snes is better than sega genesis.

[Jellyfish]

the snes is just superior, the sound is better, the graphics are better, the games are better, the controllers are better. can the genesis handle 3D graphics? i dont think so. nintendoes what genesis dont.

"While the Sega Genesis had a CPU advantage — leading to the "Blast Processing" ad campaign — the SNES outclassed Sega in terms of power. Without getting too much into numbers, the SNES could produce more colors on the screen at once. Sprites could be bigger, and it could produce a higher resolution. In short, games looked and ran better on the SNES compared to the Genesis, and it was noticeable." -GameRant

heres some 3D games that the genesis cant handle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICtLp5JcMY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3TydpBzUy0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9XZYwqOpLs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EkVHxE0Y8I

and heres some bonus footage of the snes being superior to the sega genesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bCK-qGwJB8

[RRW359]

LeviathanWon a écrit :

TurboGrafx-16.

What about AES?

[Ulfrinn]

There were a few non FX 3D games, but they were very basic. It's not really a fair comparison to compare those to Sega though because those games did require additional co-processors built into the cartridge. Sega had games that required an additional co-processor, but instead of packaging it in every game cartridge that needed it, they packed it into a one-time purchase add-on, which made each individual game cheaper to make. A better comparison to the FX chip is Sega's 32x.

[gugnihr]

Ulfrinn a écrit :

kaszilla a écrit :

The Genesis library was lacking in rpgs but what exactly made the library lacking overall? It had tons of great platformers, shmups, beat em ups, and generally did sports and shmups much better than the snes. This snes is objectively better than genesis is ridiculous as everyone doesn't like the same things. I couldn't care less about the mario games on the snes and don't care for rpgs either. I prefer more fast paced arcade type games.

Uh huh, and that's the audience Sega targeted.

The facts you talk about are maybe true to some extent, Sega probably was more focused on arcades than Nintendo, but absolutely NOT as much as Neogeo was and their mindset was COMPLETELY different, the Mega Drive was a good home console and it was meant to be a good home console, it was not only a way to play arcade games at home like the Neogeo was.

So those facts TO SOME EXTENT are probably true, but your opinion based on them is completely wrong anyway: this was NOT the problem, this was NOT the reason why Sega failed, expecially because the situation was not as extreme as you say, there was a lot of variety in its library, and therefore there was, there is and there will always be a target audience big enough for the kind of library that the Megas Drive had. It is not like the NeoGeo, it is not even comparable to the NeoGeo.
Sega had many other problems, it is just you who for some reason don't want to acknowledge that and I don't know why because you can find proof of that pretty much everywhere, the fact that Sega did not even know what they were doing and just spent all their time and resources fighting between the Japan side and ther USA side of the Company when they had to create a new console (Saturn) is something that at this point everybody knows, the fact that Shenmue (not exactly an arcade game) costed way too much and did not sell enough and Sega produced a Shenmue 2 that costed even more anyway even if it was basically a suicide is another thing that is quite well known, the fact that many Sega fans must have been very disappointed by no new good Sonic game on the Saturn is just obvious, the fact that many old Sega fans hate 3D Sonic games is very well known as well so imagine how many people must have been disappointed by that awful Sonic Adventure game (if you ask me, it was better on the Saturn... not only no new Sonic game would have been better than Sonic Adventure, but on the Saturn there was Sonic Jam which maube is not exactly the same as a very good Sonic Xtreme could have been but at least it was a collection with wonderful games)
Sega had many other problems, real problems, not those facts that you mention and are probably 50% true (absolutely not in such an extreme way as you say) but have never been a problem for anybody.

"SNes is better because I like it and I say so" is an opinion, it might be valid for somebody, for me and for other people the opposite is valid but those are just opinions.

"Sega failed because it focused too much on arcades just like NeoGeo did" is absolutely false, absolutely wrong, you are just dismissing well known and well documented facts when you say so.

[Ulfrinn]

Sega's library still couldn't come close to Nintendo's. But it's not even the Genesis that sank it, it was the Saturn, and the Saturn was even more focused on the arcadey market that they stopped making games like Sonic, Streets of Rage, Phantasy Star, and on top of that dumb decision to scrap many of their best exclusives, they also went a different route with the hardware.

The Sega Genesis hardware was the easiest to develop for in that era. The 68000, Z80 CPUs were industry standards and FM/PSG audio chips were widely used as well, albeit the 2612 being less capable than what arcade machines had at the time, it made developing for it very easy. On the other hand, they made the Saturn extremely difficult to develop for with odd hardware choices, and little to no documentation or help was given to developers. Most cross platform ports just ended up only utilizing one of it's CPUs.

They decided to restrict their reach, restrict their appeal, and restrict their library at the point gaming everywhere else exploded with diversity and new ideas, and it killed them.

[gugnihr]

They did not "decide" to not make new Sonic games for the Saturn, they were unable to make a convincing enough 3D Sonic game.
They tried several different times with Sonic Xtreme, the development of that potential game was started almost from scratch several different times before they finally gave up on it.
I think that it could have been a good game, you can find some gameplay videos that imo are interesting but they wre never confident enough about its quality and to be honest probably it would not have been as perfect as the traditional 2D games can be.
I think that I would have liked it and I think that the gameplay videops are interesting but that does not mean it would have been a successful enough game.
Also there were many more games on the Saturn in Japan and they were never ported to the west, even games that were famous enough here in the west (for example Capcom's Dungeons and dragons) because Sega had too many problems and the Satrn flopped because of those problems.

Ok so the Mega Drive had less jrpgs than the SNes, so what? Jrpg is a niche genre too. Both Mega Drive and SNes were great home consoles, some genres were better on one of them and other genres were better on the other one.
You are just picking minor details and minor differences and blowing them out of proportion.

[mr_raze]

I like Sega Genesis more but SNES wins because shoulder buttons were such a revolutionary concept that's still used today

[RRW359]

Ulfrinn a écrit :

There were a few non FX 3D games, but they were very basic. It's not really a fair comparison to compare those to Sega though because those games did require additional co-processors built into the cartridge. Sega had games that required an additional co-processor, but instead of packaging it in every game cartridge that needed it, they packed it into a one-time purchase add-on, which made each individual game cheaper to make. A better comparison to the FX chip is Sega's 32x.

I can't find info on any 3d games that didn't use FX so if you can link one that would be helpful. The best comparison to the FX is the SVP, even though that was only used in one game. It was basically a 32x but in a cartridge rather then as an add-on.

[mr_raze]

Sega Genesis had cool music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SizLXCM-Fz0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1I0_GNDBs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjjSN6ukmdY

[gugnihr]

mr_raze a écrit :

Sega Genesis had cool music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SizLXCM-Fz0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1I0_GNDBs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjjSN6ukmdY

Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43BMVZMHSFQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoVY7nvcel0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmbY_tSuwcs

Amd many others, I just posted the first ones I remembered.
Also I once heard an unused track from Mean bean machine and it was fantastic, much better than any music actually used in that game but I haven't been able to find it again on youtube, it was really really good.

[Plaid]

mr_raze a écrit :

Sega Genesis had cool music:

I really like The Revenge of Shinobi and Shinobi 3 soundtracks. Some of the best use of the synth, but there are a lot of others.
I was never really a fan of the SNES sound, even though it had it's advantages. Perhaps it was too many horns and violins, lol.

[Ulfrinn]

mr_raze a écrit :

I like Sega Genesis more but SNES wins because shoulder buttons were such a revolutionary concept that's still used today

Genesis had a shoulder button too. Just one of them, and only a game or two actually utilized it in-game (Lost Vikings for example did.) But it still technically had one. My 2.4ghz Genesis controller has two shoulders, also a guide and select button.

[Marteun]

snes is better I never owned genesis

[Moogal™]

Never owned either but own the SNES Classic, which i bought mostly to play Super Metroid (and own it legally too) and the other games are nice too.

[crunchyfrog]

Ulfrinn a écrit :

kaszilla a écrit :

Snes fanboys can be so arrogant with their preference lol

Yeah, how dare they prefer a library that isn't just lesser quality demakes of arcade stuff, but original content.

Except that comment is the same thing that those fanboys you're accusing.

I play all consoles and computers that I can. Every platform I bought since the dawn of gaming I've kept (except for one incident). There's equally great titles on the Megadrive as there is SNES.

You're being extremely dishonest if you can't see that.

[Ulfrinn]

crunchyfrog a écrit :

Ulfrinn a écrit :

Yeah, how dare they prefer a library that isn't just lesser quality demakes of arcade stuff, but original content.

Except that comment is the same thing that those fanboys you're accusing.

I play all consoles and computers that I can. Every platform I bought since the dawn of gaming I've kept (except for one incident). There's equally great titles on the Megadrive as there is SNES.

You're being extremely dishonest if you can't see that.

There are good titles on the Genesis for sure. But the library is not equal. Even Genesis fans can admit the SNES had a better library, even if the Genesis often offered better gameplay.