Why are some people so much against EVs and clean renewable energy sources?

[Iggy Wolf]

I mean, I don't know if it's strictly an American thing, in which a certain party constantly looks down on and mocks EVs and clean sources of energy, or it's actually more widespread in the world than I think, but I'm curious why so many people have such a negative and skeptical viewpoint?

Don't get me wrong, I imagine it wasn't that weird at the time to be skeptical of the internal combustion engine either when it was first introduced, and that the "horse and buggy" was a tried and true method of transportation, so people wouldn't be so quick to abandon it. But it seems to me that unlike those people, people today have the luxury of hindsight, in knowing that evidence and research has been done and actual results have been seen that have yielded better gains and experience with cleaner sources of energy.

Even if you couldn't get all cars to be EVs, having more of them be hybrids would still be an improvement. I once drove a hybrid because it was given to me as a rental. I immediately noticed how I got 600 miles on it vs the 400 my current car gets. MORE mileage for LESS money?! Who wouldn't want that?!! But it seems to me that people seem to have some kind of "personal attachment" to their gas guzzlers and/or ideology surrounding fossil fuels.

Seems like it's more a matter of money and convenience. If hybrids were as cheap and convenient as regular cars, I'm sure more people would maybe be open to the idea. Assuming that THOSE are the reasons why, and not some stupid "ideological stance" just to "own the [insert opposing political party here]".

[Γαῖα]

If most countries are looking to expand nuclear use for energy then surely it should be obvious that current clean energy still isn't up to the demands needed by a modern society, not to mention occupies too much space and is an eye sore.

[talemore]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Paratech2008:

Putting everything into electric isn't good for national security. The US power grid is vulnerable and can be compromised. Terrorists could use EMP weapons in big cities and shut the cities down.

Even power outages as-is can shut businesses down as everything is dependent on electric and even Internet. People worry about always online videogames and ignore how much of our country depends on similar technologies.

Doesn't matter.

You need electricity to make a combustion engine to work and it has microchips as well.

The car battery in the car isn't some sort of illuminati

[talemore]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Xero_Daxter:

I forgot EMP was a thing. Imagine if carjackers just used a EMP to shut down your car to rob you.

There's a solution to that. Turn off the car.

[RRW359]

Opprinnelig skrevet av talemore:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Paratech2008:

Putting everything into electric isn't good for national security. The US power grid is vulnerable and can be compromised. Terrorists could use EMP weapons in big cities and shut the cities down.

Even power outages as-is can shut businesses down as everything is dependent on electric and even Internet. People worry about always online videogames and ignore how much of our country depends on similar technologies.

Doesn't matter.

You need electricity to make a combustion engine to work and it has microchips as well.

The car battery in the car isn't some sort of illuminati

Also while EV's are just as bad as this as ICE cars, EV advocates tend to be more willing to listen to alternative transport ideas like mass transit or PEV's. ICE advocates like to go on about how much control they give [insert scapegoat] but don't bat an eye at making things harder and harder for people who can't afford or don't want a photo ID (note: a driver's license doubles as a photo ID).

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

could be really dangerous for people living in rural cold zones in winter

power outage for days to a week, have to go to hospital, if theres no alternative to electric cars nearby youre a gonner

[RRW359]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Megami Blanc:

could be really dangerous for people living in rural cold zones in winter

power outage for days to a week, have to go to hospital, if theres no alternative to electric cars nearby youre a gonner

Even before EV's existed in the scale they do now it was rare to fins someone rural who didn't have a portable generator. Plus many of them have older Diesels that they can power via SVO after all the gas stations go bankrupt from not having enough customers.

[talemore]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Megami Blanc:

could be really dangerous for people living in rural cold zones in winter

power outage for days to a week, have to go to hospital, if theres no alternative to electric cars nearby youre a gonner

In experience people who lives in cold weathers have experienced dead batteries.

You have more issues like unable to pay with money since all is digital, the 1% still have the right to pay with cash but 99% wouldn't be able to handle it.

The nation's economy is depending on electricity that they call it glitches in the stock market when the power goes off for a microsecond or flash-crash. If you blink you already missed it.

The hospital is demanded to have backup generator and if you are in such need, what happens in life is accidents.

People will not know how to manual pump a gas station.

Majority of the demands are not as crucial we think.It becomes critical by the time the store is empty and not one day sooner.

[Sir Dookface McFerretballs]

Why is it that the people pushing electric vehicles to virtue-signal about "save the earth" don't give a crap about the fact that cobalt is almost exclusively mined by child slave labor for batteries, and and you need massive dirty environment ruining strip-mines and lithium pits for the other rare earth minerals?

Most oil wells leave a 1-3 foot wide hole and sometimes a cement pad/plug behind when they are decommissioned, but strip mines, sometimes miles wide and hundreds of feet deep are often just left behind when they are no longer profitable because the environmental damage fees, if there are any, are cheaper than filling in the old mines.

Then at the same time these virtue-signalling people scoff at the idea of hydrogen or nuclear power.

It has NEVER been about "saving the earth"... It's all about money and control.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

Not even solar power is clean and green energy.

[WhiteKnight77]

Opprinnelig skrevet av talemore:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Paratech2008:

Putting everything into electric isn't good for national security. The US power grid is vulnerable and can be compromised. Terrorists could use EMP weapons in big cities and shut the cities down.

Even power outages as-is can shut businesses down as everything is dependent on electric and even Internet. People worry about always online videogames and ignore how much of our country depends on similar technologies.

Doesn't matter.

You need electricity to make a combustion engine to work and it has microchips as well.

The car battery in the car isn't some sort of illuminati

Those with cars with distributors using points and carburetors for ignition and fuel, will have no issues getting around while all other forms of transportation that uses an engine management computer will.

[Ulfrinn]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Plaid:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Xero_Daxter:

I forgot EMP was a thing. Imagine if carjackers just used a EMP to shut down your car to rob you.

They could probably do that with a modern combustion car. Everything is controlled by computers it seems

EMP requires more circuitry, longer traces, longer wires in order to collect enough energy from an EMP to short circuit something. So it's unlikely the computer inside a car is a big enough electronics device to do that... but all the wiring and circuitry going throughout a battery bank, and the more complex circuitry needed for them could be. Also in a modern car since most the computing aspect is done on a small board inside a tiny box, it's also much easier to shield that one box, whereas with an EV, you'd have to shield the entire car.

[Ulfrinn]

Opprinnelig skrevet av RRW359:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Megami Blanc:

could be really dangerous for people living in rural cold zones in winter

power outage for days to a week, have to go to hospital, if theres no alternative to electric cars nearby youre a gonner

Even before EV's existed in the scale they do now it was rare to fins someone rural who didn't have a portable generator. Plus many of them have older Diesels that they can power via SVO after all the gas stations go bankrupt from not having enough customers.

What do you base these generalizations on? Also diesel + cold isn't a good mix. If you have a power outage due to cold, you could have a very hard time getting a diesel engine going as well. That's why people who live in cold areas tend not to use them.

[WhiteKnight77]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ulfrinn:

Opprinnelig skrevet av RRW359:

Even before EV's existed in the scale they do now it was rare to fins someone rural who didn't have a portable generator. Plus many of them have older Diesels that they can power via SVO after all the gas stations go bankrupt from not having enough customers.

What do you base these generalizations on? Also diesel + cold isn't a good mix. If you have a power outage due to cold, you could have a very hard time getting a diesel engine going as well. That's why people who live in cold areas tend not to use them.

People in cold areas tend to use engine block heaters to keep engine oil and coolant warm enough to start. Companies even place outlets in parking lots so as to allow for plugging them in while workers are at work.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

EVs are also a very big trojan horse when it comes to ownership and government/corporate control. Say something against the status quo? Congrats! Your EV is now locked. You don't own it...we do.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

freezing cbdc card does that more effectively though. Never let them take all the cash away that is your last bastion of freedom from total coercion and control