Thoughts on retro gaming?

[Chaosolous]

I like old games. Both old PC games and retro systems. I grew up playing SNES and NES games though.

[Chaosolous]

I think it’s kind of disappointing how the younger generation thinks that ads in video games (think mobile games), micro transactions, battle passes and live service games are what games should be. Most of this I think stems from parents letting kids use their phones as toys. The big gaming industry giants are banking on kids growing up thinking it’s the norm.

There was a post here earlier about how retro games are dead games. I disagree, they are finished games. The idea that everything must be constantly updated or it’s trash is already being reflected in todays gaming sphere. I think it’s kind of weird tbh.

Not all sequels are better either. I think one of the reasons I enjoy retro games is because I’m a gamer focused on gameplay mechanics first and graphics/fidelity after. It’s more important to me that a game be fun than pretty.

To the one guy who wrote a psychology thesis a few posts back. I appreciate the efforts but that’s TL;DR.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

i really like the rtype styles and pokemon x, style, and cel shading anime ones

[Q-T_3.14.exe]

Solitaire is a retro game.

[TheCreepyTank†™]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ulfrinn:

Diposting pertama kali oleh TheCreepyTank†™:

I had played a few games so far. I played the first Silent Hill game and also played the original Crash Bandicoot games as well. I would like to try the early Resident Evil Games as well as the early ones were for PlayStation 1.

PS1 era started seeing a lot of stuff ported to Windows PCs, that with a simple fan patch or tool like DGVoodoo2 will run on PC usually with better performance and no texture warping. For example, the REBirth patches are a simple drag and drop dll file you can drop into certain PC versions of the first three Resident Evil games, and they'll play flawlessly on modern hardware. The Tomb Raider stuff have decompiled, patched, and recompiled exe files you can drag and drop in to make those play flawlessly on a modern PC, with full resolution and widescreen.

Often you'll also find closer to PC ports of PS1 era games on the Dreamcast. RE2, RE3, Soul Reaver, Episode 1 racer, Jedi Power Battles, and a lot more were ported to Dreamcast with almost all PC available improvements.

One thing I really enjoyed about playing RE3 on PC with the REBirth patch is they let me turn off door animations.

I just briefly looked into that and I might just consider doing that. However, I also would like to play it on an emulator with a controller to get the feel of how it was originally meant to be played. It's also a real shame that these games are so rare and expensive yet copyright laws still make it illegal to download the ROMs and files for it despite game developers rarely if ever tracking down distributors and downloaders. This world is so upside down

[Ulfrinn]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Chaosolous:

I think it’s kind of disappointing how the younger generation thinks that ads in video games (think mobile games), micro transactions, battle passes and live service games are what games should be. Most of this I think stems from parents letting kids use their phones as toys. The big gaming industry giants are banking on kids growing up thinking it’s the norm.

There was a post here earlier about how retro games are dead games. I disagree, they are finished games. The idea that everything must be constantly updated or it’s trash is already being reflected in todays gaming sphere. I think it’s kind of weird tbh.

Not all sequels are better either. I think one of the reasons I enjoy retro games is because I’m a gamer focused on gameplay mechanics first and graphics/fidelity after. It’s more important to me that a game be fun than pretty.

To the one guy who wrote a psychology thesis a few posts back. I appreciate the efforts but that’s TL;DR.

Well that's because the generation of gamers before them did nothing to stop those practices when we knew what was going on. It may be the new normal for us, but it's just plain normal for them. Like I said in another thread, the time for gamers to say "no" to stop those sort of things passed a long time ago. Companies who were pioneering those practices needed to be sent a message that not enough people were willing to send, but it's why I refuse to buy anything EA or Ubisoft.

[DoomsDay]

the realism in art design in modern game, hurts my eye, and introduce lag.

some good object phasic, and good art work, is what makes game imo.

make the good guy stupid, make the villain the one that hand out quest.

doom 2015 did that once.

what game are they making? what narrative are language dictator trying to run?

why would I want to know about that?

[TheCreepyTank†™]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ☎need4naiim☎:

Diposting pertama kali oleh TheCreepyTank†™:

.... I am not a fan of modern gaming as the expectations don't meet my standards of having a good time. Current gaming is just grinding and "getting it done." It honestly feels like work, but video games are meant to be an escape from reality, not to mimic it....

Now, THAT, Mister, is the core of the problem.

That's why i think gaming will return to its roots in the future, with one way or another. Because we know where the problem persists.

Thank you for your valuable contribution. :thumbalift:

I appreciate your response and it is a sigh of relief to see someone else acknowledging this current issue in the gaming industry. I am also curious about your optimism as you seem to think that the gaming industry will eventually correct this problem. I also noticed how this happens in all aspects of the entertainment industry and not just video games. The average movie, song, literature, and Internet memes today are so bland and less creative compared to past works. I think society is also running out of ideas due to the past works we have preserved (pretty much repeating the same idea since it has been mentioned many times before). People today also run to the same themes for entertainment: money, ♥♥♥, power, and escaping reality in the most unnecessary ways possible (alcohol and substance use).

On top of that, political correctness and "wokeness" also don't help the issue in any way either. I hope you're right about the change because I can't see myself living the rest of my life with the garbage we have to deal with in today's media. Thanks for your thoughts.

[Ulfrinn]

Diposting pertama kali oleh TheCreepyTank†™:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ulfrinn:

PS1 era started seeing a lot of stuff ported to Windows PCs, that with a simple fan patch or tool like DGVoodoo2 will run on PC usually with better performance and no texture warping. For example, the REBirth patches are a simple drag and drop dll file you can drop into certain PC versions of the first three Resident Evil games, and they'll play flawlessly on modern hardware. The Tomb Raider stuff have decompiled, patched, and recompiled exe files you can drag and drop in to make those play flawlessly on a modern PC, with full resolution and widescreen.

Often you'll also find closer to PC ports of PS1 era games on the Dreamcast. RE2, RE3, Soul Reaver, Episode 1 racer, Jedi Power Battles, and a lot more were ported to Dreamcast with almost all PC available improvements.

One thing I really enjoyed about playing RE3 on PC with the REBirth patch is they let me turn off door animations.

I just briefly looked into that and I might just consider doing that. However, I also would like to play it on an emulator with a controller to get the feel of how it was originally meant to be played. It's also a real shame that these games are so rare and expensive yet copyright laws still make it illegal to download the ROMs and files for it despite game developers rarely if ever tracking down distributors and downloaders. This world is so upside down

For the Resident Evil stuff, the REBirth patch should also make the game fully compatible with a modern controller, you just need to look up the PS1 manual or guide to show you how it was mapped, and set up your controller accordingly. And since Playstation controllers have maintained the same basic layout since their inception, it's pretty easy to get the same feel.

[crunchyfrog]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dutchgamer1982:

It has gotten expensive...

1 : no new old. pc hardware is being made despite it could be done for pennies with todays production capacity.

2 : still working old hardware stocks are depleting cause of idiots scrapping it for resourcesm

3 : a handfull of maniacks have hoarded hundreds of old systems.. and are not selling any..

4 : many who never gamed in that era want to experience it.. bloody hipsters drive prices up.

I sold my system in 2005 for 20 euro.. to a poor person who did not have any pc..
**pentium 4 3200mhz
**4gb 133mhz dram
**360gb hd ide 7200rom
**geforce 2 500ti / voodoo 4 4500 agp (i owned both)
**creative audigy platinum
**plextor 16x8x48x cdrw
**pioneer 16x56x dvd
**floppydrive
**10/100/1000 ethernet
**21 inch crt triniton flatline 1600x1200

what I would not give to own it again.. these parts are imposdible to find now and likely it would cost nearly 10000 euro to get them all even if you did.

You're part correct and part wrong.

The correct part is generally yeah there's always depleting resources in things as they aren't made anymore. Welcome to colelcting!

Frankly it's ALWAYS been the case. I've often pointed out how I've collected records since the 1970s. Same rules apply.

But I've also kept all my computers and consoles since the 1970s too (bar one example). It's ALWAYS been the case because that's how humans work.

But to say that hipsters are holding onto them and pushing prices up is simply not true. I get why you THINK that, but it's not true. That sort of thing just doesnt' happen because it's a lot of work for very little.

You have to sit on things for YEARS to get anywhere and people who are after earning money don't do that. It's completely contrary to how they work - they want money QUICKLY.

I get why you think that because you look at things like Ebay auctions, or Youtube videos and see what gets advertised out there and you think that's a reflection of society at large. It isn't. These are few and far between but they appear more prevalent because that's how things like that twist your perspective.

What also happens that you've overlooked is demand. If people start wanting something, they end up turning their own solutions out.

You can go and look at any old console that existed and has issues.

Take for example older arcade Sega boards that have the so-called "suicide" batteries. Called thus because when the battery fails, it completely wipes the EPROM and the chips are useless forever. If you wish to change the battery you have to go through a detailed process of continuously keepingthat EPROM powered while you disconnect the old battery _ ANY disruption and it's dead.

So guess what people did? Created their own solutions third party.

Likewise when optical drives started failing on older systems - third party SD card solutions or something make things easier.

Thanks to FPGAs you can even get accurate reproductions of non existent CPUs now.

So you're rather wrong about how things go in that respect.

[Xautos]

Thoughts? other than not liking it called "retro" as if people from my generation are old fossils with a name like that, i call them "classics" because they are. you can't beat the games between 1990 and 2005, that truly was the golden age for gaming.

everything was brand new, new genres, new themes, new types of games and so forth. A lot of groundbreaking stuff for the market. These days it's repetition on a theme costing a lot more than back then. Occasionally there are outliers that prove to be as good as the classics because it does something different and new, but those are so rare to find these days.

[crunchyfrog]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Xautos:

Thoughts? other than not liking it called "retro" as if people from my generation are old fossils with a name like that, i call them "classics" because they are. you can't beat the games between 1990 and 2005, that truly was the golden age for gaming.

everything was brand new, new genres, new themes, new types of games and so forth. A lot of groundbreaking stuff for the market. These days it's repetition on a theme costing a lot more than back then. Occasionally there are outliers that prove to be as good as the classics because it does something different and new, but those are so rare to find these days.

While I don't tend to care about terms too much, I must agree with your point.

I like the term "classic" more as it fits with what other products and items are called in other spheres.

[Tazor]

Diposting pertama kali oleh TRethehedgehog:

Quake is life
Quake inspires all first person shooters

DOOM

I'm still playing DOOM mods. It's absolutely crazy what some people have done. The biggest ones I can think of are Project Brutality, Blade of Agony and Ashes 2063.

I felt like the Quake modding scene never took off like the DOOM scene.

[Phirestar]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Xautos:

Thoughts? other than not liking it called "retro" as if people from my generation are old fossils with a name like that

Fossils are things meant to be displayed inside of museums.[i.redd.it]

[crunchyfrog]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tazor:

Diposting pertama kali oleh TRethehedgehog:

Quake is life
Quake inspires all first person shooters

DOOM

I'm still playing DOOM mods. It's absolutely crazy what some people have done. The biggest ones I can think of are Project Brutality, Blade of Agony and Ashes 2063.

I felt like the Quake modding scene never took off like the DOOM scene.

Of all things, I often return to Doom.

I went off it for a while as I felt it was a bit dated. until I discovered BrutalDoom. That just gave it enough of a modernized kick without ruining the feel. Simply being able to look up and down and use somehwat proper targeting made it a million times better.

So yeah, even with John Romero himself creating new levels, that shows how much there is still in the old gal.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

game 1980 - 4 kilobyte
hours played - 40 hours?
graphics - lines

game 2023 - 120 gigabyte
hours played - 40 hours?
graphics - realistic