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Is it sacrilege to buy a new sports car that has automatic transmission?
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Sir Dookface McFerretballs eredeti hozzászólása:

As an auto mechanic... I freaking HATE CVTs! Not only are they pretty much impossible to rebuild like a regular geared transmission, but they are so insanely overpriced and prone to breaking again that I really cannot warranty "reman" or even new ones personally anymore... and most people would rather just sell or scrap their car than buy a $5000+ new transmission.

CVTs are really just another "anti-consumer practice" to make sure people's cars don't last any longer than 5-10 years to keep them consooming.

Thank you for take, I appreciate hearing these kinds of things from people experienced in this field. I agree with what you say in its entirety.

The oil fill plug on a Subaru CVT is halfway up the side of the box and you need a pump to get oil into it. I've seen oil drained out of some with less than a hundred thousand kilometres on the clock and it is completely blackened and fouled. Subaru of Canada and Subaru of Japan say that the oil should be replaced around 60,000 kilometres if memory serves me right but in US and AU, 'Sealed for life' with 'Lifetime fluid' and replacing the oil yourself or through a non-dealer mechanic allows them to void your warranty.

Yup!

Modern Subarus can go F-Themselves. They are one of the worst Japanese cars on the road apart from Nissan with their terrible CVT transmissions. The engineers design them to be annoying to work on because they want you to take them to the dealership instead of a cheaper "local" mechanic.

ANY car company that says you should change your oil any longer than 5,000-10,000miles or that something has a "sealed" transmission or "lifetime oil" is selling you a car DESIGNED TO BREAK.

It is called "Planned Obsolescence".
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Sir Dookface McFerretballs; 2023. dec. 15., 8:43
AustrAlien2010 eredeti hozzászólása:
No. Because a car isn't sacred.

Blasphemy!! ;P


Dracoco OwO eredeti hozzászólása:
Sir Dookface McFerretballs eredeti hozzászólása:

No, because manuals shift slower than most automatics now...

So is it really a "sports" car if it is slower with a manual?

Between DSG transmissions, automatically shifted manuals, even some CVTs *shivers*, and "slappy paddle" computer-controlled gearboxes almost all the "automatics" and "clutchless manuals" can out-shift a standard manual "human shifted" transmission all day long.

So while a human-shifted manual can be "fun" from an enthusiast's perspective, it is no longer "faster" than automatics.
I'm not a car nut but aren't peoples opting for manuals as a pretext they have more control on the car speeds?

Not entirely, manuals are also cheaper to buy.

And sports cars are not about speed necessarily, but about the experience. Neither the Mazda MX-5 nor the Lotus Elise are particularly fast or remarkable cars, but they are one of the most successful sports cars there are because they are fun to drive.
I had a three-banger super-mini as a loaner once, and the only thing that saved it from being a boring turd was the manual transmission.

Sir Dookface McFerretballs eredeti hozzászólása:
MinionJoe eredeti hozzászólása:

Even then...

The Honda Fit is a decent car. Unless it has the CVT. In which case, it's a disposable car.

As an auto mechanic... I freaking HATE CVTs! Not only are they pretty much impossible to rebuild like a regular geared transmission, but they are so insanely overpriced and prone to breaking again that I really cannot warranty "reman" or even new ones personally anymore... and most people would rather just sell or scrap their car than buy a $5000+ new transmission.

CVTs are really just another "anti-consumer practice" to make sure people's cars don't last any longer than 5-10 years to keep them consooming.

I don't think CVTs are the issue here, but manufacturers just being close-fisted ♥♥♥♥♥ on parts, tools and manuals once more.

https://www.transmissiondigest.com/cvts-do-i-rebuild-them-or-not/

It's like switching from Windows to Linux, but instead Linux would also be proprietary and Linus Torvalds would be Elon Musk.

Every issue regarding CVTs on this thread has nothing to do with the technology, but with manufacturers intentionally implementing them in the worst ways possible, combining that with questionable practices towards customers, solely to maximise profits disregarding consumer rights and such.

It appears a bit like the Phoebus cartel of transmissions.



Sir Dookface McFerretballs eredeti hozzászólása:
It is called "Planned Obsolescence".

Me with my 1.4 TSI needing a new driving chain every 50000 km: This is fine. ;P
no, you can drive whatever the hell you want.
transmission type is a preference, it does not make you better or worse than anyone else.

my preference is very strongly manual, all vehicles i get in the future *will* be manual, but i recognize that this is purely a personal preference of mine, and it does not make me better than anyone else.

something that many manual supremacists fail to understand.
kilésengati eredeti hozzászólása:
Only automated manual transmissions have none, they are just weird.

They still have the advantage that YOU don't have to deal with changing gears.
ChickenTacos eredeti hozzászólása:
Stranger eredeti hozzászólása:
yes you should buy 2 of every car instead, one automatic and then one manual to make up for it.

infact just send a check to the manufacturer, and write "my sins" in the for section. paperclip a picture of your transmission at the same time.
Sounds like ya boi Andrew 'Top G' Tate. Multiples of the same supercars because Tate.

Taking jokes seriously because you're a public idiot is a tim-honored tradition.
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ChickenTacos eredeti hozzászólása:
Sounds like ya boi Andrew 'Top G' Tate. Multiples of the same supercars because Tate.

Taking jokes seriously because you're a public idiot is a tim-honored tradition.
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Goose eredeti hozzászólása:
tim honored

Sometimes typos are best left unfixed.
Sir Dookface McFerretballs eredeti hozzászólása:
Most of the hard-core car nuts that have ONLY a manual car for daily commuting usually end up hating it after a year or so of traffic jams and whatnot else unless they happen to live and work i na place with no traffic and nice open roads.
Nah. At least not here. But driving in cities is no fun anyways. Here You´re usually way better off with using public transport if You only move within one city. They get priority, and leave any station every 10 minutes or so, while the web is usually good. Next to using a bike probably the fastest way to get from A to B. It´s bad if it´s outside the city though - worse the further away. While then You also have to deal with the traffic jams if You go by car at certain times - every day of a week. But then people also have to ask themselves the question why they have a job in the city, if they can´t afford to live there - or choose to live elsewhere, when a shorter way to work increases free time, which indirectly increases their payment for work time spent, and reduces costs for traveling.

kilésengati eredeti hozzászólása:
Not entirely, manuals are also cheaper to buy.
I´m unsure if costs are a strong argument, if it´s about buying the most uneconomical car class (assuming that people would only buy a car which fits their needs), with the least options what one can do with it. Sports cars are driving machines. Usually You can´t transport 4 people conveniently with it, and You don´t have much storage room.

For minis: I had a test drive in a john cooper works, as i wanted to get one eventually, but somehow the instruments are in the middle? That´s why i disregarded it. Also tried a couple of cars with semi automatic then (that had it as well), because i thought it would be a nice gimmick to shift with just pulling some paddle at the steering wheel, but i recognized that it doesn´t feel the same, even if i tried models with some power. That could be nice for 400hp+, else that feature is somehow wasted - imho, as they just don´t have the power to push the car fast enough, and if i need to wait forever to pull that paddle again, i could also shift manually - or if it was about driving with speed control, and assistant to hold the lane, and brake assistant - a full automatic car, so i could concentrate on watching a movie or to read a book, or something like it...

But imho the most difficult part in purchasing a sports car depends a bit on the financial and relationship status. But let´s assume You don´t earn very much - and are in a relationship - it might take some convincing power to talk Your partner into buying a sports car, because it´s the most reasonable option, which is probably when You think the "standard" coupé would be the middle ground, so it´s not the M3, but the 330 CI...
Exactly, get yourself an old sports car with automatic transmission.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zytaYxoe53A?feature=share
Here's the truth:

The only people who act like you absolutely need to have a manual transmission are people who have just started driving cars with manual transmissions and think that makes them really special and smart, but in reality, it's absolutely no big deal at all.

There's also the issue of many people being uninformed or misinformed about (modern) automatic transmissions and just cars in general, really. For example, manually overriding automatic transmissions has been a thing since before anyone who says otherwise was even born, so there's that.

Finally, if you think cars with automatic transmissions are boring, that really says more about you and your extremely limited experience than anything else.

So, no, you're not smart, special and overall superior if you act like only manual cars are real cars and so on, but actually the opposite. Only a arrogant idiot who has no clue about anything would say such things.

Sports cars and racing, you say? Yeah, I really love long gear stick travel, diagonal shifts (especially with really high G-forces), worn synchros, overall too long and inaccurate shifting and of course, not having 3 feet while slowing down, that's the thing that makes me really happy to have a manual transmission. No, heel-and-toe downshifting is simply not accurate enough for threshold braking.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Shodan; 2023. dec. 15., 14:33
Imagine Memphis Raines driving that Shelby Mustang GT500 with automatic gears....

Imagine a sports car in which you can't fully decide on its engine RPMs and don't have the LAST SAY during cornering, acceleration and breaking.
m/t purists need to shut the ♥♥♥♥ up
"uhhh but only a real sports car is manual"
"wuh I only drive manuals because I want to be one with my car"
"ishfjkaflg it's not a reeeeeeeeeeal car because the car shifts for you"
"only REAL sports cars have 3 pedals"
"I would rather drive a 1987 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with a 3 speed MANUEL than a 2023 hyper car with an automatic because that's not a reeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll car"

stop daydreaming about putting the shifter in your ass so you can become one with your car and drive something besides a 2001 camry as your automatic barometer
Triple G eredeti hozzászólása:
kilésengati eredeti hozzászólása:
Not entirely, manuals are also cheaper to buy.
I´m unsure if costs are a strong argument, if it´s about buying the most uneconomical car class (assuming that people would only buy a car which fits their needs), with the least options what one can do with it. Sports cars are driving machines. Usually You can´t transport 4 people conveniently with it, and You don´t have much storage room.

For minis: I had a test drive in a john cooper works, as i wanted to get one eventually, but somehow the instruments are in the middle? That´s why i disregarded it. Also tried a couple of cars with semi automatic then (that had it as well), because i thought it would be a nice gimmick to shift with just pulling some paddle at the steering wheel, but i recognized that it doesn´t feel the same, even if i tried models with some power. That could be nice for 400hp+, else that feature is somehow wasted - imho, as they just don´t have the power to push the car fast enough, and if i need to wait forever to pull that paddle again, i could also shift manually - or if it was about driving with speed control, and assistant to hold the lane, and brake assistant - a full automatic car, so i could concentrate on watching a movie or to read a book, or something like it...

But imho the most difficult part in purchasing a sports car depends a bit on the financial and relationship status. But let´s assume You don´t earn very much - and are in a relationship - it might take some convincing power to talk Your partner into buying a sports car, because it´s the most reasonable option, which is probably when You think the "standard" coupé would be the middle ground, so it´s not the M3, but the 330 CI...

Particularly in on the lower end of sports cars, cost is definitely a factor. There are plenty of people that want a cheap fun car for the weekend, that ideally can be at least somewhat useful during the week. It's why the MX-5 is such a bestseller. Sports cars don't have to be luxury cars. Although, almost every decent car is priced like a luxury car nowadays.

No, not Mini, the BMW brand. Super-mini, the car class. In my case, I've a three-banger Polo. Those lawn mower engines can be fun, if mated to a good transmission and you put the pedal to the metal.
Anyway, I also disregarded a Mini Cooper S (not a JCW unfortunately) when buying a car, also simply because of the stupid dash configuration. Looks good from the outside, lots of space on the inside, sporty drive, but the dash design is just too much. If you can get past looking at this attrocious dash everytime you drive the car though, it's an amazing hothatch - and hothatches (as well as shooting brakes) are sportscars. Also should be even easier to convince a partner to get one of those. Shame they're becoming a rare breed though and the used car market is just utterly broken. Falling victim to the crossover craze like any other good type of car.
☎need4naiim☎ eredeti hozzászólása:
Imagine Memphis Raines driving that Shelby Mustang GT500 with automatic gears....

Imagine a sports car in which you can't fully decide on its engine RPMs and don't have the LAST SAY during cornering, acceleration and breaking.

There it is again, so let's debunk that ♥♥♥♥ once and for all:

Every one of those cars will have a manual mode where you are fully in control and remain fully in control no matter what, even if it meant hitting the redline. Yes, you can temporarily override modern automatic transmissions while in automatic mode using paddle shifters, but there is also an actual manual mode where the only thing it doesn't let you do is downshift when it would mean blowing up the engine and the gearbox, but you would never attempt to do that in a manual car either anyway. Other than that, you're in full control no matter what and you remain in full control for as long as you want to.

Like I said above, manually overriding automatic transmissions has been a thing since before anyone who acts otherwise was even born.

I would also like to add that cars with automatic transmissions tend to have a lot more gears, which means shorter gears and that means way better acceleration (not just acceleration, but throttle response feels much more pleasant because the car always pulls immediately and harder too, without needing as much torque and horsepower as it would with fewer gears), better fuel consumption and unaffected top speed.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Shodan; 2023. dec. 15., 15:01
Oh I got one other thing, aside from the anti-theft thing.
In a mechanical sense manual transmissions are MUCH simpler (and cheaper). Not sure if anyone here has ever looked into automatic transmissions but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ are they complicated. So many valves, channels, switches, etc all over the place. And working on them is a mess, there's a reason they call the torque converter a "slush box"
Automatic transmissions are incredibly complex and it makes them hard enough to fix that often times people will switch out the entire transmission for another.
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