I swear electric cars should fully replace petrol cars.

[Tiberius]

I swear electric cars should fully replace petrol cars. Now I know this isn't easily done.

But just for the sake of noise pollution.
I live right next to a road in a village, that for some reason is busier than the busiest road in a 200 000 population city.

If I imagine all of these cars would drive electric and make no noise at all, other than perhaps the wheels rolling on the concrete, then this place would be a charm.

Think about it. Its not only about nature and air pollution, but imagine the decrease in noise pollution. It would be a charm !!

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Publicado originalmente por Goose:

Publicado originalmente por De Hollandse Ezel:

nighmares can comectrue..

iditic eu : ban on sale on all non ec cats 2030.

result :
-much more fossil fuel import
s to priduce the extra electricity begating any gaibns
-much higher prices ofcraw materials as ev cost six times more metals than normal cars + the grid need to be made 10x larger costing wat more coper, steel, lithium and whatnot thab can be mined
-cara will be owned by far fewer people as ev are must more expensive now and will cause scarsitt of resources when they are the only thing allowed cost even more
-2d hand market of cars.. most prive owned cars are 2d hand will be destroyed.. eva last much shorter than traditional cars making them unsuited for 2d hand market.

please spellcheck, i had a hard time reading this.

i was not done typing. and on phone. which is prone to hitting wrong letter.
now it is done.

[PurpleBeast]

No, I love hearing that clean sound of a V8.

[xDDD]

Publicado originalmente por PurpleBeast:

No, I love hearing that clean sound of a V8.

Best point that has been made in this whole thread.
It's sad that V8s are so rare at a typical-consumer-level nowadays.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Publicado originalmente por :D:

Publicado originalmente por Ulfrinn:

There are people driving cars of the 1920s, even more of the 1930s, they're grandfathered in from most state laws against things like emissions and other regulations. It's not a lot, but these vehicles still work. They can still function. Most electric cars are going to be in landfills in a few short years.

Secondly, your video proves my point. That's a Prius, that isn't even a full electric vehicle which means the battery pack is several times smaller than an actual EV. Go click the link under the video to see how much that pack costs. $2,738. And that's not even lithium, those are NiMH cells similar to what old cordless power tools used to have which is an older, lower capacity technology, EVs use more expensive batteries than that, and much more of them.

You're at least paying 10x that price to redo the battery pack in an EV... and if you mess up the connections?... well, here's what a lithium fire from a cell several hundred times smaller than the amount of lithium inside an electric car burning in an open space, you can imagine what happens if a pack greatly larger than this goes off in a confined one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oieH2wwDGzo

Listen all I'm saying is to restore a typical 1920s car up to derivable standards today (which probably wouldn't even be a daily commuter) you'd probably need to spend as much money as these mythical battery replacement costs. They may not have the EV battery but they still have the motor, transmission, and associated drive train components.
It isn't a "My 1924 Cadillac has 2 million miles on nothing but oil changes and brakes" these cars are basically rebuilt from the ground up in order to be still running today.

AND DON'T FORGET things were made to a much higher standard and stronger durability 100 years ago as well for a myriad of reasons. Will a radio knob last 100 years? Probably. Will a touch screen infotainment center last 100 years? Certainly not. Will a 1920s motor work? With cleanup, sure. Will a 100-year old ECU still work? I doubt it.

(Also you conveniently ignored my 3rd point about 100+-year-old EVs still being on the road in the same sense Model Ts are.)

100 year old ev's
with a topspeed of 25km/h
with a range of 50km
and with non of the safety features demanded today that add a lot of weight if added and would reduce that speed & range even further.

[funewchie]

Publicado originalmente por :D:

(Also you conveniently ignored my 3rd point about 100+-year-old EVs still being on the road in the same sense Model Ts are.)

Big whoop, you ignored all the points about how polluting lithium mining and processing are; how those batteries only last 5-10 years and cost tens of thousands of dollar to replace; and how no country's power grid can handle charging all those electric vehicles.

Especially that last point.
California has tried banning any new gas cars and going pure electric. And currently, their power grid is failing rapidly, even though the majority of people are still currently on gas engines.
What's going to happen in a few years, when the law takes full effect and everyone is forced to drive electric?

The power grid can't handle it now, it DEFINITELY can't handle it when that law takes effect.

[steven1mac]

https://youtu.be/bsulOhzmNJE

[Azza ☠]

It is scientifically possible to make synthetic fuel which could power a fuel-powered car out of just wood pellets and organic trash.

Logically it would be better to have an electric powered synthetic fuel generator for your car, to be kept in your garage or a smaller version built into your car engine. However, shh, that's a secret. You have no idea how much I save on fuel costs and everyone just assumes I have the "back to the future" Delorean car. I have yet to perfect actual time travel.

Disclaimer: No I don't actually, as it is not legal for you to refine your own gasoline without the approval of your state environmental agency and the EPA. Quite possible but highly dangerous and shouldn't be attempted.

[Grendalcat]

No, I think not.😾

[Walach]

Switching to electric is the future. I can see why people don't like it, but it's not about what a person want, but what humanity need. Or that's what I believe anyway.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

A 3-foot wide borehole for oil is the worst! And so very evil!

Yeah, humanity really needs more child labor mines for cobalt and other rare earth minerals, giant strip mines that destroy entire mountains and valleys, and massive square miles of environment-wrecking lithium pits and brine pools.

Can't forget the absolute lack of infrastructure for people that aren't rich boomers with their own homes and garages that have to park on the street because they rent and live in apartments.

https://youtu.be/sytWLB4-W-M?si=ETVBu_M-i4lvHZ_Z

https://youtu.be/RFHvq-8np1o?si=K-IliUPCK0Ns3A0g

https://youtu.be/ipOeH7GW0M8?si=SsaZg4TBe98IbY8T

https://youtu.be/nl0E-UhKB5E?si=Z9LUfy7r5X6UfDYx

https://youtu.be/G67i_Z8ukD4?si=A5jLHitLEeIeu9d1

https://youtu.be/NacuQrRfbWk?si=i98MbSIYBuOcn6AS

Sorry but electric cars are not "the future", they are the next "ecological disaster" already starting to happen at a rate that would make "big oil" blush.

"The Future" will either be hydrogen fuel cells, hydrogen combustion, or some form of power we either don't have yet or don't know about (as civilians) yet.

[Walach]

Publicado originalmente por Sir Dookface McFerretballs:

Publicado originalmente por Walach:

Switching to electric is the future. I can see why people don't like it, but it's not about what a person want, but what humanity need. Or that's what I believe anyway.

A 3-foot wide borehole for oil is the worst! And so very evil!

Yeah, humanity really needs more child labor mines for cobalt and other rare earth minerals, giant strip mines that destroy entire mountains and valleys, and massive square miles of environment-wrecking lithium pits and brine pools.

Can't forget the absolute lack of infrastructure for people that aren't rich boomers with their own homes and garages that have to park on the street because they rent and live in apartments.

https://youtu.be/sytWLB4-W-M?si=ETVBu_M-i4lvHZ_Z

https://youtu.be/RFHvq-8np1o?si=K-IliUPCK0Ns3A0g

https://youtu.be/ipOeH7GW0M8?si=SsaZg4TBe98IbY8T

https://youtu.be/nl0E-UhKB5E?si=Z9LUfy7r5X6UfDYx

https://youtu.be/G67i_Z8ukD4?si=A5jLHitLEeIeu9d1

https://youtu.be/NacuQrRfbWk?si=i98MbSIYBuOcn6AS

Sorry but electric cars are not "the future", they are the next "ecological disaster" already starting to happen at a rate that would make "big oil" blush.

"The Future" will either be hydrogen fuel cells, hydrogen combustion, or some form of power we either don't have yet or don't know about (as civilians) yet. :marten_sip:

Sadly, I don't follow what you're trying to say. Did you quote the wrong person?

[LQIM]

EVs are only as clean as your power grid. If you're a real green energy fan then you should be pushing for nuclear power

Come catch a case of uranium fever
https://youtu.be/GNkO2hzXluU

[Goose]

Publicado originalmente por LQIM:

EVs are only as clean as your power grid. If you're a real green energy fan then you should be pushing for nuclear power

Come catch a case of uranium fever
https://youtu.be/GNkO2hzXluU

based, atomic energy is the way forward.

[Ulfrinn]

Publicado originalmente por :D:

Publicado originalmente por Ulfrinn:

There are people driving cars of the 1920s, even more of the 1930s, they're grandfathered in from most state laws against things like emissions and other regulations. It's not a lot, but these vehicles still work. They can still function. Most electric cars are going to be in landfills in a few short years.

Secondly, your video proves my point. That's a Prius, that isn't even a full electric vehicle which means the battery pack is several times smaller than an actual EV. Go click the link under the video to see how much that pack costs. $2,738. And that's not even lithium, those are NiMH cells similar to what old cordless power tools used to have which is an older, lower capacity technology, EVs use more expensive batteries than that, and much more of them.

You're at least paying 10x that price to redo the battery pack in an EV... and if you mess up the connections?... well, here's what a lithium fire from a cell several hundred times smaller than the amount of lithium inside an electric car burning in an open space, you can imagine what happens if a pack greatly larger than this goes off in a confined one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oieH2wwDGzo

Listen all I'm saying is to restore a typical 1920s car up to derivable standards today (which probably wouldn't even be a daily commuter) you'd probably need to spend as much money as these mythical battery replacement costs. They may not have the EV battery but they still have the motor, transmission, and associated drive train components.
It isn't a "My 1924 Cadillac has 2 million miles on nothing but oil changes and brakes" these cars are basically rebuilt from the ground up in order to be still running today.

AND DON'T FORGET things were made to a much higher standard and stronger durability 100 years ago as well for a myriad of reasons. Will a radio knob last 100 years? Probably. Will a touch screen infotainment center last 100 years? Certainly not. Will a 1920s motor work? With cleanup, sure. Will a 100-year old ECU still work? I doubt it.

(Also you conveniently ignored my 3rd point about 100+-year-old EVs still being on the road in the same sense Model Ts are.)

Depends on how well it's been maintained. IF you're taking one that's been in desrepair that long. Sure. But an ICE vehicle, with regular, inexpensive maintenance can theoretically last forever without having to replace major components. Electric vehicles will probably never reach that point because it gets into a realm of chemistry, and into a world dependent on rare resources from far away.

Some of you need to wake up and smell the truth... Car companies aren't selling you this stuff because they're trying to save the planet. Nor do they give a ♥♥♥♥ about your causes. They use that "save the environment" crap for marketing, to guilt people like you into buying them, and they want people buying them because after a few short years they'll be functionally useless, unrepairable, and require a full price replacement. It's the next logical step of planned obsolescence auto manufacturers have been paying engineers for decades to implement to increase profits.

[Ulfrinn]

Publicado originalmente por De Hollandse Ezel:

Publicado originalmente por :D:

Listen all I'm saying is to restore a typical 1920s car up to derivable standards today (which probably wouldn't even be a daily commuter) you'd probably need to spend as much money as these mythical battery replacement costs. They may not have the EV battery but they still have the motor, transmission, and associated drive train components.
It isn't a "My 1924 Cadillac has 2 million miles on nothing but oil changes and brakes" these cars are basically rebuilt from the ground up in order to be still running today.

AND DON'T FORGET things were made to a much higher standard and stronger durability 100 years ago as well for a myriad of reasons. Will a radio knob last 100 years? Probably. Will a touch screen infotainment center last 100 years? Certainly not. Will a 1920s motor work? With cleanup, sure. Will a 100-year old ECU still work? I doubt it.

(Also you conveniently ignored my 3rd point about 100+-year-old EVs still being on the road in the same sense Model Ts are.)

100 year old ev's
with a topspeed of 25km/h
with a range of 50km
and with non of the safety features demanded today that add a lot of weight if added and would reduce that speed & range even further.

I'm not talking about EVs, just old ICEs. And your "standards" are subjective. A car today is designed in ways to make it nearly impossible for you, the end user, to do basic maintenance. I've seen cars designed in a way that required you to remove the engine to replace the spark plugs, something done for common maintenance and upkeep. Do you call those standards too? Or did you just see some crash dummy test on TV?