Opinions on the 'dont say gay' law in florida

[fender jag]

This is going to get controversial and ill prolly get banned but screw it. they suck at baseball and lsu is arguably better

[crunchyfrog]

Messaggio originale di The Father ☯:

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

NO YOU can provide them here and demonstrate where it says exactly as you claim.

So please do so and stop dodging. You KNOW how this works as we've been through so many times before.

Lookup Jazz Jennings. She's a popular trans-youth whose history is well documented, she had transition surgery before the age of 18.

You wanted evidence that this type of stuff is being offered to pre-18 people...she's pretty famous.

No I wanted evidence that their claim of it being paid for by tax payers to anyone that wants it.

Evidence must fit the claim.

I never said you can't get healthcare for trans people of WHATEVER age.

That's what certain people LOVE to dodge. Either they don't understand how evidence works or they're dishonest.

[Zeno]

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

Messaggio originale di The Father ☯:

Lookup Jazz Jennings. She's a popular trans-youth whose history is well documented, she had transition surgery before the age of 18.

You wanted evidence that this type of stuff is being offered to pre-18 people...she's pretty famous.

No I wanted evidence that their claim of it being paid for by tax payers to anyone that wants it.

Evidence must fit the claim.

I never said you can't get healthcare for trans people of WHATEVER age.

That's what certain people LOVE to dodge. Either they don't understand how evidence works or they're dishonest.

I am not Plaid and from what I could find they are not doing this right now but plan to do so:

https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/fact-check-team-could-gender-affirming-surgeries-end-up-costing-taxpayers-transgender-youth-lgbtq-medically-necessary-surgeries-gender-dysphoria-medicare-health-and-human-services-hss-secretary-xavier-becerra-gender-reassignment-surgery

https://www.healthline.com/health/does-the-government-pay-for-gender-affirming-surgery

This sems a lot more down to the healthcare package one is involved in, which doesn't make it any less problematic I guess.

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

Messaggio originale di The Father ☯:

Lookup Jazz Jennings. She's a popular trans-youth whose history is well documented, she had transition surgery before the age of 18.

You wanted evidence that this type of stuff is being offered to pre-18 people...she's pretty famous.

No I wanted evidence that their claim of it being paid for by tax payers to anyone that wants it.

Evidence must fit the claim.

I never said you can't get healthcare for trans people of WHATEVER age.

That's what certain people LOVE to dodge. Either they don't understand how evidence works or they're dishonest.

https://transequality.org/know-your-rights/medicare

There you got, a website talking about medicare a government healthcare program that covered transition hormones and surgeries. Medi-cal also has similar writeups.

[Zeno]

Messaggio originale di The Father ☯:

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

No I wanted evidence that their claim of it being paid for by tax payers to anyone that wants it.

Evidence must fit the claim.

I never said you can't get healthcare for trans people of WHATEVER age.

That's what certain people LOVE to dodge. Either they don't understand how evidence works or they're dishonest.

https://transequality.org/know-your-rights/medicare

There you got, a website talking about medicare a government healthcare program that covered transition hormones and surgeries. Medi-cal also has similar writeups.

Now give it some time, he will now say that this is not reliable evidence.

[crunchyfrog]

Messaggio originale di Sparrow:

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

No I wanted evidence that their claim of it being paid for by tax payers to anyone that wants it.

Evidence must fit the claim.

I never said you can't get healthcare for trans people of WHATEVER age.

That's what certain people LOVE to dodge. Either they don't understand how evidence works or they're dishonest.

I am not Plaid and from what I could find they are not doing this right now but plan to do so:

https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/fact-check-team-could-gender-affirming-surgeries-end-up-costing-taxpayers-transgender-youth-lgbtq-medically-necessary-surgeries-gender-dysphoria-medicare-health-and-human-services-hss-secretary-xavier-becerra-gender-reassignment-surgery

https://www.healthline.com/health/does-the-government-pay-for-gender-affirming-surgery

This sems a lot more down to the healthcare package one is involved in, which doesn't make it any less problematic I guess.

But it does,.

Because if you're in a healthcare package and you're getting it paid for, that ain't taxpayer money in ANY way.

So it proves it wrong right there.

Also, this IS vital healthcare. Gender dysphoria is a known condition and while it's complex, it IS worthwehile doing because again other countries do it fine. Why does America seem to have this issue? Because of agendas from bad actors.

Gender dysphoria and sex and gender being dfifferent has been well documented in science for almost 100 years, but you should be asking yourself why is this become a recnet issue?

Because of religious fundamentals in the US and it's a great distraction tactic.

So again they're wrong because no taxpayer dollars are being used. End of. And even if they were, where's the evidence that this would not be more cost effective to society at large than leaving a mentally ill person capable of causing MORE cost to society on the scrapheap?

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

Messaggio originale di Sparrow:

Messaggio originale di The Father ☯:

https://transequality.org/know-your-rights/medicare

There you got, a website talking about medicare a government healthcare program that covered transition hormones and surgeries. Medi-cal also has similar writeups.

Now give it some time, he will now say that this is not reliable evidence.

Common sense is a better argument. The folks who support this stuff also support Universal Healthcare. If they had it their way ALL healthcare would be paid for by the tax payers.

[Zeno]

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

Messaggio originale di Sparrow:

I am not Plaid and from what I could find they are not doing this right now but plan to do so:

https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/fact-check-team-could-gender-affirming-surgeries-end-up-costing-taxpayers-transgender-youth-lgbtq-medically-necessary-surgeries-gender-dysphoria-medicare-health-and-human-services-hss-secretary-xavier-becerra-gender-reassignment-surgery

https://www.healthline.com/health/does-the-government-pay-for-gender-affirming-surgery

This sems a lot more down to the healthcare package one is involved in, which doesn't make it any less problematic I guess.

But it does,.

Because if you're in a healthcare package and you're getting it paid for, that ain't taxpayer money in ANY way.

So it proves it wrong right there.

Also, this IS vital healthcare. Gender dysphoria is a known condition and while it's complex, it IS worthwehile doing because again other countries do it fine. Why does America seem to have this issue? Because of agendas from bad actors.

Gender dysphoria and sex and gender being dfifferent has been well documented in science for almost 100 years, but you should be asking yourself why is this become a recnet issue?

Because of religious fundamentals in the US and it's a great distraction tactic.

So again they're wrong because no taxpayer dollars are being used. End of. And even if they were, where's the evidence that this would not be more cost effective to society at large than leaving a mentally ill person capable of causing MORE cost to society on the scrapheap?

Its not taxpayers money, but its not less problematic.

"Also, this IS vital healthcare. Gender dysphoria is a known condition and while it's complex, it IS worthwehile doing because again other countries do it fine. Why does America seem to have this issue? Because of agendas from bad actors.

Gender dysphoria and sex and gender being dfifferent has been well documented in science for almost 100 years, but you should be asking yourself why is this become a recnet issue?"

Generally YES, unfortunately many cases are rushed through way too quickly and considered gender dysphoria without trying alternative treatment methods. This is especially relevant when it comes to kids who are not fully developed.

Also, there is not " THE SCIENCE ", science has various views and results on this. You should know that by now.

[Zeno]

Messaggio originale di The Father ☯:

Messaggio originale di Sparrow:

Now give it some time, he will now say that this is not reliable evidence.

Common sense is a better argument. The folks who support this stuff also support Universal Healthcare. If they had it their way ALL healthcare would be paid for by the tax payers.

Socialism.

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

Messaggio originale di Sparrow:

Messaggio originale di The Father ☯:

Common sense is a better argument. The folks who support this stuff also support Universal Healthcare. If they had it their way ALL healthcare would be paid for by the tax payers.

Socialism.

And if Crunchy wants more evidence look at our prison system, they've paid for inmates to get gender affirming care.

https://www.ohiocrimelaw.com/blog/2014/01/tax-dollars-pay-for-sex-change-for-inmate-really/

[crunchyfrog]

Messaggio originale di Sparrow:

Messaggio originale di The Father ☯:

Common sense is a better argument. The folks who support this stuff also support Universal Healthcare. If they had it their way ALL healthcare would be paid for by the tax payers.

Socialism.

Which works. The NHS demonstrates that.

In fact only two countries in the world have healthcare that isn't paid for by the tax payer in some way. The US and one African country I can't recall.

So call it wwhat you will - it demonstrably works well.

[Your_White_Knight]

Messaggio originale di Sparrow:

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

No you can't. That's a complete bloody myth.

Demonstrate evidence that this is happening.

What is it you want evidence for from Plaid ?

There isn't any really wanted by them...

It's a never ending vicious cycle of "give me proof" just to not believe it and ask again...

[crunchyfrog]

Messaggio originale di The Father ☯:

Messaggio originale di Sparrow:

Socialism.

And if Crunchy wants more evidence look at our prison system, they've paid for inmates to get gender affirming care.

https://www.ohiocrimelaw.com/blog/2014/01/tax-dollars-pay-for-sex-change-for-inmate-really/

Read my answer above.

I said this isn't happening en masse. One case is not en masse is it?

Also as I said above what you fail to see is the long term. What has more impact to society as a whole - the trans healthcare that is paid for by the taxpayer, or leaving them unaddressed and the funds they'll cost the taxpayer going forward.

That's the thing right wingers never see - long term effects. It's why they're often so crap at being pro active for things.

The thing is I've worked in disabled voluntary work for many years, and there are a number of things I've come across where people have had care or treatment that cost a lot but the benefits are long term. By doing this it means the costs of them receiving day to day care will now vanish, for example.

So again you can cherry pick things and go "aha gotcha" and you're wrong. Because you haven't looked at the details and again one case isn't the common.

[Dom]

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

Messaggio originale di Sparrow:

Socialism.

Which works. The NHS demonstrates that.

In fact only two countries in the world have healthcare that isn't paid for by the tax payer in some way. The US and one African country I can't recall.

So call it wwhat you will - it demonstrably works well.

If they want government out of healthcare then on top of not paying the cost from tax it should also be fine that gender re-affirming care is being performed on people under the age of 18 in case the doctors, parents as well as the child think that's the only way forward.

Not allowing that is direct government interference into a medical process. That has to stop if the government ought to stay out of healthcare.. Basically the whole medical sector showing a green light to that (medical) procedure; yet government prohibits it due to some moral values, not scientific/medical ones.

[Triple G]

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

In fact only two countries in the world have healthcare that isn't paid for by the tax payer in some way. The US and one African country I can't recall.

Actually in Germany it isn´t called tax, too. It´s an insurance premium, which You can also use to set it off from the taxes You pay...

Taxes need a budget and certain rules, while certain fees do not have that. And all the social system is paid by insurances - except for welfare, which is tax funded. Sometimes they need tax money as supplement - for unemployed, or for old people. But not the health care system, as they usually have enough money to work with. They rather reduce the services, or add extra fees for it.

[Zeno]

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

Messaggio originale di Sparrow:

Socialism.

Which works. The NHS demonstrates that.

In fact only two countries in the world have healthcare that isn't paid for by the tax payer in some way. The US and one African country I can't recall.

So call it wwhat you will - it demonstrably works well.

" it works " what does that mean for you it works ?
This isn't about it working or not, this is about people paying for it who do not want to pay for this.

No universal healthcare does not work everywhere and there are a lot more countries without it.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/10-notable-countries-that-are-still-without-universal-healthcare.html

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/9-reasons-universal-healthcare-will-fail-if-we-dont-act-now/

Your " Sources " just before you ask for it again.

NHS works ? Yeah thats why there is an increasing amount of criticism on the NHS and reports about it failing more and more.

https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj.o3060