Why is modern "music" absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥?

[Shodan]

Modern "music" is literal noise and I would rather listen to tires screeching, then go buy new ones and change them myself.

Seriously, it's just a bunch of randomly generated sound effects and it somehow always happens to be the exact same sounding ♥♥♥♥. I can instantly recognize every old song as soon as I hear the very first sound, but when it comes to the new ♥♥♥♥, I can listen to an entire song and have no clue if I have heard it before. It's that bad.

Modern "music" isn't even made by real musicians or any kind of musicians, it's just some "social" media kind of people putting out the same kind of trendy noise over and over again. No one can sing. no one can play any instrument, no one can come up with something legendary, iconic, unique and unforgettable anymore and no one has any charisma anymore. Not to mention just how vulgar and generally disgusting modern "music" is.

Yeah, there are probably a few half-decent musicians with some music that might actually pass as music (though not much more than that, that's for sure), so don't take what I said above 100% literally and freak out over some nonsensical nitpicking.

It's progressively getting worse, though. Around 2012, I thought that was as ♥♥♥♥ as it gets, but compared to what we have today, the stuff from around 2012 seems even kind of "good" in comparison? In comparison, though. Just like how the 2010s were less bad than the 2020s, the early 2000s were less bad than the 2010s and the 1990s especially. There was still some proper good stuff in the 1990s, but that was when it slowly started going to ♥♥♥♥ with all the rap, hip hop, DJ and other garbage and from then, it kept going in that direction more and more and it just kept getting worse. Hell, even some of that rap and DJ kind of stuff from the 90s and early 00s could be good, but not anymore.

Anyway, here's a song that I would say no one "gen Z" has ever heard before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ygTDu9aJs

Just listen to that perfection at the beginning. There is just nothing like this today at all. Now, of course, there is the classic "you just have to look for the good stuff", but no one will actually enlighten me with that good stuff. Even if it actually does exist, it's like 1 song out of... all of them... so I wouldn't really count that. I'm talking about music and "music" in general, not just that 1 good song.

[Masque]

Beato is a stereotypical, archtypical Boomer, with stereotypical Boomer arguments.

"Our g-g-generation was the best, and everything our g-g-generation made, and everything we had, and everything we lived, were the last good things that will ever be made, had, and lived."

The day approaches when we won't ever have to hear the Eagles, The Who, The Beatles, or The Doors ever again. Soon.

[Rio]

I like modern music, nightcore is peak of music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxTfdKlsKos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuFIZO_mjBE

[Polverrati]

Everyone who's ever said that has always been wrong. Good music is being made every day, you'd rather just plug your ears and live in your own little world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om4dEGKnEmw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJULV7fvqzI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbtR766rspQ

[WhiteKnight77]

I agree with most of what you have stated. I have to wonder about most of the stuff people listen to and how what is released actually released.

When most of the stuff comes out of software on a computer, the person is not a musician, but a programmer.

I think of musicians as someone who can actually sing (without autotune), plays an actual instrument of some sort, and can write the actual notes out. I may not dig Burt Bacharach, but he is a musician.

While there are those who can't stand Classic Rock, miss the fact that people actually wrote, and played it, verses it coming out of software. Did some bands use synthesizers? Sure, but they were not the main "instrument" to make music. Bands that pushed music companies so that the band made more money verses the record company execs for the music that they made are no longer the rule (started by Jimmy Page no less, and the producer of Zeppelin's music instead of someone that Atlantic might have wanted). At least with the bands from the late 60's to the mid 80's, bands made music that they wanted, not what Bob Ezrin thought would be good (and he is all over a bunch of Alice Cooper's latest music, as well as Mutt Lange who really changed Def Leppard to a more poppish sound).

Also missing from today's music is stereo separation, as well as depth. Today's "music" features mostly bottom end tones instead of a full range of tones from 20,000 hertz highs to 20 hertz lows. We also have tracks that feature the same beat, no matter the singer or dj who is on stage or the track.

I would rather listen to the scratchy blues of Muddy Waters from the 50s compared to something by Beyonce`. Jazz has lots of different moods to it compared to modern music. It is those who use Beats headphones who really think that music today is so great. It has nothing on Hendrix, who made some really weird noises with his guitar, and had space and music that danced (moved around) in the aural universe of one's mind. Those who use click tracks for today's music do not have that.

[The Artificer]

i grew up around older music, so that might influence it, but: every new song feels like the same beat and people having a stroke on the microphone about "i get all dat money!!! i get all dat fame!!!"

i don't like it because it all sounds the *same*, i've liked a few modern songs, but i can say for sure none of it is modern day pop or rap because its just all. similar clicking tapping noises with random words atop it

atleast make it sound different and then i'll be interested lol

[grape cough syrup]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Masque:

The day approaches when we won't ever have to hear the Eagles, The Who, The Beatles, or The Doors ever again. Soon.

I am looking forward to this day.

[crunchyfrog]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von zeke:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von crunchyfrog:

It's not quite.

Tghe argument is an old one, but what has changed is EVIDENCE.

It's a traditional thing during ageing to do this, but there is empirical evidence that modern music is crap as people like Rick Beato have pointed out with data. The major reason is much the same as what goes on with major video game publishers. Risk averse, greedy people who only follow trends and want to do the bare minimum.

I'm familiar with Rick Beato's argument regarding the subject and I am also familiar with the fact that his argument set off a fair amount of (we'll call it) 'controversy' in the world of music theory.

I would point you to this video (15 minutes) by 12tone that was made in response to Rick Beato.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tODG4Xt45bU

Ah well here's the thing.

I'm not saying there's ALL things in there that are correct at all.

I'm tackling on this ONE singular point - the musicality and his points on that matter regarding how tunes are quality wise are demonstrably correct.

Also I'm pointing out that the argument that this has always been something odler people do is slightly off. Yes, we all do this as we get older but this is something else.

[Grand Ayatrollah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7xQEdKHtv0

[WhiteKnight77]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 0xBEdear:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Masque:

The day approaches when we won't ever have to hear the Eagles, The Who, The Beatles, or The Doors ever again. Soon.

I am looking forward to this day.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von crunchyfrog:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von zeke:

I hope you do realize, OP, that your position on modern music is the exact same position many in your parents' generation had about the music you were listening to.... and the same as your grandparents' generation had about your parents' music... and as your great-grandparents... [well you get the picture].

There is nothing wrong with liking what you like and not being personally fond of what may be 'en vogue' at the moment but it is a very 'old fogey' kind of thing when you start making the "things were better in the old days" argument.

It's not quite.

Tghe argument is an old one, but what has changed is EVIDENCE.

It's a traditional thing during ageing to do this, but there is empirical evidence that modern music is crap as people like Rick Beato have pointed out with data. The major reason is much the same as what goes on with major video game publishers. Risk averse, greedy people who only follow trends and want to do the bare minimum.

I posted this on a video Rick did about the Doobie Brothers.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Me:

You touched on something that I have been stating for years. Older music had so much more to it due to the sound engineers and the way they had different instruments in different ears/speakers. They also were great at getting the sound to move around within that space.

Due to technology, we seem to have gone backwards with music from my standpoint. It used to be that all we had was a one speaker AM radio to listen to music with (I know I had a little transistor radio in the late 60s, early 70s). Once FM arrived on the scene, sound engineers started playing with the sound and instrument locations and to great effect. Zeppelin and Hendrix are just the tip of the iceberg having sound moving around. AC/DC still records their music as they play on stage with Angus in the right ear and (before his death), Malcom in the left ear.

With the advent of Alexis and other portable speakers that receive signals from a person's phone, we are back to using one speaker again and if using headphones, the instruments are again in both ears. There seems to be no stereo separation any more.

12Tone brings up something that Rick has covered previously and ties into what I quote here, the fact that no one is playing instruments in creating modern music, but creating tunes with nothing but software (I state this above as well). This has led, in my opinion, to rather bland music based on nothing but click tracks that use the same beat.

If one listens to Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin, one hears that John Bonham is not playing a rhythmic beat, but is playing to Jimmy's guitar licks (and he was also known to play behind the beat as well). That does not happen with today's computer generated tracks.

There is something to be said about going into a studio and working out a song on actual instruments and having a decent sound engineer impart depth and space to music.

[Grendalcat]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Masque:

Beato is a stereotypical, archtypical Boomer, with stereotypical Boomer arguments.

"Our g-g-generation was the best, and everything our g-g-generation made, and everything we had, and everything we lived, were the last good things that will ever be made, had, and lived."

The day approaches when we won't ever have to hear the Eagles, The Who, The Beatles, or The Doors ever again. Soon.

Nah, Rock N Roll will never die!

[Tonepoet]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von horse whinnies:

OP there's a lot of fallacy in your rant. I believe you have the mindset of a Boomer but are actually still in your thirties. You have the very same lazy attitude that a lot of young men have - that nothing beats classic rock, 90's bands or "mozart classical stuff"

Dismissive of the truth I see?

[Kamiyama]

Look around. Try alternative artists.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8XEmiRXTYAY&feature=shares

[Kamiyama]

Also like this one.

https://youtu.be/aTL6xJ--izM

[grape cough syrup]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von WhiteKnight77:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 0xBEdear:

I am looking forward to this day.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von crunchyfrog:

It's not quite.

Tghe argument is an old one, but what has changed is EVIDENCE.

It's a traditional thing during ageing to do this, but there is empirical evidence that modern music is crap as people like Rick Beato have pointed out with data. The major reason is much the same as what goes on with major video game publishers. Risk averse, greedy people who only follow trends and want to do the bare minimum.

I posted this on a video Rick did about the Doobie Brothers.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Me:

You touched on something that I have been stating for years. Older music had so much more to it due to the sound engineers and the way they had different instruments in different ears/speakers. They also were great at getting the sound to move around within that space.

Due to technology, we seem to have gone backwards with music from my standpoint. It used to be that all we had was a one speaker AM radio to listen to music with (I know I had a little transistor radio in the late 60s, early 70s). Once FM arrived on the scene, sound engineers started playing with the sound and instrument locations and to great effect. Zeppelin and Hendrix are just the tip of the iceberg having sound moving around. AC/DC still records their music as they play on stage with Angus in the right ear and (before his death), Malcom in the left ear.

With the advent of Alexis and other portable speakers that receive signals from a person's phone, we are back to using one speaker again and if using headphones, the instruments are again in both ears. There seems to be no stereo separation any more.

the fact that no one is playing instruments in creating modern music

I feel like all the shoegaze, metal and piano music that I listen to proves your statement to be incorrect. I also listen to some electronic stuff too though, and you would be correct in that genre.

It depends heavily on the genre. The idea that no one plays instruments now is a ridiculous statement lol.

[WhiteKnight77]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 0xBEdear:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von WhiteKnight77:

I posted this on a video Rick did about the Doobie Brothers.



the fact that no one is playing instruments in creating modern music

I feel like all the shoegaze, metal and piano music that I listen to proves your statement to be incorrect. I also listen to some electronic stuff too though, and you would be correct in that genre.

It depends heavily on the genre. The idea that no one plays instruments now is a ridiculous statement lol.

What is still missing are the sound engineers that had no issue with experimenting, with the aural spectrum that guitarists such as Hendrix loved to exploit.