*Every* person is valuable, whether they are billionaires or poor people

[Dom]

I think everyone knows what news I'm referring to here - but I see there are some people who wish the worst for others simply because they are rich - for millionaires or billionaires, act as if their life isn't valuable.

Why? Really, WHY?

The value of a person cannot be reduced to their financial worth. Never. Each individual has their own unique qualities, experiences, and potential contributions to society that make them valuable and worthy of respect and recognition, putting their wealth aside. We should strive to see the humanity in every person, regardless of their wealth, and appreciate the unique gifts they bring to our collective world.

Most of the time when some person is rich, it directly translates to the fact that they have done significant job in driving economic growth and contributing to the overall social progress. They create jobs and invest in businesses, make our world better in many ways. While it is important to acknowledge the value of every person, including those who may not be as wealthy, we should also recognize the important contributions that rich people can and do make to our world.

To sum everything up, stop hating others, see value in every breathing being and life. If you refuse to do that, then I'm quite confident there is something wrong with you.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

Of course THEY have value...

Otherwise, they wouldn't be multi-millionaires and multi-billionaires.

The crack addict slumped over on the local street corner in his stained underwear, has no value to society...

Unless let's say his name is something silly and random like "Hoonter Briben" and his daddy is rich or powerful, like a king or something, and could bail him out from any crimes he committed so he wouldn't have to go to jail like any regular tax dodging, illegal gun owning, crack addict would.

Most millionaires and billionaires, become such by exploiting people and manipulating economies and politics in unscrupulous and immoral ways to make their lives better while screwing over anyone below them... In fact, I cannot think of a single modern billionaire that isn't some massive d-bag. Even when they give to charity it is usually for a tax-write-off or some ulterior motive to either make more money or exploit and control more people later on.

The "elite" 1% has a LOOOOOOOONG history of crapping on the lower 99%. So much so that contempt for the elite is ingrained in many societies.

At some point, these d-bags become so rich that money loses all meaning and just becomes a bragging right among other billionaires...

That's when they really start getting evil as they begin manipulating entire world economies, buying the media and brainwashing people to fight among themselves instead of aiming their frustrations on the elite controlling them... Starting wars to make even more profits... Buying politicians and influencing elections... Creating cults of personality through PR campaigns... Buying their way out of illegal activities that would otherwise get poor people put away in jail for life... Doing all they can to destroy any competition or small business that could ever become competition... So on and so forth.

People don't care about billionaires because billionaires don't care about them.

See how that works?

So when people that have more money than they have sense, die in some stupid way, there will be people that celebrate it.

If only more d-bag billionaires would die off in stupid ways, we could have "Platinum Level" Darwin Awards for them!

[A&A]

https://youtu.be/lTHqz6JsfCc

There are people who are rich and in the same time gold diggers. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, the scum of society that I will always hate, even if they are part of my family.

[kbiz]

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

kbiz の投稿を引用：

Maybe. But i believe the CEO of OceanGate was in the submersible. I doubt he would go down in something that wasn't engineered, built, and tested to handle the 4000 m depth. But maybe you're right. We don't have enough information yet. But given the discovery of a debris field, it would imply mechanical failure.

He literally fired the employee who told him it could not last at that depth.

Why are you making excuses? All of this information is freely available that shows without a doubt the owner knew exactly how dangerous his craft would be at that depth but completely ignored it.

The point isn't why the dive failed. It reason doesn't matter. When an industry is in its infancy - planes, trains, automobiles - more mistakes are made. And then new procedures/designs are put into place to prevent the same mistakes.

I'm not saying the guy did it right. Just saying he was first. And now people aren't going to make the same mistakes. Or at least they shouldn't.

It's been an iterative process to get to current airplane safety levels.

[Rio]

🦜Cloud Boy🦜 の投稿を引用：

OP, if you depend on other people to give you ''value'', or
if you let other people to decide if you are valuable or not,
then you are a lower quality human being and don't deserve any value in the first place.

People decide your value to them every day, sometimes in a split second.

Like If I walk into a room with a very pretty girl to a young straight 20yo guy. Do you think, he thinks I'm more important than the girl that could have his kids?

I see it all the time, a car sees my long hair and starts to slow down to check me out. Sees I'm a guy and hits the gas, Thats an instant, "Oh this isn't worth my time" evaluation.

And society itself tells you, your worth to it via paycheck.

[Boblin the Goblin]

kbiz の投稿を引用：

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

He literally fired the employee who told him it could not last at that depth.

Why are you making excuses? All of this information is freely available that shows without a doubt the owner knew exactly how dangerous his craft would be at that depth but completely ignored it.

The point isn't why the dive failed. It reason doesn't matter. When an industry is in its infancy - planes, trains, automobiles - more mistakes are made. And then new procedures/designs are put into place to prevent the same mistakes.

I'm not saying the guy did it right. Just saying he was first. And now people aren't going to make the same mistakes. Or at least they shouldn't.

It's been an iterative process to get to current airplane safety levels.

He literally ignored the current procedures.

You are treating this guy like a pioneer who died in a budding industry. He wasn't. He was a rich ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that tried to cut corners.

[kbiz]

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

He literally ignored the current procedures.

You are treating this guy like a pioneer who died in a budding industry. He wasn't. He was a rich ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that tried to cut corners.

I need more info. Lots of speculation going on right now. I don't defend the CEO. I defend my original point in saying this industry is like any other fledgling industry.

Let's wait to see the failure that killed those people.

OceanGate has over 200 dives so whatever corners were cut, it worked over 200 times.

[L1qu1dator]

CaptainG の投稿を引用：

billionaires kill millions of poor people.. how many billionaires get killed by poor people? I mean while every life has value I totally get if people feel less sad about the hyper protected class, its just the circumstances of our current time

Except some extremely lucky rare cases, you don't get to be a billionaire by being moral...

[Dutchgamer1982]

󠀡󠀡Eréndira の投稿を引用：

Dutchgamer1982 の投稿を引用：

money is not the thing of the highest value.
some things cannot be bought or sold, but have much more value than all the treasures on earth combined.

as for you paying to be alive...
-being alive means you consume goods and services
(by the simple fact your body at the very minimum needs food to stay alive, and ideally you also want shelter and clothing)
- those goods and services will be subtracted from the global pile of goods and services available to all humans
-you should morally put in enough labour to add at least that same amount of goods and services.

-the problem is.. there excist leechers (and they are often the wealthy of the earth, not those on welfare) who leech of your labour.. meaning you are not just working to provide for your needs, but also for theirs.

Quite good, Dutch.

I could add to this : that even a perfect moral division... so everybody earning equal to the value of the goods and services they output.. is not perfectly moral.

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yes it would mean those who do volenteer work or parenting would be rewarded equal.
it would also mean people would be rewarded to their actual contribution to society, not the rarety of their skill
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fact : wages currenly are not based on how valueble the service or product of that job provides is to society. nor on how liked/disliked that job is (some jobs just are nasty others are a breeze), not on how much effort or learning is needed to be able to qualify for that job.
Wages are ONLY based on how rare it is to find a person with that skill compared to the demand for that skill.
compare a garbadgeman a nurse and a footballer.
which is the worst task to do? which need to most study? which is the most vital to society? and which earns the most?
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BUT even if we fix ALL that... and pay everybody fairly to their output..

and thus the only thing that determines how much goods and services you can consume, is how many of them you manage to produce...

is all output equal?
**while true, some just want to work more hours, than others.. and some put in more effort, making their productivity per hour hight.. it's morally only fair those who put in more hours and effort, will recieve more rewards.
**some also have put in labour to boost their productivity (learning skills and ability, aka getting educated).. this did cost them unpaid labour hours, and they even had to consume somebody elses goods and services to become educated.. so it's only fair that the gain in productively is theirs too.

BUT :
-some are born ill, that means they will consume more services and goods by default, and it will decrease their productively per hour of labour as a healthy person.
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-some are born with higher intelligence, or rare talents, they have done nothing to earn those, yet it vastly boost the output of goods and services per hour of labour
**
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Those are factors that mean you merely won or lost the genetic lottery, no effort of yourself involved, is it fair that means you keep the extra production of goods and services you can make with that?
Or should there excist some redistribution for fairness sake?

And even beyond that :
if you at childhood recieved better education, a save neighbourhood, good food.. thats all consumption of goods and services, more than those that never had those things.
Does that mean you should hand in part of your later production to pay back this advantagous start?
**and does this paying back only mean what you consumed in childhood, back to society (either in bringing up children yourself, or in taxes so others can do that?)
OR does it mean sharing the boost in productivity such an advantage start gave you compared to those with a lesser start in life?

[Dutchgamer1982]

L1qu1dator の投稿を引用：

CaptainG の投稿を引用：

billionaires kill millions of poor people.. how many billionaires get killed by poor people? I mean while every life has value I totally get if people feel less sad about the hyper protected class, its just the circumstances of our current time

Except some extremely lucky rare cases, you don't get to be a billionaire by being moral...

no. a millionaire can excist fairly. a billionaire never.

If we see money for what it is : a promise to goods and services.
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than we can also see that earning money with money is immoral.. after all you gain somebody elses goods and services without giving any in return.

if you simply look at how much goods and services you add to society by labour, parenting, volenteer work.
**that value for most is no where NEAR enough to save up for a million.

the ONLY exception are inventors.
=a BRILLIANT invention can boost the productivity of many other people..
example : the person who invented a better process to melt aluminium, it now did take a fraction of the fuel (and fuel also takes labour to make) and labour to produce.
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one could say he added a couple million in value to the economy.
but NO single invention adds so much value it adds billions.

and if we look at millionairs and billionairs they rarely invent, they usually steal the fruits of OTHER peoples inventions..

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Apple trying to buy the intellectual rights to pictures of actual apples is just peak late empire.

[El Mistico ⭐]

good

[craigsters]

https://youtu.be/dV3AziKTBUo

[TwisterCat]

Sounds like something I'd say. I agree.

[Xero_Daxter]

They say every life is precious but nobody cares about mine.

[Polverrati]

I have no hate for the people you're referring too, but let's be honest if anyone can take a look a that sub and think "Yeah I wanna take that 4,000 meters under the sea" I can't really feel any sympathy for them either.

Xero_Daxter の投稿を引用：

They say every life is precious but nobody cares about mine.

Jesus dude, you good?