Is consensual incest a crime? Should it be a crime, or not?

[SmudgyRotter]

Hey, I’ve seen too many political threads on here lately, so I want something interesting. I want answers mainly from liberals, leftists, democrats, etc. or whatever side that is considered hating other side, in this off topic; because I think that those people have very “interesting” moral concept or whatever. I wanna listen.

Anyway, what do you think?

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[crunchyfrog]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sidakte:

but in this case abortion will be forced. abortion should be optional.
and still. it's not the taboos that lead me to say that incest should be outlawed. it's genetics.
that is not fascist. it's not fascist to not want incest pregnancies. the law cannot play one side.
if the law says that incest is illegal, it must be illegal for everyone. regardless if they're sterile or not.

That’s easy fix. Go other state, like California for example. Abortion all day long. No question asked. Easy. Yas?

That wasn't his point.

He never said that abortion was bad or good or anything. They pointed out that due to genetics, incest must be illegal for everyone.

That has bugger all to do with your point.

[Dom]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dom:

I think you have understood "my body my right/choice" a bit wrong. It is a phrase used about abortion (because the fetus is part of carrier's body) but it doesn't mean that it should be applied in every part of life. You cannot go and murder someone because "my body my choice, my knife".

So yeah. No.

Right. So it’s my body, my private part, my consensual sex. That sounds better?

Murder? My knife? My knife is not part of my body! Murdering who? Fetus? It’s just something meaty though, no? It is not murder. It’s abortion. It is not someone, it is not human.

What is 'consensual sex' is based on science actually. Science does research on consent and how valid or invalid consent is in various cases.

You say that science shouldn't have a say in your life/world but you quote science yourself to make a point.

Are you fine with sex that isn't consensual? It is a yes or no question. I don't accept any other answer, thank you.

[Sidakte]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sidakte:

but in this case abortion will be forced. abortion should be optional.
and still. it's not the taboos that lead me to say that incest should be outlawed. it's genetics.
that is not fascist. it's not fascist to not want incest pregnancies. the law cannot play one side.
if the law says that incest is illegal, it must be illegal for everyone. regardless if they're sterile or not.

That’s easy fix. Go other state, like California for example. Abortion all day long. No question asked. Easy. Yas?

nope. because the woman that will carry the fetus must herself choose the abortion.
it cannot be forced onto her by any means, neither peer pressure nor any other means.
also as far as i know in the USA people can suffer the penalties if they choose to abort even if they change states to get it to another, if they reside in a state that forbids abortions. once they come back they will still suffer the law as if they practiced the abortion on their own state.

[SmudgyRotter]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย crunchyfrog:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

That’s easy fix. Go other state, like California for example. Abortion all day long. No question asked. Easy. Yas?

That wasn't his point.

He never said that abortion was bad or good or anything. They pointed out that due to genetics, incest must be illegal for everyone.

That has bugger all to do with your point.

Abortion fix and forget everything. No question asked. Easy.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

How about people just keep it in their pants?

[Sidakte]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dom:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sidakte:

but in this case abortion will be forced. abortion should be optional.
and still. it's not the taboos that lead me to say that incest should be outlawed. it's genetics.
that is not fascist. it's not fascist to not want incest pregnancies. the law cannot play one side.
if the law says that incest is illegal, it must be illegal for everyone. regardless if they're sterile or not.

At least you get it. Abortion can only truly be optional if the fetus is healthy and there aren't problems with the pregnancies pushing the carrier towards making that decision. Of course, it's impossible to prevent every single unfortunate incident with pregnancies and fetuses but there would be an increase in them if incest were more common. And that's why we do not want that.

precisely. if the fetus has any major problems abortion will become enforced otherwise the mothers life will be in danger if she keeps it. and it will be an increase in them definitely if incest gets legalized (and thus normalized).

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย crunchyfrog:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

That’s easy fix. Go other state, like California for example. Abortion all day long. No question asked. Easy. Yas?

That wasn't his point.

He never said that abortion was bad or good or anything. They pointed out that due to genetics, incest must be illegal for everyone.

That has bugger all to do with your point.

[SmudgyRotter]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sidakte:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

That’s easy fix. Go other state, like California for example. Abortion all day long. No question asked. Easy. Yas?

nope. because the woman that will carry the fetus must herself choose the abortion.
it cannot be forced onto her by any means, neither peer pressure nor any other means.
also as far as i know in the USA people can suffer the penalties if they choose to abort even if they change states to get it to another, if they reside in a state that forbids abortions. once they come back they will still suffer the law as if they practiced the abortion on their own state.

Don’t tell government everything. Easy fix.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dom:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

Right. So it’s my body, my private part, my consensual sex. That sounds better?

Murder? My knife? My knife is not part of my body! Murdering who? Fetus? It’s just something meaty though, no? It is not murder. It’s abortion. It is not someone, it is not human.

What is 'consensual sex' is based on science actually. Science does research on consent and how valid or invalid consent is in various cases.

You say that science shouldn't have a say in your life/world but you quote science yourself to make a point.

Are you fine with sex that isn't consensual? It is a yes or no question. I don't accept any other answer, thank you.

Sex that isn’t consensual means rape. I don’t want to be raped, do I. So no. But yes when it’s convenient to me. Easy. Yas?

So no and yes. Yes when it is convenient for me. Very easy.

[Dom]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dom:

What is 'consensual sex' is based on science actually. Science does research on consent and how valid or invalid consent is in various cases.

You say that science shouldn't have a say in your life/world but you quote science yourself to make a point.

Are you fine with sex that isn't consensual? It is a yes or no question. I don't accept any other answer, thank you.

Sex that isn’t consensual means rape. I don’t want to be raped, do I. So no. But yes when it’s convenient to me. Easy. Yas?

So no and yes. Yes when it is convenient for me. Very easy.

That is a non-answer, you're zigzagging.
It was a simple yes-or-no question and you managed to screw it up with "yesn't".

PS. When is un-consensual sex "convenient" for you? Care to elaborate?

[SmudgyRotter]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Wynters:

How about people just keep it in their pants?

No. Shush. Don’t give anyone that idea. Love and sex should personal. No one gets to say who and whom to love or sex.

[SmudgyRotter]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dom:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

Sex that isn’t consensual means rape. I don’t want to be raped, do I. So no. But yes when it’s convenient to me. Easy. Yas?

So no and yes. Yes when it is convenient for me. Very easy.

That is a non-answer, you're zigzagging.
It was a simple yes-or-no question and you managed to screw it up with "yesn't".

PS. When is un-consensual sex "convenient" to you? Care to elaborate?

When you don’t force your science, your taboo, religion, your god, or whatever else on me. Boom.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Wynters:

How about people just keep it in their pants?

No. Shush. Don’t give anyone that idea. Love and sex should personal. No one gets to say who and whom to love or sex.

Must be the type that does not care if the hooker has cold hands... 🙃

[Sidakte]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dom:

That is a non-answer, you're zigzagging.
It was a simple yes-or-no question and you managed to screw it up with "yesn't".

PS. When is un-consensual sex "convenient" to you? Care to elaborate?

When you don’t force your science, your taboo, religion, your god, or whatever else on me. Boom.

wait wait wait wait. are you saying that you're ok with pedophilia?

[Dom]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dom:

That is a non-answer, you're zigzagging.
It was a simple yes-or-no question and you managed to screw it up with "yesn't".

PS. When is un-consensual sex "convenient" to you? Care to elaborate?

When you don’t force your science, your taboo, religion, your god, or whatever else on me. Boom.

Scientific community does the research on consent; when it is to be considered valid and when it isn't. So you are against the sex consent laws which are based on science? Is that forcing "my" science on you?

Again, yes or no question.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sidakte:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

When you don’t force your science, your taboo, religion, your god, or whatever else on me. Boom.

wait wait wait wait. are you saying that you're ok with pedophilia?

You would be disgusted to learn that Steam Valve does not prosecute nor remove pedophilia Steam groups.

[SmudgyRotter]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Wynters:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SmudgyRotter:

No. Shush. Don’t give anyone that idea. Love and sex should personal. No one gets to say who and whom to love or sex.

Must be the type that does not care if the hooker has cold hands... 🙃

Shush. We are much more progressive. Cold hands?! Easy fix. Yah?