Privatized or Universal Healthcare?

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When we think about Universal Healthcare some of us may think it's free when it's truly not as it comes through more taxes in order of achieving everyone that would be insured for health, but there may be need to be a dramatic increase of taxes for better quality healthcare like Denmark as it's more than 40%.

Privatized Healthcare on the other hand, Is a optional choice for people to choose as the quality may be better without government involvement as it can be less taxes and not paying for someone else's insurance. Also it may come quicker when in emergency rooms than a single payer healthcare system that takes a long time in other developed countries.

Which would you prefer? Quality or a Right?

[Dom]

Let's assume that someone gets a bad illness and ends up going hundreds of thousands of dollars into medical debt. Becomes unable to work. This is an everyday scenario in the US. Vast majority of those people will never end up paying their medical debt back. It is impossible. Do you know who ends up paying the cost of this expensive healthcare? Taxpayers and the state.

This is why healthcare cannot be treated as a solely personal thing, and it cannot be that people have a freedom to damage themselves. There should be incentives to live a healthier life.

For instance, chronic diseases driven by the risk factor of obesity and overweight accounted for $500+ billion in direct health care costs in the U.S., with an additional $1.25 trillion in indirect costs due to lost economic productivity.

I do think that US is going to go universal in the future. It's just a matter of time. Those old politicians who live in the 1970s have got to go.

[Zoopy]

talemore の投稿を引用：

It's the trust given on the company who own the bank.

Hospitals are blood banks.

Corruption can only happen by corporation.

Corporation happens because of private- centralization.

As result the hospitals must collapse and fall apart to allow the central hospital take them over.

For this reason quality in hospital works like banks. Where once corruption reached climax the government must take back the power or self be overthrown.

Private banks creates private hospitals.

Hey, remember when you talked nonsense about me and I called you out and showed you how you were wrong because you thought public healthcare in germany was free? You gonna address that or just pretend that it didn't happen?

[talemore]

Dom の投稿を引用：

Let's assume that someone gets a bad illness and ends up going hundreds of thousands of dollars into medical debt. Becomes unable to work. This is an everyday scenario in the US. Vast majority of those people will never end up paying their medical debt back. It is impossible. Do you know who ends up paying the cost of this expensive healthcare? Taxpayers and the state.

This is why healthcare cannot be treated as a solely personal thing, and it cannot be that people have a freedom to damage themselves. There should be incentives to live a healthier life.

For instance, chronic diseases driven by the risk factor of obesity and overweight accounted for $500+ billion in direct health care costs in the U.S., with an additional $1.25 trillion in indirect costs due to lost economic productivity.

I do think that US is going to go universal in the future. It's just a matter of time. Those old politicians who live in the 1970s have got to go.

The solution is both simple and hard.

You are out of the system, they have kicked you out and to get back you must pay.

But what if you never paid? and You have a friend who is inside who haven't been kicked out.

The society works like a forum and debt tells if you have been kicked out of the forum.

You can not enter the forum, but you can have a friend with access to the forum,

[Zoopy]

. の投稿を引用：

You being a migrant yourself, explains why you are a socialist and dislike Germans trying to preserve their state, identity and wealth they had to build up after WW2.

Hah, lol. I was wondering if you were going to pull this card.

Buddy, most Germans aren't even on your side because they can see through the AfD. You've got Sachsen and not much else.

. の投稿を引用：

Lets see who laughs last :)

It won't be you either, buddy. The AfD will drag this country down to third-world status if they were to be in control of the infrastructure. They simply don't know enough about politics to do a good job of it.

You're voting for an incompetent party simply because they're feeding your biases. Unlike you, I can at least recognise that there are no good political parties in Germany. It's all about picking the best of a bad bunch, and that definitely isn't the AfD.

[talemore]

Misinformation the state never pays for anything. The government give money to the state.

Taxes is not paid for the losses from people but the expenses of the state.

[Dom]

talemore の投稿を引用：

Dom の投稿を引用：

Let's assume that someone gets a bad illness and ends up going hundreds of thousands of dollars into medical debt. Becomes unable to work. This is an everyday scenario in the US. Vast majority of those people will never end up paying their medical debt back. It is impossible. Do you know who ends up paying the cost of this expensive healthcare? Taxpayers and the state.

This is why healthcare cannot be treated as a solely personal thing, and it cannot be that people have a freedom to damage themselves. There should be incentives to live a healthier life.

For instance, chronic diseases driven by the risk factor of obesity and overweight accounted for $500+ billion in direct health care costs in the U.S., with an additional $1.25 trillion in indirect costs due to lost economic productivity.

I do think that US is going to go universal in the future. It's just a matter of time. Those old politicians who live in the 1970s have got to go.

The solution is both simple and hard.

You are out of the system, they have kicked you out and to get back you must pay.

But what if you never paid? and You have a friend who is inside who haven't been kicked out.

The society works like a forum and debt tells if you have been kicked out of the forum.

You can not enter the forum, but you can have a friend with access to the forum,

That would never pass for emergency care. The reason why medical debt per capita is skyrocketing is because no one can be denied emergency care and emergency care is at the same time the most expensive form of care.

[Zoopy]

talemore の投稿を引用：

Misinformation the state never pays for anything. The government give money to the state.

Taxes is not paid for the losses from people but the expenses of the state.

What?

[Volfogg]

Healthcare? I don't think I actually care about my own health, so it doesn't really matter which option I pick. I don't even have any income after all those years.

[Raoul]

Snow ☯ の投稿を引用：

My first thought was that it was ironic that you push left-wing agenda's while talking about how nobody looks at long term history. How long in history do we want to look?

There's a huge chunk of people who think the only reason people want illegal immigration is for the near slave labor. Minimum wage is supposed to be a human right along with all the other worker benefits and yet encouraging an class of (non)citizens who people KNOW will be paid less with likely none of those benefits like workers comp or minimum wage...well what would you define that as?

Also know that some of the illegal immigration we're talking about are indentured servants to people who brought them over here illegally, and that is a form of slavery.

I'm pushing a left wing agenda!!... is common sense considered left wing nowadays damn never knew that. But to answer your question I define that as capitalism and success, why is it in some Scandinavian countries there is no minimum wage then hmm confusing?

So let me get this straight your argument is that immigrants are basically slaves even if they contribute to the economy and your whole stance is anti-immigration because that's unethical?

[Zoopy]

. の投稿を引用：

Not trying to pop your bubble:

https://www.infratest-dimap.de/umfragen-analysen/bundesweit/sonntagsfrage/

But the AfD is currently the second largest party in Germany with second largest support across the country and their support is growing day by day, week by week.

What are you babbling about ?

Wir stellen hierzu regelmäßig mindestens 1000 Bundesbürgern die Frage

Great sample size. Definitely very representative of a country with 80 million citizens.

Election results are what matter. Everything else is just fluff. I'll be laughing at you after the next election. People often talk big, then change their minds come election time or they simply don't even bother showing up to vote.

Even that thing warns against trusting it:

Bitte beachten Sie, dass die hier erhobenen Daten die momentane Stimmung in der Wahlbevölkerung wiedergeben. Rückschlüsse auf ihr tatsächliches Wahlverhalten sind nur bedingt möglich, da erfahrungsgemäß bei konkreten Wahlentscheidungen die jeweiligen politischen Grundhaltungen, bzw. taktisch-strategische Überlegungen stärker zum Tragen kommen.

[talemore]

Dom の投稿を引用：

talemore の投稿を引用：

The solution is both simple and hard.

You are out of the system, they have kicked you out and to get back you must pay.

But what if you never paid? and You have a friend who is inside who haven't been kicked out.

The society works like a forum and debt tells if you have been kicked out of the forum.

You can not enter the forum, but you can have a friend with access to the forum,

That would never pass for emergency care. The reason why medical debt per capita is skyrocketing is because no one can be denied emergency care and emergency care is at the same time the most expensive form of care.

Does it have to be paid by you? It's not really your problem. If the hospital can not pay the doctors the hospital would be closed and it would had solved itself.

Bankruptcy allow debts to vanish. The state can not make their own debt vanish and is what holds it back from taking over all companies. debts must exist to preserve the government from growing. Countries who have destroyed their economies can print endless with money and buy up all companies by crossing over debts and screw over nations who uses them as security.

[RRW359]

talemore の投稿を引用：

Dom の投稿を引用：

That would never pass for emergency care. The reason why medical debt per capita is skyrocketing is because no one can be denied emergency care and emergency care is at the same time the most expensive form of care.

Does it have to be paid by you? It's not really your problem. If the hospital can not pay the doctors the hospital would be closed and it would had solved itself.

Bankruptcy allow debts to vanish. The state can not make their own debt vanish and is what holds it back from taking over all companies. debts must exist to preserve the government from growing. Countries who have destroyed their economies can print endless with money and buy up all companies by crossing over debts and screw over nations who uses them as security.

Out of curiosity what's your opinion on Mandatory Car insurance? Should we let people drive without it or should everyone pay so that if someone has a problem it doesn't create debt?

[Birds]

Oh, whichever one the healthcare companies say is best.

[crunchyfrog]

Briths NHS, while trying to be dismantled by the corrupt Tories in power, is still FAR FAR superior to the US system. It's why the US are one of only tqwo countries in the world that have that system =- because it's grossly unfair and works poorly (except if you're rich and are making the money at the top).

I've said it many times by detailing my last trip to hospital. I get kidney issues, having spina bifida.

One Saturday evening I get issues, I ring for an ambulance in the wee hours of the morning. At around 2ish, ambulance comes and I'm given gas and air and taken to A&E at Peterborough. I sit and wait for a while while I'm seen, and later go for a scan before going up on a ward. It's about 6.30am now.

I'm immediately given a menu and asked if I want anything to eat. I order and the pain starts ramping up again. I'm given morphine and sent for an Xray now. Ican't manage my food and am sick. Evenign time I'm given more food but I decline. More painkilling and next morning doctor sees me to tell me there's broken kidney stones and I'll have to wait while I get rid of them.

I spent almost 3 days in, get regular scans and pain treatment, and food whenever I want it. I get given antibiotics and some more pain meds and am called a taxi to take me home.

Total bill including the food and taxi, meds, scans, et al?

ZERO. Nada.

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Everyone should pay their own healthcare costs and not expect the government to pay it for them. Everyone should pay their health-care premiums themselves.