Platypus20 2023 年 12 月 25 日 上午 4:07
Why I might just abandon Christianity
We would probably all get along easier if we just did that, just abandoned our religions.

I've been feeling like my Christian faith causes harm, and I'm tired of trying to rationalise why there's so much barbarism in the Bible. I'm tired of it. If a God did exist, why would he be so sadistic?

I think the biggest reason I haven't abandoned it already is because of my family. I think they would just disown me. That's another reason I've learned to dislike religion, it's from seeing how many parents are willing to disown their own children for not following it. It all just feels so wrong. A god wouldn't make humans feel this way.

Starting today, I'm giving up on Christianity. I hope other religious people who read this feel inspired to do the same.
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De Hollandse Ezel 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 5:16 
引用自 mf tom
引用自 yesskillch
"Just stop teaching it. Give nobody the chance. That way we all go to Heaven. By spreading the word you're just condemning people to Hell."

You're asking me how a paradoxical hypothetical would "work"? By being aware you're not teaching Christianity, you're still aware of Christianity.

It would be impossible to have this discussion if Christianity never existed. It would be impossible to explain what God would do if everyone was never aware of his or Christ's existence.

That isn't how the cookie crumbled in this timeline. You're unclear on a loophole because it doesn't make sense to begin with. This is like asking how math would work in a universe where there is no math.

What are you talking about? This isn't paradoxical.

If there's an isolated tribe in the wilderness who never have the chance to know Jesus, what happens to them? Automatic eternal Hellfire? Why would God knowingly set people up for that?

Ultimately, none of this makes sense because we're playing a 2000 year long game of telephone.

simple answers.

those who heared of Christ are judge wheither they accepted or rejected Christ.
-this means basicly you desire fully to obey God in ecrrything (you need to love Gods laws far more than just obey them frim this love flows actions yo do your very best to obey God in every command.. if you fail you are forgiven.. but those who are foregiven do not seek to be saved from hell but to be freed from their sinfull nature, to desire what God want in all things.. to truelly be made perfect.


Those who never heared of Christ are still under the old covenant of the law.
-they will just have yo uphold each and every rule of God.. never break 1 in your life and yea you will get heaven (nobody but Christ ever did this.)

but they are judgedby the law for what they did themselves.

we excist but for God wanting true relationship.. He is our maker.
He owns us nothing.
we are nothing He is ecerything.
if we make a tool or robot or ai and ir rebels againtt is.. we too cast it aside.
who is the clay to starr demanding the maker how ro make pots?

We are most happy of we forfil the function we were made for.. to live un relationship with God and that incluses not doing anything that is evil aka npt of Gods will.

if we not forfill that function we will imdeed be cast out for eterity..

weby nature are oblybrapist murderers killers etc only by the spirit of God trough Crist can that be chanhed.
each good work you do is bot yours it is God tempering your evil..
when all just are in heaven all evil os stripped fro them but all this tempering will be stripped of all the others.

peoples true dark nature will be revealed. wothour any love any goodness to temper it.
crunchyfrog 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 5:24 
To anyone questioning their beliefs I THOROUGHLY recommend the Recovering from Religion foundation. Look them up.

Also go watch programmes on Youtube like The Line or the Atheist Experience. Call in and ask them questions.

Religion is a demonstrable force for bad especially in places like the US where it's being used to force through some really awful ideas that are harmful to society and regressive.

Also, google critical thinking, and scepticism.
☎need4naiim☎ 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 5:26 
When you purify Christianity from ancient Roman culture and when you purify Islam from ancient Arabian culture, you arrive at same destination;

The Religion of God (Rab, Allah) in Valhalla.
crunchyfrog 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 5:28 
引用自 ☎need4naiim☎
When you purify Christianity from ancient Roman culture and when you purify Islam from ancient Arabian culture, you arrive at same destination;

The Religion of God (Rab, Allah) in Valhalla.
Of course you do - they come from the same original texts.

SAaid it a milliontimes on here.

The library in Timbuktu in Mali has (or had) the precursor texts that both the Bible and the Quran were copied from. That's why Boko Haram burned the place down as they couldn't tolerate that,
De Hollandse Ezel 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 5:33 
to op :

Peace in this world is irrelvant. this world will pass and Christ will one day judge all.
Being Christian is far more than just being in Church it is knowing God truelly personally talking with Him Trough the spirit not just being tought by man in institutuobal churches.
not that there is in itseld something wrong with going to one.. but many dont know anything about who God or Christ truelly is.. and many are more concerned more about their own influencesand ideas.

True peace can only be found in Christ even though this world will hate you for it and hate the message of Christ.
(for satan is in all that are not of Christ and satan hates nothing more than the Truth)

you say to chooce being Christian but as you talk.. I doubt you even ever spoken as in audable with God the Father.. you may mean choose ro be in a church.. speciificly your patents.
you indeed not need a church.. -you do need other believers around you to share your faith with but that can be done in much less institutiobal ways.

but most of all you should learn who Christ and what being Christian truelly means..
for even Christ is not allowed entry in many churches.

yes the path of following Christ is a hard one.. He spoke only yet they murdered him.. so they did with the apostles.. so the world willl hate all thar follow Him.
bit it not matters.

Don't care if what you say or donor thinq is pleasing to the ear of man.. only if it is just in Gods eyes. to do and say good is its owb reward for the world will hate you.

to only say and do whats non offensive in the ears of others.. may make you look like a better person in others eyes but really you arent.. you avoid being uncomfirtable while they go to hell unwarned.. without chance to change their ways cause you not spoke our?

it is true Christ did come to bring the sword.. but His is not one of death but of life.. not one we wield of steal.. but by being living testemonies.
tellng "what you do and are is not good and wont end well, you need forhiveness and help" while we live differently.. is our sword..
crunchyfrog 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 5:35 
引用自 De Hollandse Ezel
to op :

Peace in this world is irrelvant. this world will pass and Christ will one day judge all.
Being Christian is far more than just being in Church it is knowing God truelly personally talking with Him Trough the spirit not just being tought by man in institutuobal churches.
not that there is in itseld something wrong with going to one.. but many dont know anything about who God or Christ truelly is.. and many are more concerned more about their own influencesand ideas.

True peace can only be found in Christ even though this world will hate you for it and hate the message of Christ.
(for satan is in all that are not of Christ and satan hates nothing more than the Truth)

you say to chooce being Christian but as you talk.. I doubt you even ever spoken as in audable with God the Father.. you may mean choose ro be in a church.. speciificly your patents.
you indeed not need a church.. -you do need other believers around you to share your faith with but that can be done in much less institutiobal ways.

but most of all you should learn who Christ and what being Christian truelly means..
for even Christ is not allowed entry in many churches.

yes the path of following Christ is a hard one.. He spoke only yet they murdered him.. so they did with the apostles.. so the world willl hate all thar follow Him.
bit it not matters.

Don't care if what you say or donor thinq is pleasing to the ear of man.. only if it is just in Gods eyes. to do and say good is its owb reward for the world will hate you.

to only say and do whats non offensive in the ears of others.. may make you look like a better person in others eyes but really you arent.. you avoid being uncomfirtable while they go to hell unwarned.. without chance to change their ways cause you not spoke our?

it is true Christ did come to bring the sword.. but His is not one of death but of life.. not one we wield of steal.. but by being living testemonies.
tellng "what you do and are is not good and wont end well, you need forhiveness and help" while we live differently.. is our sword..
Except there's zero evicdence outside of the Bible that Christ even existed.

You can say all this and believe it, but you can't assert it to others as nobody's ever been able to prove any of this.

There are ZERO books outside of the bible that record Christ.
Sorry and all that.
Candyy 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 5:37 
引用自 chewbachman
引用自 Mr C.Folt Scruff
being critical of religion is not a bad thing but dont think atheism is all sunshine and rainbow either

Indeed, upstanding Atheists like Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot.

I keep hearing how if we got rid of religion the world would be a better place, but many of the worst actions in human history in a relatively short period of time, have been perpetrated by Atheist states and atheist state leaders.

Whether intentional or not, atheism is a denouncement of the common good. It doesn't exist. There is no spark of the divine. Just the laws of nature.

Religion is the reason of so many wars in the past :steambored:

Also, was not Adolf católico?? History is not my thing but I think I remember he was religious...
☎need4naiim☎ 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 5:46 
引用自 crunchyfrog
Except there's zero evicdence outside of the Bible that Christ even existed.

There are ZERO books outside of the bible that record Christ.
Sorry and all that.
Numerous different Verses in Qur'an tell us about Jesus Christ, his mother Mary the Virgin along with several other prophets from Adam to Muhammed (s.a.w). It even tells us the story of Atlantis but it is for another discussion.

This below is a bonus if you want to see how prominent Jesus Christ is for Muslims:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8jVxKgxvhAU
最後修改者:☎need4naiim☎; 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 5:53
❤ Sly Succubus ❤ 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 5:51 
引用自 ☎need4naiim☎
引用自 crunchyfrog
Except there's zero evicdence outside of the Bible that Christ even existed.

There are ZERO books outside of the bible that record Christ.
Sorry and all that.
Numerous different Verses in Qur'an tell us about Jesus Christ, his mother Mary the Virgin along with several other prophets from Adam to Muhammed (s.a.w). It even tells us the story of Atlantis but it is for another discussion.

This below is a bonus if you want to see how prominent Jesus Christ is for Muslims:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lQHR1eQe0ew
People had 2000 years to cook up stories mate. If it takes one woman with access to twitter to write the entire Harry Potter Saga and the new Fantastic Beasts in less then 20 years, then a few religions can cook up alot of stories in 2000 years.
crunchyfrog 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 5:54 
引用自 Candyy ♡
引用自 chewbachman

Indeed, upstanding Atheists like Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot.

I keep hearing how if we got rid of religion the world would be a better place, but many of the worst actions in human history in a relatively short period of time, have been perpetrated by Atheist states and atheist state leaders.

Whether intentional or not, atheism is a denouncement of the common good. It doesn't exist. There is no spark of the divine. Just the laws of nature.

Religion is the reason of so many wars in the past :steambored:

Also, was not Adolf católico?? History is not my thing but I think I remember he was religious...
Absolutely the nazis were.

Anyone can find knives from the SS that had their motto thereon "gott mit uns" (God with us).

As John Cleese or Michael Palin said famously in the 1970s "one day 200 years ago there was this guy who said 'hey wouldn't it be great if we could all get along?' and everybody's been killing each other ever since about the way he said it".
Enigmatic 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 5:58 
引用自 󠀡󠀡⁧⁧gza
引用自 Luck-E-lynx
Mahatma Gandhi — 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

That's because Christians reappropriated older teachings and stories, claiming them for their own gain.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=553090309

Well a lot of old Christian belief instantly was subverted with pagan teachings.
For instance in English they call it Easter. When in reality it's the passover. Pashka in Ukrainian and Pasqua in Italian. Yet in English they celebrate some pagan god of fertility.
Literally Martin Luther might of been an heretic and an adulterer but he was still right about the catholic church.

引用自 ☎need4naiim☎
When you purify Christianity from ancient Roman culture and when you purify Islam from ancient Arabian culture, you arrive at same destination;

The Religion of God (Rab, Allah) in Valhalla.

A lot of deception is out there. God is very merciful if you are deceived and do not know it.
But if you are willfully ignorant and ignore God's warnings is when you can expect punishment.
最後修改者:Enigmatic; 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 6:02
crunchyfrog 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 6:01 
引用自 εnigmatic
引用自 󠀡󠀡⁧⁧gza

That's because Christians reappropriated older teachings and stories, claiming them for their own gain.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=553090309

Well a lot of old Christian belief instantly was subverted with pagan teachings.
For instance in English they call it Easter. When in reality it's the passover. Pashka in Ukrainian and Pasqua in Italian. Yet in English they celebrate some pagan god of fertility.
Literally Martin Luther might of been an heretic and an adulterer but he was still right about the catholic church.
Well to be clear it's not exclusively or even majority pagan. It's a mish mash of all sorts of things.

It's really popular but inaccurate to claim the majority of it is pagan because it ain't.

Sure, there was the second century pope that set Christmas Day to line up with Saturnalia (apparently), and there's things like Ester that became Easter.

But like every other religion and tradition there's so much more from all over the place.

For example, the well documented decorating trees and presents are a victorian thing. And while not Christian, the well-know red and white bedecked Santa is a Coca Cola creation.
☎need4naiim☎ 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 6:05 
People had 2000 years to cook up stories mate. If it takes one woman with access to twitter to write the entire Harry Potter Saga and the new Fantastic Beasts in less then 20 years, then a few religions can cook up alot of stories in 2000 years.
Did those writers show miracles? Those sagas were always in existence but where are the miracles? Every prophet showed miracles, that's why billions believe (they believe but not practice most of the time, unfortunately) in the teachings of the prophets Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammed, particularly. Because they were the ones who showed multiple miracles.
De Hollandse Ezel 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 6:06 
引用自 crunchyfrog
引用自 Candyy ♡

Religion is the reason of so many wars in the past :steambored:

Also, was not Adolf católico?? History is not my thing but I think I remember he was religious...
Absolutely the nazis were.

Anyone can find knives from the SS that had their motto thereon "gott mit uns" (God with us).

As John Cleese or Michael Palin said famously in the 1970s "one day 200 years ago there was this guy who said 'hey wouldn't it be great if we could all get along?' and everybody's been killing each other ever since about the way he said it".

the nazi hated very much on Christianity.

hitler saw it as thar jewish corruption that turned the warlile arians into weaklings.
it be better in his eyes if islam had taken europe as least that had that warspirit.

hitler wantee to destroy christiabinity.
but he made strategic decisuons
-he postponed the persecution of catholics for his alliamce with italy.
-he accepted that the old germans now fightinh were still christian.. but he was mindwashimg the next generations.. in 2 generstions the onçy faith left would be to the state and all remaining cjristians send to the conventtation camps.

church leaders had to preach nazi party policy and conply with thisconversuon to the state being germany's religion. those that did not ended in tje concebtrarion camos right than and there.

so no nazi were not christians.
had they won the war they would have purged all christians by now.
crunchyfrog 2023 年 12 月 25 日 下午 6:09 
引用自 De Hollandse Ezel
引用自 crunchyfrog
Absolutely the nazis were.

Anyone can find knives from the SS that had their motto thereon "gott mit uns" (God with us).

As John Cleese or Michael Palin said famously in the 1970s "one day 200 years ago there was this guy who said 'hey wouldn't it be great if we could all get along?' and everybody's been killing each other ever since about the way he said it".

the nazi hated very much on Christianity.

hitler saw it as thar jewish corruption that turned the warlile arians into weaklings.
it be better in his eyes if islam had taken europe as least that had that warspirit.

hitler wantee to destroy christiabinity.
but he made strategic decisuons
-he postponed the persecution of catholics for his alliamce with italy.
-he accepted that the old germans now fightinh were still christian.. but he was mindwashimg the next generations.. in 2 generstions the onçy faith left would be to the state and all remaining cjristians send to the conventtation camps.

church leaders had to preach nazi party policy and conply with thisconversuon to the state being germany's religion. those that did not ended in tje concebtrarion camos right than and there.

so no nazi were not christians.
had they won the war they would have purged all christians by now.

Nope they hated on particular CHURHCES.

They deonmstrably said they were doing god's work. There's a stark difference.

Again their regalia had GOTT MIT UNS on it. What part of that don't you understand?

You're demonstrably incorrect.
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