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Why did the Ukraine Russian war start?
We all know the obvious of a typical land grad, a position of expanding territory. However can you list other reasons or provocations for the proxy Superpower seeking war?

War is never justifiable unless it is for defence, unlike sport, offence is never an excuse for defence. Could it be that the Ukraine is suffering for something their NATO partners did?

After all a small nation is given very little choice or becomes empowered by the politics of their stronger partners. There is no doubt that USA, EU, CHINA, RUSSIA are determinately considered SUPERPOWERS. And what happens when you poke the eye of any of these?
Отредактировано Professor; 10 июл. 2023 г. в 0:23
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Why didn't US annex Mexico?

Too many Mexicans in it. And the guy sent to broker peace didn't want the US to become an empire. And the president just wanted the war over no matter the outcome. And some politicians were wary if the entire of Mexico was annexed it would be split into a bunch of new slave states and upset the balance in Congress between the evil slave states and the slightly less evil non-slave states. So they just took a lot of mostly unoccupied land, as well as the disputed bits of Texas that were the original cause of the war.
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Thing is, several countries like Finland explicitly kept themselves out of NATO until now to respect russian wishes not to have the alliance bordering them and not to trigger any russian aggression. So I don't see your 10,000+ troops stationed at the russian border before their invasion last year.

Also Cuba hasn't been invaded, despite that plans have been made. For example, if I only plan on breaking into my neighbours house and not do it, is not as bad as actually me breaking into his house.

Yes you are right in saying that Cuba was never invaded, however the CRISES did develop because a foreign Superpower influenced the closest neighbour of another sovereign superpower. It seems they all have the right to respond.

It almost led to nuclear exchange & destabilised the planet for many months. My point being, how superpowers respond to the encroaching powers to sovereign threats, like military build ups along borders.
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people kept telling that russia is dangerous till the russians started to actually believe it
Naw. You got that backwards. Russia/USSR has always tried to be dangerous. The rest of the world believed them. Until now.
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Because of the similar reasoning why USSR tried to invade Afghanistan during 80s and earlier Russian Empire killed myriad of Turkish people in Crimea during 19th Century.

It is in their BLOOD.

However, this will be their LAST invasion attempt.

Mark my words.

Yes it is in ALL our blood as the Americans took over from the Russians. It is a method of control & an attempt to manipulate the world towards Democracy, Capitalism & Liberalism. Even though Russia may have had many other reasons, look at Vietnam as a coercion tool described as the prevention to the spread of Communism
Отредактировано Professor; 9 июл. 2023 г. в 6:03
Because the EU allowed it. Russia has been conquering land from its Neighbors from years now. In Georgia they just move the border markings a few Inches every night. In 2014 Russia was allowed to conquer parts of Ukraine, and all the EU did was nothing.

The EU has been blocking Sanctions or not enforcing them at all during Russia last few land grabs because they needed Russian resources and/or are pro Russia.

The fact of the matter is, during the start of the current war. Everyone expected the Ukrainians to lose and the EU only grudgingly allowed Russia to be sanctioned after the invasion failed. Even today we still see certain EU member Businesses skirt around sanctions and get at most a half assed slap on the wrist.
As far as I know something something Soviet Union something something angry bald man feeling insecure something something destabilized country from within something something something something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Putin believed that Ukraine is Russian because it's an ex-Soviet state, and grew more more and more concerned that Ukraine is looking more west-ward. He invaded on the pretext that Ukraine must remain in Russia's sphere of influence and Ukraine going rogue is the last thing Putin wants, because Ukrainian allies could set up inside Ukraine and get closer to eroding Russian influence.

When you get rid of the divisive leaders and their toxic politics, no one is trying to remove Russia off the map, but it's all too easy to tap into the nationalist angle and provoke people into believing it by propaganda. Twitter is now a toxic breeding ground for such misinformation on a regular basis, hey Musk got what he wanted, people paying for the service at any cost, even if it's paid with blood money, both Russian and Ukrainian -- what does he care.
Putin saw an opportunity in Biden's weakness. Notice how he didn't try anything like this under Trump. China will do the same thing with Taiwan, and Biden will just go hide in his basement again while the media covers for him.
Отредактировано spasti696969; 9 июл. 2023 г. в 6:18
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Profit is limited on projects and why investments ends if there is nothing to invest into.

But obviously someone or something has great reason to WIN or LOSE

Think of it as volatility. If there was none there be no way to obtain more profit by starting and cancel projects.

If 100% of all investors would be simply invest into the project and never cancel their loan to the project many people wouldn't survive without the collapse of the economy.

During the 2020-2022 +1.5% of the world population became super rich with an increase from 2% to 3.5% who as well was escalated by the covid virus killing the ancient reptile elite.

Putin has declared war on The Oligarchs in Russia. The super-rich in Russia who are threatening to take the nation from him.

Nato is threatening to landlock Russia and Russia is like many other nations attacked by "money-war" Some nations in EU have lower currency value while being part of EU and are demanded by the falling currency to export products to import money.

China as example exported products for exchange importing Eurodollar to China.

This created a problem in China since the are few things to invest and even few people who want to give money to people.

The money was stored into real estate.

The banks created debt for the super-rich to keep their wealth and the obly thing that can save the world economy is the collapse of big banks.

Yet this is not possible as big banks are saved by the states, they then sacrifice peoples jobs to keep their money as part of cost cut.

When the state realize the companies starting to blackmail the state in a "money-war" They increase the interest on loans to ensure that the companies won't buy up the nation.

Japan started to buy USA is why USA ensured Japan to obtain hyperinflation as security that Japan wouldn't try to buy USA again.

Japan bought up buildings like the empire state building. The super-rich give castles as birthday present to their children. They may as well give companies as birthday present or the empire state building.

In conclusion it's about secure Ukraine role as the underdog. Ukraine has agriculture while Russia has a collapsed agriculture. Ukraine showing better results that Russia, access to seaport, access to countries in north Afrika who want food.

Russia follow east politics by using a boot to tremble on the loser.

USA follow the west politics which China and Japan as well do where you buy the nation with one piece of land and building at a time. Even if you do not own the land the building stand on it.
Putin is suffering from small man syndrome. He couldn't stand that people only see him as a meme leader of a meme country that's slowly falling into irrelevancy, so he's decided to bully his neighbours in order to make himself look like a hard man.
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Short story...: Because of smoll penus.
I mean, Putin is kind of short, so Im sure the rest of his anatomy is scaled accordingly. Small man syndrome.
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Putin saw an opportunity in Biden's weakness. Notice how he didn't try anything like this under Trump. China will do the same thing with Taiwan, and Biden will just go hide in his basement again while the media covers for him.
Sigh. They really are a cult.
land ,someone took from someone ,then gave to someone,then someone else took from them,then someone gave to someone,then someone else took from them.then someone else took from them.

land take ,take land ,land take ,take land.
i better read other people say.and check for spelling errors.

Отредактировано DoomsDay; 9 июл. 2023 г. в 7:28
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Putin saw an opportunity in Biden's weakness. Notice how he didn't try anything like this under Trump. China will do the same thing with Taiwan, and Biden will just go hide in his basement again while the media covers for him.

Pretty much this. Biden is such a weak flaccid corrupt president. Entirely compromised to foreign powers, probably on account of all the blackmail they have on him. Certainly explains all the money he has funneled outside the country and why they work so hard to run cover for him on all his scandals. They are protecting their interests in keeping the grift going.
I mean if the greatest journalist is in prison for revealing war crimes

You won't get the truth on here
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