NATO vs BRICS

[ChickenTacos]

"Oh, they're not the same thing!"

They are both formidable contenders for world power. Think modern-age Allies vs. Axis powers. Both vying for domination.

[crunchyfrog]

Amuro0079님이 먼저 게시:

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

You always attack the person and never the claim.

Let's assume SerpentZA and Laowhy86 are the WORST people on the planet. How does that allter their claims?

It doesn't because CLAIMS ALWAYS STAND ON THEIR OWN MERITS.

So what part of the actual video evidence from Chinese citizens that I linked don't you grasp?

That is DEMONSTRABLE FACT

Just watch the video above, it shows what they were before they turned 180 and started selling negativity.

Why I attack them? Because they made fakes claims now, like Christmas is banned in China, one of their latest fake claims. That's the easier lie to debunk. Just go to youtube and search Christmas and China. They're now running out of ideas to make convincing lies.

As for your video evidence from Chinese citizens, where, what? The BBC video? You do know that BBC as well as other major news outlets from the West are known to use paid actors in the interviews, right? If you trust BBC, that is your problem.

Again that's not how logic works.

Attacking them changes nothing.

As I said if they were the worst people out there, how does that change the evidence they provided? IT CANNOT BECAUSE CLAIMS ALWAYS STAND ON THEIR OWN MERITS.

So thos videos of Chinese citizens DEMONSTRATING what I said, then only way you can disprove that is by providing BETTER evidence to counter them. Not made up comments about attacking the people who publicise it.

That's not how rationality nor critical thinking nor evidence works.

[Amuro0079]

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

Amuro0079님이 먼저 게시:

Just watch the video above, it shows what they were before they turned 180 and started selling negativity.

Why I attack them? Because they made fakes claims now, like Christmas is banned in China, one of their latest fake claims. That's the easier lie to debunk. Just go to youtube and search Christmas and China. They're now running out of ideas to make convincing lies.

As for your video evidence from Chinese citizens, where, what? The BBC video? You do know that BBC as well as other major news outlets from the West are known to use paid actors in the interviews, right? If you trust BBC, that is your problem.

Again that's not how logic works.

Attacking them changes nothing.

As I said if they were the worst people out there, how does that change the evidence they provided? IT CANNOT BECAUSE CLAIMS ALWAYS STAND ON THEIR OWN MERITS.

So thos videos of Chinese citizens DEMONSTRATING what I said, then only way you can disprove that is by providing BETTER evidence to counter them. Not made up comments about attacking the people who publicise it.

That's not how rationality nor critical thinking nor evidence works.

It changes everything. That is exactly how logic works. You show the source is untrustworthy. (They have been caught lying so many times.) Then everything they say afterwards becomes questionable and should not be trust. They said Christmas is banned in China, and you believed that? Then that's your problem. You should be doing fact checking yourself after watching their content, not me. But I'm gonna do you a favour this time, show you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvoVHJjXCAE

Oh and what videos? You linked one BBC video, I don't see any other videos.

BTW, why do you think I'm a privileged person? Because I use this Steam instead of the Steam for China? If that's what you think, then it shows how ignorant you are. Hong Kong is not mainland China, LOL. We have completely different systems.

[crunchyfrog]

Amuro0079님이 먼저 게시:

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

Again that's not how logic works.

Attacking them changes nothing.

As I said if they were the worst people out there, how does that change the evidence they provided? IT CANNOT BECAUSE CLAIMS ALWAYS STAND ON THEIR OWN MERITS.

So thos videos of Chinese citizens DEMONSTRATING what I said, then only way you can disprove that is by providing BETTER evidence to counter them. Not made up comments about attacking the people who publicise it.

That's not how rationality nor critical thinking nor evidence works.

It changes everything. That is exactly how logic works. You show the source is untrustworthy. (They have been caught lying so many times.) Then everything they say afterwards becomes questionable and should not be trust. They said Christmas is banned in China, and you believed that? Then that's your problem. You should be doing fact checking yourself after watching their content, not me. But I'm gonna do you a favour this time, show you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvoVHJjXCAE

Oh and what videos? You linked one BBC video, I don't see any other videos.

BTW, why do you think I'm a privileged person? Because I use this Steam instead of the Steam for China? If that's what you think, then it shows how ignorant you are. Hong Kong is not mainland China, LOL. We have completely different systems.

No that isn't how logic works.

Attacking the erson does nothing because claims always stand on their own merits. Doesn't matter who says it, how, when or whatever.

So your constant ragging on them does nothing to the claim.

As fotr the other videos I'm talking about those you tried to dodge in the past. You still need to tackle the BBC video which is quite clear - it demosntrates how BRICS has utterly failed Malaysia and is a typical example of how China behaves exactly as I claimed.

I can happily provide more evidence but you'kll likely make up other excuses.


The videos I showed are from CHINESE CITIZENS DEMONSTRATING EXACTLY WHAT I CLAIMED.

THe ONLY way to address that is by tackling what they posted and posting BETTER EVIDENCE against it - not attacking or whining about the people who publicised it, not making excuses or doding.

If it DID work as you claimed, then I can simply attack YOU then and say "you are the worst person in the world" and make up stuff about your integrity and then we're done.

So your logic is flawed and it cuts both ways.

TACKLE THE EVIDENCE PLEASE - I will accept no other dodging nor should anyone else because that IS how logic works.

[Amuro0079]

What is your claim? BRICS is a joke or BRI is bad? LOL I don't even know what your claim is at this point. Assuming that is your claim, and even if there's a few Chinese citizens that agree with you that does not mean anything. 155 countries signed up for BRI or 154 without Italy, that weighs more than what a few random Chinese citizens says.

BTW, do you think Christmas is banned in China as SerpentZA claims? Yes or no?

[crunchyfrog]

Amuro0079님이 먼저 게시:

What is your claim? BRICS is a joke or BRI is bad? LOL I don't even know what your claim is at this point. Assuming that is your claim, and even if there's a few Chinese citizens that agree with you that does not mean anything. 155 countries signed up for BRI or 154 without Italy, that weighs more than what a few random Chinese citizens says.

BTW, do you think Christmas is banned in China as SerpentZA claims? Yes or no?

Well there you demonstrate your dishonesty.

Because how can you POSSIBLY claim that the video I posted showing that BRICS failed countries is WRONG when you now claim you don't understand what my claim is?

This shows you CANNOT simultaneously say "it's wrong" when you also say you don't know what the claim is - that's a logical fallacy. And shows your dishonesty absolutely.

My claim I repeat is that BRICS is a scam. I CLEARLY laid that out in the post, and the video demonstrates WHY. It's an example. It shows how in Malaysia, Forest City was an exanmple of China going there and promising the usual with Belt and Road initiative - that they'll provide buildings and infrastructure in exchange for resources.

And the point is that infrastructure, buildings in this case, the city itself, is utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, crap cha bu duo quality that is of no use to anyone. And all for the exchange of taking Malaysias resources.

That is EXACTLY the claim - that the scam happens as I claimed.

Well done for prvongin your dihonesty though.

[Amuro0079]

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

Amuro0079님이 먼저 게시:

What is your claim? BRICS is a joke or BRI is bad? LOL I don't even know what your claim is at this point. Assuming that is your claim, and even if there's a few Chinese citizens that agree with you that does not mean anything. 155 countries signed up for BRI or 154 without Italy, that weighs more than what a few random Chinese citizens says.

BTW, do you think Christmas is banned in China as SerpentZA claims? Yes or no?

Well there you demonstrate your dishonesty.

Because how can you POSSIBLY claim that the video I posted showing that BRICS failed countries is WRONG when you now claim you don't understand what my claim is?

This shows you CANNOT simultaneously say "it's wrong" when you also say you don't know what the claim is - that's a logical fallacy. And shows your dishonesty absolutely.

My claim I repeat is that BRICS is a scam. I CLEARLY laid that out in the post, and the video demonstrates WHY. It's an example. It shows how in Malaysia, Forest City was an exanmple of China going there and promising the usual with Belt and Road initiative - that they'll provide buildings and infrastructure in exchange for resources.

And the point is that infrastructure, buildings in this case, the city itself, is utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, crap cha bu duo quality that is of no use to anyone. And all for the exchange of taking Malaysias resources.

That is EXACTLY the claim - that the scam happens as I claimed.

Well done for prvongin your dihonesty though.

One bad project while ignoring all the successful ones means BRICS is a scam?

https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/12/05/how-has-china-s-belt-and-road-initiative-impacted-southeast-asian-countries-pub-91170

Yeah, yeah, I'm dishonest, you're the honest one, LMAO.

And, you haven't answered the Christmas question, but I know you won't because your answer will expose you.

[xDDD]

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

My claim I repeat is that BRICS is a scam. I CLEARLY laid that out in the post, and the video demonstrates WHY. It's an example. It shows how in Malaysia, Forest City was an exanmple of China going there and promising the usual with Belt and Road initiative - that they'll provide buildings and infrastructure in exchange for resources.

And the point is that infrastructure, buildings in this case, the city itself, is utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, crap cha bu duo quality that is of no use to anyone. And all for the exchange of taking Malaysias resources.

That is EXACTLY the claim - that the scam happens as I claimed.

Well done for prvongin your dihonesty though.

Cmon now! China isn't the only country in there!
India is part of BRICS too and they would never scam anyone!

[crunchyfrog]

Amuro0079님이 먼저 게시:

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

Well there you demonstrate your dishonesty.

Because how can you POSSIBLY claim that the video I posted showing that BRICS failed countries is WRONG when you now claim you don't understand what my claim is?

This shows you CANNOT simultaneously say "it's wrong" when you also say you don't know what the claim is - that's a logical fallacy. And shows your dishonesty absolutely.

My claim I repeat is that BRICS is a scam. I CLEARLY laid that out in the post, and the video demonstrates WHY. It's an example. It shows how in Malaysia, Forest City was an exanmple of China going there and promising the usual with Belt and Road initiative - that they'll provide buildings and infrastructure in exchange for resources.

And the point is that infrastructure, buildings in this case, the city itself, is utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, crap cha bu duo quality that is of no use to anyone. And all for the exchange of taking Malaysias resources.

That is EXACTLY the claim - that the scam happens as I claimed.

Well done for prvongin your dihonesty though.

One bad project while ignoring all the successful ones means BRICS is a scam?

https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/12/05/how-has-china-s-belt-and-road-initiative-impacted-southeast-asian-countries-pub-91170

Yeah, yeah, I'm dishonest, you're the honest one, LMAO.

And, you haven't answered the Christmas question, but I know you won't because your answer will expose you.

Ah yes, schoalrs from 5 asian countries assert his. But you clearly haven't read it because even the first one (Thailand) points out how there's concnern about the scammy side of it being a "debt trap" and the downturn of China's eceonomy not yielding results.

Maybe you should read before you post?

So yes, you failed to show counter evidence. Got any more that doesn't agree with my point so well?

And why didn't I answer the point about Christmas? Because again, I don't care and it's moot. What part of they could be the worst person in thworld don't you grasp? CLAIMS ALWAYS STAND ON THEIR WON MERITS.

So SerpentZA can be utterly wrong about one point but correct about the next.

You truly don't get logic at all do you?

[crunchyfrog]

:D님이 먼저 게시:

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

My claim I repeat is that BRICS is a scam. I CLEARLY laid that out in the post, and the video demonstrates WHY. It's an example. It shows how in Malaysia, Forest City was an exanmple of China going there and promising the usual with Belt and Road initiative - that they'll provide buildings and infrastructure in exchange for resources.

And the point is that infrastructure, buildings in this case, the city itself, is utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, crap cha bu duo quality that is of no use to anyone. And all for the exchange of taking Malaysias resources.

That is EXACTLY the claim - that the scam happens as I claimed.

Well done for prvongin your dihonesty though.

Cmon now! China isn't the only country in there!
India is part of BRICS too and they would never scam anyone! :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

Ouch, lol.

[Choko]

Most people know that BBC is just a Tory piece using as evidence is only by foreign agent.

Talking about foreign agent, how do you feel having a traitor that worked for CIA that stoled 1b USA dollar? Bet you aren't even that trustworthy/rank to have boss give you that amount. 🤣

[Amuro0079]

crunchyfrog님이 먼저 게시:

Amuro0079님이 먼저 게시:

One bad project while ignoring all the successful ones means BRICS is a scam?

https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/12/05/how-has-china-s-belt-and-road-initiative-impacted-southeast-asian-countries-pub-91170

Yeah, yeah, I'm dishonest, you're the honest one, LMAO.

And, you haven't answered the Christmas question, but I know you won't because your answer will expose you.

Ah yes, schoalrs from 5 asian countries assert his. But you clearly haven't read it because even the first one (Thailand) points out how there's concnern about the scammy side of it being a "debt trap" and the downturn of China's eceonomy not yielding results.

Maybe you should read before you post?

So yes, you failed to show counter evidence. Got any more that doesn't agree with my point so well?

And why didn't I answer the point about Christmas? Because again, I don't care and it's moot. What part of they could be the worst person in thworld don't you grasp? CLAIMS ALWAYS STAND ON THEIR WON MERITS.

So SerpentZA can be utterly wrong about one point but correct about the next.

You truly don't get logic at all do you?

Nice of you to quote out of context. Concerns were concerns that's what the "prolonged discussion and negotiations between Thailand and China" were for and eventually agreement was reached. You also ignore the conclusion which says that the impact of BRI projects in Thailand has been generally positive and helps economic growth even though there are still concerns over trade deficits, environmental implications and so on.

Also, your evidence is not really evidence at all. Yes, I finally watched that 3 minutes BBC video of yours. BTW, there are no Chinese citizens in the video, the women is Indian, the guy is obviously Malaysian. It's a typical BBC western style one-sided report, propaganda aimed at smearing China. It completely ignores the real reasons why this project hasn't been successful - the corrupt Malaysian ex-governments, the political instability - three PMs in one term. The ex-PM that started these projects, Najib Razak, is now in jail for corruption, and his successor, Mahathir Mohamad, has said he would not issue visas to foreign buyers who had bought properties there, way to to kill the project (thank God he's been voted out in 2020). The new PM Anwar Ibrahim is reviving the place. You should go over the comments section and read what actual Malaysians say about the project. Anyways, I would bet that in 10 years this place will be completely filled up just like all the ghost towns in China in the last 10 years had been filling up. Finally, if your claim is true that BRI is a scam, then why the current administration of Malaysia chose to stay with BRI and in fact signed investment deals of RM 170 billion with China a few months ago? Wouldn't you think that these countries know better than you?

You also don't seem to know what BRI really is. It's NOT "provide buildings and infrastructure in exchange for resources". The key of BRI is to export China's excess construction capability (which it has been having since 2012) to help other developing countries build up their economies so that those countries can increase their trade with one another. Good businesses want richer customers that can afford their products. It's all about trade, not about acquiring resources which can be bought directly if they want. It's also not a debt trap. You default the debt will be write off and lending banks in China will be bailed out by the Chinese government. Real debt trap would be like what IMF and World Bank is doing, take your resources if you default your loans or worse intervene in your internal affairs and do regime change. BRI does not do that all.

Lastly, please stop lecturing people on logic. Fact of matter is, a source proven to be unreliable has no credibility. Does not matter what claims they made, anyone can just reject or not take them seriously If you rely on that source it hurts your credibility as well.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

China is all about quantity over quality.

You can find all sort of recent youtube videos show china building collapsing like tofu.

https://youtube.com/shorts/q8D1UqQdf4A?si=RD__wKxEIbRv05af (he even say it's an ongoing issue and the video is less then a year)

https://youtu.be/0GhccE2cTKE?si=DOBy47aKSNT7CxxK

there is more but I'm lazy and tired right now.

[Hobbit XIII]

Amuro0079님이 먼저 게시:

Why I attack them? Because they made fakes claims now, like Christmas is banned in China, one of their latest fake claims. That's the easier lie to debunk. Just go to youtube and search Christmas and China. They're now running out of ideas to make convincing lies.

As for your video evidence from Chinese citizens, where, what? The BBC video? You do know that BBC as well as other major news outlets from the West are known to use paid actors in the interviews, right? If you trust BBC, that is your problem.

Could you give sources for the BBC using paid actors in the past and in the BBC video?

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

both countries that belong to the G7 and those that are in brics are facing serious challenges and issues.

you can't pretend that one side is dominating the other.

[Hobbit XIII]

🍋 Lemonfed 🍋님이 먼저 게시:

both countries that belong to the G7 and those that are in brics are facing serious challenges and issues.

you can't pretend that one side is dominating the other.

The education side, people pushing money at universities in England from abroad get educated in those universities and the Britons lose out on those places. Been happening for many years making other countries stronger at the expense of good ole England.