What do you think about piracy?

[Anomalous ⁧ 󠁳 ⁧Anonymous]

just curious

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If you pirate a movie or a single song or a game you should be fined 1 million USD and be sent to jail for no longer then 25 years. This is the same as murder because you are taking money away from the people that work hard in making it so you are taking food out of their mouth and their families mouth.

[RRW359]

Publicado originalmente por You Down With O.P.P.?:

If you pirate a movie or a single song or a game you should be fined 1 million USD and be sent to jail for no longer then 25 years. This is the same as murder because you are taking money away from the people that work hard in making it so you are taking food out of their mouth and their families mouth.

What if you use Windows 7 and want to keep playing the games you bought on Steam after 2024? Is Piracy instead of upgrading your OS taking money out of Microsoft's pocket? What if they simply don't sell the game you want? Or what if EA completely re-do's their storefront and half your games no longer work? Also would anyone who isn't deterred by the 250000 fine and five years in prison really be deterred by 25 years in prison and a 1000000 fine without an increase in the likelihood of enforcement, and if taking money out of their pockets is akin to murder does that mean any company that performs wage theft should get a punishment similar to murder?

[Thermal Lance]

A necessary evil because gaming companies suck at preserving their legacy.

[EDSHOT]

Piracy is needed and is going to stay, but of course will still be illegal.

I never liked to torrent because many groups out there released garbage encodes so I would manually rip the bluray disc and encode myself so I can watch my stuff in Kodi.
Kodi is quite the God-send media center compared to using broken garbage with garbage content like Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc.
Besides I get to own and control my content with Kodi while with everything else I can't.

The biggest problem I faced is that it is very time and resource intensive to do all this. Each bluray takes 50GB and each encode will pin the cpu at 100% and take three hours minimum to encode. TV shows became painful to do especially ones with long seasons.

Eventually I found some groups who knew what they were doing and starting to torrent their releases to save myself the time and have been happy since. Too bad every anime group out there is bad, but you are not going to always find everything which is fine by me. As long as I get most work done.

As for games I never torrent. Those cracked game groups releases are the worst I have ever seen. Pointless anyways too. You are just better off buying the game on Steam and making your own backup. It is brain dead easy.

If only there was something like Steam for movies, tvshows, and music that I could load into Kodi. That would be worth the money.

[The Wilsonest Wilson]

Understandable if it's an overpriced AAA game or a really old game that you can't buy anymore.

But those who pirate indie games are the worst type of people.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Publicado originalmente por Sixtyfivekills:

Straw Hats are cool.

tbh one piece has the pirate spirit

but that's about it


it's literally a weeb's fantasy but with pirates
at least the entry level to mid level ones

[Dutchgamer1982]

piracy was and is good for the gaming community.

**the thought that a pirated game decreases sales is false..
-> ACTUAL results find that as people can pirate more, they also spend more on games..
sure they may pirate 100 games.. but the end result is still they buy 400 euro a year with that pirating.. while without it they spend not even halve that.
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Pirated copies serve more as advertisement, as people still want to own "the real thing"
unless that "real thing" has little replay value and/or is hyped crap.
-> and there comes the point.. it is mostly big studio.. who spend more on advertisement than making actual good products that are into this whole piracy propaganda.. if anything should be against the law it should be the copyright laws..

NOT combating piracy means users get better quality control.. and thus better products.. while the industry as a whole gets more funds to make those products with..
it is GOOD.

also with legal piracy.. crap like steam drm that forces you to update to an os that cannot even run the game you bought... is removed too.. more user rights, like a return of the right to second hand sale, 30 day unlimited hours played returns, and the likes.

and with windows 10 killing legacy games.. and steam killing support for older os.. piracy is the only way to keep older titles alive..
-> there should be laws that moves such titles to the public domain.. much sooner than for other media.. meaning it would be legal to distribute those titles.. piracy is one way to enforce such laws to come into place..

[crunchyfrog]

Publicado originalmente por A&A ✠:

A few months ago, a friend of mine was looking for an old game that is abandonware, so I found what he was looking for in archive org, and because the site allows downloads via torrents, and the download speed was terribly slow, something like 200kb/s, I started downloading the files. They got to about 30% then my friend started downloading at 10MB/s from me which was great.
That's exactly the beauty of torrents is that file sharing doesn't just depend on one system, but on the participants, which makes the service cheaper to maintain and more reliable.

Exactly right.

Not only this but in addition to what I said above about torrenting being a bloody good way of say, sharing photos with friends that live abroad, even actual legal publishers use peer-to-peer networks too.

World of Warcraft traditonallly used to for updates. I've no idea if they still do.

[will]

Publicado originalmente por Dutchgamer1982:

piracy was and is good for the gaming community.

**the thought that a pirated game decreases sales is false..
-> ACTUAL results find that as people can pirate more, they also spend more on games..
sure they may pirate 100 games.. but the end result is still they buy 400 euro a year with that pirating.. while without it they spend not even halve that.
|
Pirated copies serve more as advertisement, as people still want to own "the real thing"
unless that "real thing" has little replay value and/or is hyped crap.
-> and there comes the point.. it is mostly big studio.. who spend more on advertisement than making actual good products that are into this whole piracy propaganda.. if anything should be against the law it should be the copyright laws..

NOT combating piracy means users get better quality control.. and thus better products.. while the industry as a whole gets more funds to make those products with..
it is GOOD.

also with legal piracy.. crap like steam drm that forces you to update to an os that cannot even run the game you bought... is removed too.. more user rights, like a return of the right to second hand sale, 30 day unlimited hours played returns, and the likes.

and with windows 10 killing legacy games.. and steam killing support for older os.. piracy is the only way to keep older titles alive..
-> there should be laws that moves such titles to the public domain.. much sooner than for other media.. meaning it would be legal to distribute those titles.. piracy is one way to enforce such laws to come into place..

look at this gem from a normie who thinks they've cracked the code on the benefits of piracy. i can't even... piracy as a service to the gaming community? that's cute. here's the thing, normie: while you're patting yourself on the back for supposedly supporting game developers by pirating their hard work, those of us in the know understand that there's more to it than meets the eye.

sure, some players might discover a title through piracy and eventually buy the real thing. but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that the majority of pirates have this altruistic goal in mind. most just want free stuff. and your argument about big studios and their "propaganda"? please. there's a reason why indie developers, who don't have the budget for fancy ad campaigns, still suffer from piracy. it's because pirates want free games. period.

and about your take on drm and steam... just because a game requires you to update doesn't mean it's some vast conspiracy against users. maybe, just maybe, developers are trying to improve their products? and the idea that piracy is the savior of legacy games? while it's true that piracy can sometimes preserve older titles, it's not some noble crusade to save gaming history. at the end of the day, pirates are in it for themselves. so, normie, before you champion piracy as the hero of the gaming world, maybe take a step back and look at the bigger picture. but i wouldn't expect someone with such a basic understanding of the industry to get that.

[RRW359]

Publicado originalmente por will:

Publicado originalmente por Dutchgamer1982:

piracy was and is good for the gaming community.

**the thought that a pirated game decreases sales is false..
-> ACTUAL results find that as people can pirate more, they also spend more on games..
sure they may pirate 100 games.. but the end result is still they buy 400 euro a year with that pirating.. while without it they spend not even halve that.
|
Pirated copies serve more as advertisement, as people still want to own "the real thing"
unless that "real thing" has little replay value and/or is hyped crap.
-> and there comes the point.. it is mostly big studio.. who spend more on advertisement than making actual good products that are into this whole piracy propaganda.. if anything should be against the law it should be the copyright laws..

NOT combating piracy means users get better quality control.. and thus better products.. while the industry as a whole gets more funds to make those products with..
it is GOOD.

also with legal piracy.. crap like steam drm that forces you to update to an os that cannot even run the game you bought... is removed too.. more user rights, like a return of the right to second hand sale, 30 day unlimited hours played returns, and the likes.

and with windows 10 killing legacy games.. and steam killing support for older os.. piracy is the only way to keep older titles alive..
-> there should be laws that moves such titles to the public domain.. much sooner than for other media.. meaning it would be legal to distribute those titles.. piracy is one way to enforce such laws to come into place..

look at this gem from a normie who thinks they've cracked the code on the benefits of piracy. i can't even... piracy as a service to the gaming community? that's cute. here's the thing, normie: while you're patting yourself on the back for supposedly supporting game developers by pirating their hard work, those of us in the know understand that there's more to it than meets the eye.

sure, some players might discover a title through piracy and eventually buy the real thing. but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that the majority of pirates have this altruistic goal in mind. most just want free stuff. and your argument about big studios and their "propaganda"? please. there's a reason why indie developers, who don't have the budget for fancy ad campaigns, still suffer from piracy. it's because pirates want free games. period.

and about your take on drm and steam... just because a game requires you to update doesn't mean it's some vast conspiracy against users. maybe, just maybe, developers are trying to improve their products? and the idea that piracy is the savior of legacy games? while it's true that piracy can sometimes preserve older titles, it's not some noble crusade to save gaming history. at the end of the day, pirates are in it for themselves. so, normie, before you champion piracy as the hero of the gaming world, maybe take a step back and look at the bigger picture. but i wouldn't expect someone with such a basic understanding of the industry to get that.

How does EA "improve" 20+ year old games by switching from Origin to the new app and not letting you play some games while admitting it's their fault? Why is it Valve's duty to "improve" people's lives by making them chose between losing all their purchases and buying a new OS (maybe even a new PC) to play 15+ year old single-player games? I was so-so on Piracy before my old CNC titles I bought stopped working and I had to buy them a third time, but now regardless of motives there has to be a way to keep using your purchases after a company decides not to let you or even just accidentally makes it so you can't use them because of their third party software.

[pipe.surgeon]

Publicado originalmente por Anomalous ⁧ 󠁳 ⁧Anonymous:

What do you think about piracy?. Just curious

When it comes to certain dev companies, I will look the other way - the same way they look the other way when it comes to actually fixing issues with their games, providing basic support for people who legitimately purchased their game, and treating customers with respect. Those types of companies deserve it.

If you ♥♥♥♥ your players over, you're pretty much asking them to ♥♥♥♥ you over too. It's as simply as that.

[will]

Publicado originalmente por RRW359:

Publicado originalmente por will:

look at this gem from a normie who thinks they've cracked the code on the benefits of piracy. i can't even... piracy as a service to the gaming community? that's cute. here's the thing, normie: while you're patting yourself on the back for supposedly supporting game developers by pirating their hard work, those of us in the know understand that there's more to it than meets the eye.

sure, some players might discover a title through piracy and eventually buy the real thing. but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that the majority of pirates have this altruistic goal in mind. most just want free stuff. and your argument about big studios and their "propaganda"? please. there's a reason why indie developers, who don't have the budget for fancy ad campaigns, still suffer from piracy. it's because pirates want free games. period.

and about your take on drm and steam... just because a game requires you to update doesn't mean it's some vast conspiracy against users. maybe, just maybe, developers are trying to improve their products? and the idea that piracy is the savior of legacy games? while it's true that piracy can sometimes preserve older titles, it's not some noble crusade to save gaming history. at the end of the day, pirates are in it for themselves. so, normie, before you champion piracy as the hero of the gaming world, maybe take a step back and look at the bigger picture. but i wouldn't expect someone with such a basic understanding of the industry to get that.

How does EA "improve" 20+ year old games by switching from Origin to the new app and not letting you play some games while admitting it's their fault? Why is it Valve's duty to "improve" people's lives by making them chose between losing all their purchases and buying a new OS (maybe even a new PC) to play 15+ year old single-player games? I was so-so on Piracy before my old CNC titles I bought stopped working and I had to buy them a third time, but now regardless of motives there has to be a way to keep using your purchases after a company decides not to let you or even just accidentally makes it so you can't use them because of their third party software.

companies like ea and valve aren't charity organizations. they're businesses, and sometimes, business decisions lead to inconveniences for consumers. does that make it right? no. but it's hardly an endorsement for widespread piracy.

i get it, being forced to repurchase titles or having to jump through hoops to get them working on newer systems is infuriating. but be honest with yourself.. that's not the core reason why most people pirate. they do it because it's free and convenient. bringing up these issues as a justification for piracy is a smokescreen for the true motivation behind most piracy activities: not wanting to pay.

there IS a valid argument to be made about the preservation of digital media and consumers' rights to access content they've paid for. but the solution isn't as simple as "just pirate everything."

[RRW359]

Publicado originalmente por will:

Publicado originalmente por RRW359:

How does EA "improve" 20+ year old games by switching from Origin to the new app and not letting you play some games while admitting it's their fault? Why is it Valve's duty to "improve" people's lives by making them chose between losing all their purchases and buying a new OS (maybe even a new PC) to play 15+ year old single-player games? I was so-so on Piracy before my old CNC titles I bought stopped working and I had to buy them a third time, but now regardless of motives there has to be a way to keep using your purchases after a company decides not to let you or even just accidentally makes it so you can't use them because of their third party software.

companies like ea and valve aren't charity organizations. they're businesses, and sometimes, business decisions lead to inconveniences for consumers. does that make it right? no. but it's hardly an endorsement for widespread piracy.

i get it, being forced to repurchase titles or having to jump through hoops to get them working on newer systems is infuriating. but be honest with yourself.. that's not the core reason why most people pirate. they do it because it's free and convenient. bringing up these issues as a justification for piracy is a smokescreen for the true motivation behind most piracy activities: not wanting to pay.

there IS a valid argument to be made about the preservation of digital media and consumers' rights to access content they've paid for. but the solution isn't as simple as "just pirate everything."

No, the solution isn't to just pirate everything. But why would companies change their ways if you don't have any other choice? If they want me to be against piracy then give me another option, but as long as they aren't guaranteed to provide other options I'll advocate that their software be available on "unofficial" platforms until they do. If that causes them to lose business to people that actually want to get free stuff when they shouldn't then they shouldn't back law-abiding citizens into corners.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Publicado originalmente por pipe.surgeon:

Publicado originalmente por Anomalous ⁧ 󠁳 ⁧Anonymous:

What do you think about piracy?. Just curious

When it comes to certain dev companies, I will look the other way - the same way they look the other way when it comes to actually fixing issues with their games, providing basic support for people who legitimately purchased their game, and treating customers with respect. Those types of companies deserve it.

If you ♥♥♥♥ your players over, you're pretty much asking them to ♥♥♥♥ you over too. It's as simply as that.

so p much what happened to streaming sites / services once other companies started to divide them up

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