How long do you think until woke-ism in media is finally dead?

[Dobke]

How long until most game makers and hollywood realize that everything woke they put out end up flopping in revenue and sales? Not only that but review scores too.

I honestly thought it would've ended sooner, but we still getting more woke garbage released and I hope in 2024 it'll die down or maybe they turn it down a notch.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

Give it 5 - 10 years and it will go away like BLM.

[Mr. Tex]

Clearly they don't care about making money anymore, since they keep making flop after flop.

If I were an investor in these companies I would be deeply concerned because these producers are not learning anything from their mistakes. They would rather be political martyrs than successful businessmen and creators of cultural value.

I'm sure they get compensated for their losses by Soros, Bezos & Co though.

While I do think diversity is positive cause, hiring activists is the wrong path because these people have zero artistic ability or skill, they don't know how to write or create anything of cultural value. They only know how to destroy or upset culture, that's the root of any activism.

In the past, shows like Star Trek for example, were written by actual authors, who wrote books and novels. So even though these shows were very progressive, they were done with genuine artistic talent, by people who knew how to convey a message without preaching, insulting and villifying people, and knew how to create something of cultural value and significance.

This downfall of Hollywood coincides with the demise of the professional and talented Hollywood writer.

So why save Hollywood? let it go bankrupt and ruin itself, it's the best outcome.

[Dom]

"Wokeism" doesn't die because it's a buzzword that is simply used to describe everything (basically the whole package of various views) that a person disagrees with.

In other words, because there will always be things (social views) that people disagree on, therefore there will always be "wokeism". Those two things are interconnected essentially.

It only dies if people stop using that buzzword to describe everything they disagree with.

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Woke will end when there's no longer power in the woke ideology. The only thing woke people care about is power.

When those young progressive woke voters support this stuff they get to stand on their moral soap-boxes and announce to all their social media friends how they're good people and gain some form of social power, especially after they "character sheets" add up all the special boxes they tick on the social order box. (Brave Woman? Tiny bit of Clout. Lesbian? Even more clout. Trans-woman whose a lesbian? Step aside ladies this lady is the uber-clouter.

Anyone see the trailer for the movie Lady Ballers? Looks like it could be funny, but imagine if it makes money...an anti-woke movie making a ton of money would send a powerful message to all those woke companies who are losing billions to woke scripts.

Indeed. It's just with any bully. It gets its power from others -- mostly fellow cowards. That power lasts until enough people step up and oppose.

Old saying is, in order for evil to triumph is enough that good people do nothing. That's how we got the nazi, the holocaust, the war-communism, and lot of other bad things.

Considering that people who are not really part of the cult are reluctant to stand up and tend to chose coasting, we can expect a long reign of this BS, unless some accident happens to its main pushers.

[hehexd]

yeah probably another 5-10 years, a new political and economic cycle will do it

[crunchyfrog]

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İlk olarak crunchyfrog tarafından gönderildi:

Way to strawman and not understand.

I'm sorry you dont' get it but you are conflating sex and gender again.

Let me spell it out in really basic SCIENCE. Gender is a man made contruct. You don't get MEN in gender. You get what your society shas as what is popular or acceptable to express and dress yourself in and NOTHING more.

So yes, those guys in Africa are still guys. I clearly said so. But that wasn't the point - the point is that it's their GENDER IN THEIR SOCIETY for the men to wear dresses and make up to court and express themselves.

And in Indie (I note you ignored this one) there ais a culture that has ONE gender. ONE. BTo make it clear both men and women EXPRESS THEMSELVES THE SAME. They are still men and women, not how you dishonestly paint it.

And you are wrong about sex. Again science DEMONSTRATES this. So what do you call the two people I know that have BOTH sets of genitals then, oh wise one?

What do you call those who are born with THREE sets of chromosomes, effectively being both XX and XY?

Answer me that and answerme why you are against what science demonstrates.

It's clear that gender/sex are the same thing. Men and women are separated in society in a variety of ways largely to protect women or enable women to have a "fair" chance, and yet the trans-movement will claim that gender/sex are different and yet once someone changes their identity to that of the opposite biological sex, it's assumed that all the separation via sex, should now be open to these folks.

Cool, then demonstrate your scientific evidence that's the case and why you know better than science.

I've given you links right there to two actual scientists who give you plenty of scientific sources.

So have at it - present your evidence. You might get a Nobel Prize if yuou can overturn science.

[crunchyfrog]

İlk olarak hehexd tarafından gönderildi:

yeah probably another 5-10 years, a new political and economic cycle will do it

Except again, you need to look outside your borders and learn stuff.

What you'll find out is that many countries in the rest of the world don't have such religiosity and such pushing this scaremongering and you'll find that some of the best countries in the world have frankly accepted and had all basic empathy for decades.

Here in Europe, for example, we have certain rights that protect discrimiation against being gaym, trans, disabled, of any race and so on.

And again science demonstrates how this works too. It isn't political or at least it wasn't until a certain political party in the US started making up lies about it.

You should also look at their history - they tried pushing similar things in the past.

Such as the "satanic panic" of the 1980s. Remember when heavy rock and metal was pushed exactly the same as the next crisi to society? How'd that work out?

Or what about before that with "reefer madness"?

And so on.

Perhaps go and actually learn some history and evidence based stuff.

[Ulfrinn]

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İlk olarak Chunk Norris ☯ tarafından gönderildi:

It's clear that gender/sex are the same thing. Men and women are separated in society in a variety of ways largely to protect women or enable women to have a "fair" chance, and yet the trans-movement will claim that gender/sex are different and yet once someone changes their identity to that of the opposite biological sex, it's assumed that all the separation via sex, should now be open to these folks.

Cool, then demonstrate your scientific evidence that's the case and why you know better than science.

I've given you links right there to two actual scientists who give you plenty of scientific sources.

So have at it - present your evidence. You might get a Nobel Prize if yuou can overturn science.

You cherry picked two people out of hundreds that said what you wanted to hear. Congrats. You probably had to dig deep to find them. Or some media outlet likely served them up to you on a platter.

[Ulfrinn]

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I just ignore it

As does the rest of the available market. Hence tanking sales. With any luck companies like Disney will have to sell off IPs like Star Wars and Marvel to people that actually do give a ♥♥♥♥ though.

[Siluva]

İlk olarak Ulfrinn tarafından gönderildi:

You cherry picked two people out of hundreds that said what you wanted to hear. Congrats. You probably had to dig deep to find them. Or some media outlet likely served them up to you on a platter.

Plus there is pretty much no scientific evidences in there but obscure influencers doing some mental gymnastics to prove their point, I see no scientific sources but links for mechandising websites. Classic Crunchy.

As usual, the ones screaming about "muuuh science" don't know ♥♥♥♥ about it and just follow brainlessly any pseudo scientists who support their ideology.

[Not Big Surprise]

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İlk olarak Ulfrinn tarafından gönderildi:

You cherry picked two people out of hundreds that said what you wanted to hear. Congrats. You probably had to dig deep to find them. Or some media outlet likely served them up to you on a platter.

Plus there is pretty much no scientific evidences in there but obscure influencers doing some mental gymnastics to prove their point, I see no scientific sources but links for mechandising websites. Classic Crunchy.

As usual, the ones screaming about "muuuh science" don't know ♥♥♥♥ about it and just follow brainlessly any pseudo scientists who support their ideology.

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/%20what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people%20/

i always like to bring up this whenever people insist that there's "pretty much no evidence" that allowing people to be themselves, and allowing them access to the tools they need to make their looks reflect that, is beneficial for said people

[Siluva]

İlk olarak Not Big Surprise tarafından gönderildi:

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/%20what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people%20/

i always like to bring up this whenever people insist that there's "pretty much no evidence" that allowing people to be themselves, and allowing them access to the tools they need to make their looks reflect that, is beneficial for said people

That's just proove people feel better (but let's dismiss the post-op suicidal rate because it don't fit your narrative) after their transition, or at least, they are telling they feel better aka a whole nothing burger brought by another "muuuuuh science" zealot trying to push an agenda.

I still don't see anything like brain scans or such about how they have a "female brain trapped in a man body" as people like to claim. And still, mental illness is not the norm, just as birth defect =/= gender. Nice try tho'.

[Hammer Of Evil]

well when you can use something to make a lot of money or generate a lot of outrage, it becomes an economic tool you can use.

[Not Big Surprise]

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İlk olarak Not Big Surprise tarafından gönderildi:

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/%20what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people%20/

i always like to bring up this whenever people insist that there's "pretty much no evidence" that allowing people to be themselves, and allowing them access to the tools they need to make their looks reflect that, is beneficial for said people

That's just proove people feel better (but let's dismiss the post-op suicidal rate because it don't fit your narrative) after their transition, or at least, they are telling they feel better aka a whole nothing burger brought by another "muuuuuh science" zealot trying to push an agenda.

are you referring to that one study that the author themselves went out of the way to point out compares post-op trans people's mental health to cis people's mental health? the one that everyone keeps claiming proves that srs makes things worse?
or are you talking about a different study?

I still don't see anything like brain scans or such about how they have a "female brain trapped in a man body" as people like to claim.

leaving aside that it's more likely, it's still ultimately figure of speech

And still, mental illness is not the norm, just as birth defect =/= gender. Nice try tho'.

being trans isn't a mental illness

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Likely never because the funny thing about woke is...is once you get rid of one problem under it, another one will appear. For example even if you get rid of gender issues, a new one will rise in its place. Hell does no one remember in the early 2000's that what was often more of a situation of skin color?

Woke culture has existed long enough that its just an umbrella term now for "Whatever the internet has the largest issue with at that current place and time"