So anime loli is legal.

[Tito Shivan]

lankaras původně napsal:

They are drawings. No actual children are exploited. So anime loli is legal.

I actually read a dissertation on the subject and it depends. That's why legislation varies in this subject amongst countries.

The core of the question is which thing is the law aiming to protect? If a law is aimed to protect children... Well drawings are no actual children thus they wouldn't be covered by said law. As it happens in some conutries.

But a law may be aimed to protect childhood. And in that regard as a representation of childhood they can actually be made illegal. As it happens in other ones.

Think of it as like a law against the burning of the national flag. They are not made to protect flags, as they're objects, don't have feelings, but the concept they represent.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

But a law may be aimed to protect childhood. And in that regard as a representation of childhood they can actually be made illegal. As it happens in other ones.

Protecting childhood? What does that even mean? A loli is a drawing of a child, not of childhood.

Idk why you are even saying this, everything *can* be made illegal. But the fact is that it is not.

[Tito Shivan]

lankaras původně napsal:

Idk why you are even saying this, everything *can* be made illegal. But the fact is that it is not.

That's going to depend on the laws of the place. Which is what Steam has to abide to. Regardless of personal opinions on the subject.

I wouldn't mind a second having all of it gone off Steam, personally.

[Bleurei]

lankaras původně napsal:

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

But a law may be aimed to protect childhood. And in that regard as a representation of childhood they can actually be made illegal. As it happens in other ones.

Protecting childhood? What does that even mean? A loli is a drawing of a child, not of childhood.

Idk why you are even saying this, everything *can* be made illegal. But the fact is that it is not.

Isn't the term "loli" describe as people attracted to prepubescent children?
A drawing of a child is just a drawing of a child. Why would it be called a loli?

edit : I did some research. Dunno if it's true. Apparently it is a term for a drawing of "an adult with child-like figure"

'Lolicon' is where the adults being attracted to minors.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

lankaras původně napsal:

Idk why you are even saying this, everything *can* be made illegal. But the fact is that it is not.

That's going to depend on the laws of the place. Which is what Steam has to abide to. Regardless of personal opinions on the subject.

I wouldn't mind a second having all of it gone off Steam, personally.

OP mentioned the Steam rules, "exploiting minors" specifically. So that's what I was responding to.

I'm sure everyone has a list of things they won't mind to have gone. But wanting to enforce it is quite another matter.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

Bleurei původně napsal:

lankaras původně napsal:

Protecting childhood? What does that even mean? A loli is a drawing of a child, not of childhood.

Idk why you are even saying this, everything *can* be made illegal. But the fact is that it is not.

Isn't the term "loli" describe as people attracted to prepubescent children?
A drawing of a child is just a drawing of a child. Why would it be called a loli?

edit : I did some research. Dunno if it's true. Apparently it is a term for a drawing of "an adult with child-like figure"

'Lolicon' is where the adults being attracted to minors.

By that definition, lots of anime characters would be considered loli. At least in the eyes of people who have never seen what anime lolis look like.

I thought the meaning was more like the opposite, a kid but sexualized. I wouldn't think it strange if drawings of kids in sexual acts were forbidden. But drawings of kids altogether? That's a bit problematic. Sexy kids? But when is it sexy?

Attraction does not necessarily mean sexual. So lolicon might be innocent in theory.

[Tito Shivan]

lankaras původně napsal:

By that definition, lots of anime characters would be considered loli.

Take a look at Australian legislation. IIRC it was very hard on this regard.

[Njord]

lankaras původně napsal:

They are drawings. No actual children are exploited. So anime loli is legal.

Try that excuse in Australia and you will be behind bars real soon.
Same for Ecuador, Ireland, Italy, Canada, France, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, South africa. South Korea, Switzerland, The UK, and even Russia

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

Take a look at Australian legislation. IIRC it was very hard on this regard.

Australia got a zero tolerance stance on that stuff they even went so far as to ban pictures of small breasted women in pron to make sure they cant try to get their rocks off that way

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

If you don't like it, and it is illegal, then report it to the police/government.

Or... Stop looking for it.

[Adversary]

…Ever notice that these types never raise a fuss over shota? Could it be the same double standard that leads to female pedophiles and sexual predators getting a slap on the wrist in comparison IRL? To the point where male victims of childhood sex abuse such as myself are told to be "grateful" that they "got any" to begin with?

No, it couldn't possibly be. Not in a million years. It totally isn't a double standard. And I'm totally not being sarcastic in the slightest here.

There's a reason why people who raise the manner of fuss that OP is raising have a greater than normal chance of winding up on the sex offender's registry for predating upon children or being in possession of actual CSAM. Which according to the FBI does not include drawings and in fact, you report cartoons to the FBI and they can and will tell you to ♥♥♥♥ off and stop wasting their time and resources.

Albeit in probably a more cordial manner than that. Now that being said, I'll flat out state my opinion that Valve should not permit minors to use Steam if they are going to be using Steam as a means to deliver pornography of any kind whatsoever. And I will also state that as a publisher, Valve is within their rights to permit whatever they want on said content delivery service.

If they don't want to permit something, then that's totally within their rights. If they were actually breaking the law then they would have had the feds on their ass the moment they got wind of said transgression. Is it moral or ethical for Valve to permit insert niche pornographic material here on Steam?

Corporations are anything but. They're purely amoral because morals cut into your bottom line. Any time a corporation tells you they care about anything other than your money and how they can best convince you to part with it, they are doing their best to do just that.

Valve is not the exception to the rule, because this is the one rule in which there are no exceptions to prove it. Corporations, by the nature of their being regional, national or multinational conglomerates with such reach and sway that they are often thought to be monolithic if not monopolistic, are amoral.

The sole reason Valve permitted pornography to be on Steam while at the same time not then immediately yeeting every account belonging to anyone below the age of majority is because it was the profitable thing to do. The minute said decision cuts into their bottom line is the minute you can expect them to reverse course.

As to my thoughts on what people like OP constantly raise a fuss over, I'd rather people not make more victims. However, you cannot victimize a drawing or a video game character. Banning a commodity creates a black market for it. One that inevitably causes victims.

Especially when you consider that the argument comparing pornographic material to violent video games a la providing a means to achieve catharsis for those whom may otherwise be a problem has more teeth than the Agnes Chans, Jack Thompsons and Anita Sarkeesians of the world would like to admit. Doubly so when you factor in studies done by the Japanese, the Dutch and the Danish and take a look at crime statistics of nations which outright banned some pornography or all pornography like the United Kingdom, Ireland, Canada or Germany.

Never mind the only thing said projecting hypocrites and aspirant acolytes who wish to be just like them will ever admit is that they have a radical agenda. One which, when you consider that they are indeed asking you to just please think of the children, is probably not one you wish to enable.

After all, most godawful legislation is preceded by some nonce asking you to do just that.