Popular New Music is AWFUL Today.

Haemorrhoid Graboid 6/set./2023 às 16:46

Escrito originalmente por InfamousBozo:
It's awful on purpose so the young and hip have something to themselves.

OMG that just gave me a flashback........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdJ785_u07E

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trousers 6/set./2023 às 16:52

Escrito originalmente por Xero_Daxter:
Not gonna lie but the song “Butter” by “BTS” goes hard.

“Smooth like butter. Like criminal undercover. Gon’ pop like trouble breaking into your heart like that!”

Sounds like a confession to me

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TwisterCat 6/set./2023 às 16:53

Normies happened. They talk and they talk and they talk, and they have 1 brain cell and it allows them to talk and watch content, and talk, and talk on the phone, and talk to their phone, and talk in their sleep.

They live hollow lives, and they like their boring music. They don't like think. They just, like, exist.

#33

[horse whinnies] 6/set./2023 às 17:19

At least OP included "popular" in the title. So sad when people say things like:

Escrito originalmente por Blunt Time, Roll Up Your Philly:
Agree, all new music today sucks.

It really doesn't, you just have to look outside of the plebian charts and top 10 lists. It's easier now than it ever was to find good music, and there's basically no excuse for having a bad/immature taste, unless that's what you're happy with.

People who think "new music sux" are lazy and/or dumb. Especially the ones that whine about "woke" or lgbt ruining everything. Put some effort in and stop expecting Netflix or whatever to spoonfeed you content.

Escrito originalmente por Aardvark:

How are you supposed to make a popular song without being cancelled?

So songs are generally super shallow and broad..

lol what?

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Tonepoet 6/set./2023 às 17:59

Every successive generation has to hear flack about how their music was worse than that of their predecessors, and back when the Beatles were just starting out, they would've been considered as a mere boy-band that could never hold a candle to the likes of, oh, say Miles Davis.

Here is some of what was written about the Beatles back during their heyday[mccartney.com] in 1964:

“With their bizarre shrubbery, the Beatles are obviously a press agent’s dream combo. Not even their mothers would claim that they sing well…”—The L.A. Times

"“The Beatles are not merely awful; I would consider it sacrilegious to say anything less than that they are god awful. They are so unbelievably horribly, so appallingly unmusical, so dogmatically insensitive to the magic of the art that they qualify as crowned heads of anti-music…,”—The Boston Globe.

The beatles were basically the 'n sync and backstreet boys of their era. The only difference between now and the 1960s is that it's the hippies' turn to act as Cranky Kong, or in other words, you became your parents. Only time will tell which musicians of today will stand its test and who is even worthy of comparison with the best of yesteryear.

Far be it from me to object to the flack though. Quite to the contrary, the simplest explanation is the one that each generation so desperately wants to deny is that music is getting progressively worse. Beethoven achieved more in just the three opening notes of the fifth symphony than most composers achieve throughout their entire careers: Oppressive domination of the entire musical scene. Even going so far back as that, people are still claiming that his predecessor Mozart was his superior!

Heck, even among video game music, some of the best is the selection A music from the gameboy version of Tetris, which, wouldn't you know it, is simply remixed from an old Russian folksong entitled Korobeiniki!

So, basically, what happened is that time passed. It kind of makes sense too, considering that each innovation is only innovative once, thus as each musician writes a new song. It does not matter how talented of a composer you are: If the best piece of music of all time was already written, then you can never be its author!

Última edição por Tonepoet; 6/set./2023 às 21:53

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WhiteKnight77 6/set./2023 às 18:49

Escrito originalmente por Tonepoet:
Every successive generation has to hear flack about how their music was worse than that of their predecessors, and back when the Beatles were just starting out, they would've been considered as a mere boy-band that could never hold a candle to the likes of, oh, say Miles Davis.

Here is some of what was written about the Beatles back during their heyday[mccartney.com] in 1964:

“With their bizarre shrubbery, the Beatles are obviously a press agent’s dream combo. Not even their mothers would claim that they sing well…”—The L.A. Times

"“The Beatles are not merely awful; I would consider it sacrilegious to say anything less than that they are god awful. They are so unbelievably horribly, so appallingly unmusical, so dogmatically insensitive to the magic of the art that they qualify as crowned heads of anti-music…,”—The Boston Globe.

The beatles were basically the 'n sync and backstreet boys of their era. The only difference between now and the 1960s is that it's the hippies' turn to act as Cranky Kong, or in other words, you became your parents. Only time will tell which musicians of today will stand its test and who is even worthy of comparison with the best of yesteryear.

Far be it from me to object to the flack though. Quite to the contrary, the simplest explanation is the one that each generation so desperately wants to deny is that music is getting progressively worse. Beethoven achieved more in just the three opening notes of the fifth symphony than most composers achieve throughout their entire careers: Oppressive domination of the entire musical scene. Even going so far back as that, people are still claiming that his predecessor Mozart was his superior!

Heck, even among video game music, some of the best is the selection A music from the gameboy version of Tetris, which, wouldn't you know it, is simply remixed from an old Russian folksong entitled Kurobeiniki!

So, basically, what happened is that time passed. It kind of makes sense too, considering that each innovation is only innovative once, thus as each musician writes a new song. It does not matter how talented of a composer you are: If the best piece of music of all time was already written, then you can never be its author!

A big difference between The Beatles and The Backstreet Boys is that The Beatles actually played instruments, and just didn't prance around the stage singing.

Escrito originalmente por crunchyfrog:
You should watch Rick Beato on Youtube- a well respected engineer, producer and songwriter who has had hit records.

He lays it out as to why this is. And it's basically dow to corporations now owning all the labels. This means that they sign up artists on 360 deals (which are dodgy as hell) and this means that they get little control over what to do.

They're product and in the most cases, they get to sing a piece that some writer has written who they've never met. So needles to say it lacks any passion as you don't BELIEVE the singer, and is formulaic to the nth degree.

So it all sounds the same, all has a very banal and broing emote and is just disinteresting.

But that doesn't mean there isn't goo dmusic out there - you just have to dig deeper.

For myself, I count myself lucky. I grew up through the 1970s glame rock, prog rock, punk, SKA, post punk, new romantic, indie darlings like the Smiths and the Stone Roses, then acid house and rave and so on.

Not only that but I don't listen to radio or TV and havent' done in decades. I get my sources from live stuff and working at music festivals and word of mouth.

Working at Glastonbury every year gives me access to over 1000 artists each time. You can't lose.

Rick has done a bunch of videos about why people hate today's music so much, and one of the things he talked about was the use of Autotune, as well as click tracks (Me: for the beats).

Jimmy Page when getting the record deal with Atlantic Records, ensured that both he and the group were paid (Peter Grant made sure of that for sure) and that they were going to produce their own albums. Many people do not realize that both Page and Jones were accomplished session musicians and played on songs such as Donovan's Hurdy Gurdy Man and Sunshine Superman so he knew the music business before even forming Zeppelin.

Now people just have to sit down at the computer, open up a program and get any sounds they want, without even having to play an instrument and record label A&R men eat it up sadly.

#36

crunchyfrog 6/set./2023 às 20:28

Escrito originalmente por Tonepoet:
Every successive generation has to hear flack about how their music was worse than that of their predecessors, and back when the Beatles were just starting out, they would've been considered as a mere boy-band that could never hold a candle to the likes of, oh, say Miles Davis.

Here is some of what was written about the Beatles back during their heyday[mccartney.com] in 1964:

“With their bizarre shrubbery, the Beatles are obviously a press agent’s dream combo. Not even their mothers would claim that they sing well…”—The L.A. Times

"“The Beatles are not merely awful; I would consider it sacrilegious to say anything less than that they are god awful. They are so unbelievably horribly, so appallingly unmusical, so dogmatically insensitive to the magic of the art that they qualify as crowned heads of anti-music…,”—The Boston Globe.

The beatles were basically the 'n sync and backstreet boys of their era. The only difference between now and the 1960s is that it's the hippies' turn to act as Cranky Kong, or in other words, you became your parents. Only time will tell which musicians of today will stand its test and who is even worthy of comparison with the best of yesteryear.

Far be it from me to object to the flack though. Quite to the contrary, the simplest explanation is the one that each generation so desperately wants to deny is that music is getting progressively worse. Beethoven achieved more in just the three opening notes of the fifth symphony than most composers achieve throughout their entire careers: Oppressive domination of the entire musical scene. Even going so far back as that, people are still claiming that his predecessor Mozart was his superior!

Heck, even among video game music, some of the best is the selection A music from the gameboy version of Tetris, which, wouldn't you know it, is simply remixed from an old Russian folksong entitled Kurobeiniki!

So, basically, what happened is that time passed. It kind of makes sense too, considering that each innovation is only innovative once, thus as each musician writes a new song. It does not matter how talented of a composer you are: If the best piece of music of all time was already written, then you can never be its author!

While this is true, and there is merit to those times people not liking the newer music, today it is DEMONSTRABLY based on actual evidence as being lesser.

This is why I pointed out people like Rick Beato who demonstrates why - from the fact that big companies own the labels and offer crappy 360 deals for artists which mean that (amongst other things) they don't tend to write any music. They just sing the lines they're presented.

And those songs are often written by one of their many "farms" of songwriters. So you get people singing songs that mean very little and are presented dispassionately because the singer has no personal connection.

On top of this, there's the issues that the music is demonstrably very formulaic. Again Rick Beato lays this out and he has focused on one particular trait where so many songs focus on a two chord progression.

So yes there iS actual empirical evidence of this being a thing nowadays. Because it's literally set up this way.

It's not dissimilar to companies like those in film that turn out films like "Boss Baby". They're manufactured on the cheap purely because they know it's a good way of mazimizing profit. A lot will fail but if one does well they make so much it funds all the others.

Basically, it's minimal effort stuff done to a formula.

#37

HarleyIsntReal 6/set./2023 às 21:02

can't connect to people around my age on music because they like all this new weird stuff

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craigsters 6/set./2023 às 21:09

https://youtu.be/PwSd1_K8bjQ?si=OWcxiXzUyL0Ie5np
not sure if this is the breathe cover I heard in the fast and the furious

the last three fast and the furious movies had this awful auto-tune rap mixes and ruined the prodigy's breathe song by having it mixed in with auto-tune rap

#39

what? 6/set./2023 às 21:22

The internet + capitalism happened.

Anyone can download a DAW and put something together with samples or MIDI chord packs. The bare minimum.

Anyone can put themselves out there. It isn't like the 80's where you needed a group of highly skilled people to make something with a limited supply of expensive tape.

Then you have predatory labels that have always hunted for impressions, not quality. It cultivated a cult of rich idiots that jerk themselves off over how good they can market to people.

Too much effort is frowned upon, and more easily made/easily digestible "fast-food" music gets encouraged instead.

You'll have to look at the bottom of the barrel to find real music. Problem is, that's at the bottom of the barrel with all the other garbage.

Same fate as all forms of media, really. Video games, writing, movies...

On the bright side, AI generated music is just around the corner. A black hole of easily producible slop that will suck the record labels into an event horizon. Good riddance, you get what you give, etc.

Maybe it'll give real music a chance again...

#40

JobeGardener 6/set./2023 às 21:36

If it is so bad then why don't you show us something better? At least the musicians don't call you a loser on the internet because you did't make it. At least they can say they did something which is more than what you can say.

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Candyy 6/set./2023 às 21:39

Escrito originalmente por mai72:
We went from the Beatles, Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Michael Jackson, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Nirvana, Sound Garden, 2pac, Biggie, NAS, OutKast too....

The Island Boys and Lil Xan.

What happened?

Is always the same thing...

Always the elders complaining about new music becuase is not what it was before when they grew up and now it has changed and is completly different... Basically nostalgia most of the time

#42

talemore 6/set./2023 às 21:44

Nobody owns a radio or watch tv. Mad places in the echo chamber

#43

crunchyfrog 6/set./2023 às 23:16

Escrito originalmente por JobeGardener:
If it is so bad then why don't you show us something better? At least the musicians don't call you a loser on the internet because you did't make it. At least they can say they did something which is more than what you can say.

Deopends what you want.

If you mean a certain genre, or even what attributes you deem determine better.

Some might point out that musical technicality means better, but that doesn't always equate to listenable or interesting (which is why pop music always has sucha wide appeal egenrally, because of simplicity).

I personally have never liked jazz of really any kind except maybe the real early stuff my dad used to have. Simple reason being that it's overly complex a lot of the time and it just has no interest to me.

But take something like the Stone Roses - a group which turned out tunes that were simplistic in chord structure but catchy as hell, passionate and upbeat in tone. That really floats my boat.

But generally speaking you could go through any of the ages and pick out any of the well recognised and respected artists like Jimi Hendrix, the Beatles, or go through things like Ska and start with groups like the Specials, Madness, the Beat and the Selecter. Or go through punk and choose the Clash, the Sex Pistols, The Damned, the Cure.

Or go through post punk and new wave and srat with Blondie, Talking Heads, Television, Joy Division, and go onto the Smiths and other indie bands.

It really depends what you want to start with but I'd generally advise looking at what is well reported as being well regarded and renowned in their circles.

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Yew Nough 6/set./2023 às 23:29

Escrito originalmente por mai72:
What happened?

Payola.

An 'artist' with a lot of money pays a reputable advertiser to push their product on a large scale and people either fall for it or ignore it.

Cardi B talked about how she payed 60K to a radio station to play her songs a set amount of times per hour. That's all it takes now.

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