How long does it take to see results from hrt? (MtF)

[ankh]

So i just started estrogen injections a few days ago, i know that it takes time im just wondering how long that ill have to wait to be able to see progress on my looks. Anyone here have experience with hrt and can help me out? Any help is appreciated

[eram]

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Looks like OP was caught up in his own web

why are u misgendering me

this is the steam off topic forum

[Elucidator]

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Looks like OP was caught up in his own web

why are u misgendering me

Would have supported you on your endevors @OP, but then you started displaying this kind of entitlement and victim playing.

It should be obvious, but you never asked anyone here to use a specific pronoun to address you. Stating your MtF trans doesn't mean you prefer the standard opposite sex defined pronoun. They didn't think about it at all, that is why the used the standard male pronoun. They probably also assumed you were accustomed to the standard male pronoun and wouldn't mind it, since its the internet, and a game forum. In video games, people role play whatever.

There is a youtuber who you would call Cis Male, calling himself manly, and yet he pretends to be a girl when he plays a female character, with his 'manly' voice. Like-, people generally feel 'who cares'.
Their intent wasn't to bully or hurt you, so no need to immediately spike up.

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im intersex so what does that even mean

This doesn't help either.
Like, I am not sure which you want us to use at this point. Her, or They? or maybe a custom one?
All I know is that you dislike He, which is fine, but yeah...

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thats not how it works and just because i havent had srs doesnt mean im allowed to be misgendered

"doesn't mean I'm allowed to be misgendered" = entitlement. And considering the lack of understanding, a lack of empathy. The reason is because you feel victimized, but the consequence is aggression towards the perceived purpetrator, and you seeking power and influence through victimhood.

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myself and im more important than some random person on the internet

You're starting to score pretty well on the narcissism scale.

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u dont have sex with women anyways tho

I pretty much expected this at this point, but of course. Looking down on someone.
I honestly expected it to happen more often though.


I don't have anything against transgender people. I just have something against this kind of behavior, entitlement, demeaning others, victim playing, the incapability to reflect and take responsibility for one's own mistakes, and of course (what usually follows), blame shifting / gaslighting, etc.
There are many trans activisists as they call themselves on twitter, who play victim and pretty much ruin the image of every trans person with narcissistic tendecies. (Narcissism, as in the behavior, not the disorder.)

Empathy, understanding one another and the situation is of key importance. If you want people to respect you, including those who do things that you don't like, the last thing you should do is lash out against them and play victim. Don't discard empathy when dealing with people.

Discarding empathy is something narcissists do. (Its one of the two key traits that define narcissism. Grandiosity (making sure they are somehow better than other people) is often a consequence of the entitlement factor. )

[Pierce Dalton]

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How does one find the age of an account?

And the profile doesn't list an age. Where was this found?

Uh... the badge?

[ankh]

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why are u misgendering me

Would have supported you on your endevors @OP, but then you started displaying this kind of entitlement and victim playing.

It should be obvious, but you never asked anyone here to use a specific pronoun to address you. Stating your MtF trans doesn't mean you prefer the standard opposite sex defined pronoun. They didn't think about it at all, that is why the used the standard male pronoun. They probably also assumed you were accustomed to the standard male pronoun and wouldn't mind it, since its the internet, and a game forum. In video games, people role play whatever.

There us a youtuber who you would call Cis Male, calling himself manly, and yet he pretends to be a girl when he plays a female character, with his 'manly' voice. Like-, people generally feel 'who cares'.
Their intent wasn't to bully or hurt you, so no need to immediately spike up.

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im intersex so what does that even mean

This doesn't help either.
Like, I am not sure which you want us to use at this point. Her, or They? or maybe a custom one?
All I know is that you dislike He, which is fine, but yeah...

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thats not how it works and just because i havent had srs doesnt mean im allowed to be misgendered

"doesn't mean I'm allowed to be misgenered" = entitlement. And considering the lack of understanding, a lack of empathy. The reason is because you feel victimized, but the consequence is aggression towards the perceived purpetrator, and you seeking power and influence through victimhood.

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myself and im more important than some random person on the internet

You're starting to score pretty well on the narcissism scale.

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u dont have sex with women anyways tho

I pretty much expected this at this point, but of course. Looking down on someone.
I honestly expected it to happen more often though.


I don't have anything against transgender people. I just have something against this kind of behavior, entitlement, demeaning others, victim playing, the incapability to reflect and take responsibility for one's own mistakes, and of course (what usually follows), blame shifting / gaslighting, etc.
There are many trans activisists as they call themselves on twitter, who play victim and pretty much ruin the image of every trans person with narcissistic tendecies. (Narcissism, as in the behavior, not the disorder.)

Empathy, understanding one another and the situation is of key importance. If you want people to respect you, including those who do things that you don't like, the last thing you should do is lash out against them and play victim. Don't discard empathy when dealing with people.

Discarding empathy is something narcissists do. (Its one of the two key traits that define narcissism. Grandiosity (making sure they are somehow better than other people) is often a consequence of the entitlement factor. )

if youre going to try to trump me learn basic english, MtF means male to female, you can spend all the time writing that out but you cant think for a minute lol. Also i was born with intersex conditions which is why i said that im intersex. Youre really bad at gaslighting, if u want to gaslight someone make sure that they actually read all of that because i really dont care enough to hear some person try to explain basic words

[Vince ✟]

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How does one find the age of an account?

And the profile doesn't list an age. Where was this found?

You can look up users to see this information.

Heres one way.
https://www.steamidfinder.com/lookup/https%3A%2F%2Fsteamcommunity.com%2Fprofiles%2F76561198050862129/

[ankh]

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You can look up users to see this information.

Heres one way.
https://www.steamidfinder.com/lookup/https%3A%2F%2Fsteamcommunity.com%2Fprofiles%2F76561198050862129/

Thanks! That helps.

However, there still are possibilities that the information isn't entirely accurate or issues such as someone taking over an old account- but still... It's interesting.

i made this account when i was a month old dw

[Elucidator]

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but you cant think for a minute lol.

Looking down on someone again

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Youre really bad at gaslighting, if u want to gaslight someone make sure that they actually read all of that because i really dont care enough to hear some person try to explain basic words

Announcing lack of care, despite caring enough to reply.
Also its not gaslighting. All of the quotes contain clickable links that take you to the post directly. Gaslighting is trying to make someone think something else is going on to the point they think they stop trusting themselves.
Also projection is pretty common with narcissism, just saying. Like I said, so is blame shifting. All I did was pull up a mirror, say "look at what you're doing", claim that it is wrong and you should examine your own behavior for a moment if you want people to respect you.
What happened instead, is you feeling attacked and thus the need to defend.

[Vince ✟]

Buy it for $2.79 or make it, whats the difference when one only uses it for trolling forums as an alt.

[Dracoco OwO]

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You mean that ciswomen are women, and transwomen are not?

Transgender women are as much women as cisgender women. You can’t control your biological gender so how can everyone be expected to align with the gender stereotypes of how they were born?

For someone who is so transphobic you spend a lot of time on forums about trans people…..

Well you don't need to align with gender stereotypes either, i for myself have a mix of both and that doesn't make me a woman at all.

[Elucidator]

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At this point even the real MtF are starting to doubt your stories

There is a large difference between a male to female transgender.
and a narcissist who became a male to female transgender.

Both ID as female (likely at least), but the narcissist does so for attention, admiration, validation, power through victimhood, being special, more important, etc.
The narcissist will, as they always do, at some point (usually rather quickly) feel that being Male to Female Transgender is not enough. So they will after ward claim that they are "better than a woman", or similar things. For example: They might claim that they are the true woman or whatever.
(This is because its not really about being female (or themselves by extend), its about narcissistic supply or... more simply: the idea that they are protagonists or gods or important, more than everybody else at least, and deserve special treatment.)
And of course they resort to Ratioing on twitter, they resort to insulting people, looking down on them from their high up chair, etc. Its because the easiest way to feel more than others is by making others appear as something less or much more simple, obviously. Socially shaming, embarrassing or humiliating them, etc. is something that they they will resort to.

A normal male to female transgender just wants to be themselves and feel inner peace, and hope they get accepted. The narcissist however will demand acceptence (under their terms) and if they don't get it, use cancel culture strategies for example to get rid of those people who don't follow their wishes and whome they cannot as easily control. It doesn't matter if that is family or friends or if they have supported them for years. People are disposable and easily replaced to a narcissist.

So their reasoning for transitioning will be different, .. and the narcissist will obviously lie about their reasoning to others and too themselves to the point even they feel convinced at that time to achieve what they want. They're very good at mind games.

Gender is for a part about identifying as... x, in the social world.
So, if they decide to transition, then their 'gender' could change, even if they aren't trans in their core, basically. (a cis male can also transition and try out living like a woman / claim female pronouns, etc. .)

Transitioning is intended to give people more inner peace though, but yeah it gets abused currently. I suspect that happens due to all the social attention.

[Xero_Daxter]

I’m not a doctor so I can’t give you an estimate.

In my honest opinion I don’t really like the idea. Sure, you’re an adult now and can make your own choices but there was a story of someone trying to sue a doctor cuz he couldn’t go back because… well… there was too much damage to his “male organs”. Sadly he couldn’t because he signed a waiver.

[krag hag]

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In my honest opinion I don’t really like the idea. Sure, you’re an adult now and can make your own choices but there was a story of someone trying to sue a doctor cuz he couldn’t go back because… well… there was too much damage to his “male organs”. Sadly he couldn’t because he signed a waiver.

Your schlong isn't gonna change much if you make sure to get erections regularly, your balls are gonna shrink though

[Elucidator]

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As representatives of the LGBT community

I don't think you should see those attention seekers as the representative. They were never democratically chosen for one and just claimed the position. Secondly, like I mentioned, The N-factor is more solid than the trans-factor. Even admitst the LGBT community they're generally disliked.
Especially by the gay and lesbian community. The narcs often get compared to criminals who decide to transition in prison to get dopamine from doing NSFW stuff in the other sex prison.

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Their child grooming tactics are not helping the LGBT community gain social acceptance by society.

Its just like with any child groomer, its about power. Its about being in control. Its about a narcissist being a narcissist. Unfortunately, it can even be the malevolent type of narcissism at that stage. (almost Anti Social Personality Disorder level basically.), but usually, so long it remains online, its about growing a fandom that appreciates them and rewards them later with donations I suppose.


Anyway I updated my comment that you quoted before to be a bit more clear. Also, I didn't intent to derail the thread. I just wanted to show OP's behavior to .. apparently someself.

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if youre going to try to trump me learn basic english, MtF means male to female, you can spend all the time writing that out but you cant think for a minute lol.

Like, even though OP is blameshifting here, she/they/something still doesn't clarify what pronouns they would prefer.
Its a trap to just assume from this they want it to be 'she'; then they could just as easily say again 'Why are you misgendering me?' for the same reason.

Like, this makes me facepalm but whatever.

OP is interested in his appearance becoming 'more beautiful', as in female. That was the topic of this subject before they started insulting around and such.

All I could do there is hint that they could get more help from people, if they were slightly more respectful, instead of feeling vastly more important, but yeah-

You know OP, if you went through a physician to get HTR, they could tell you exactly using charts. There are charts online with information showing averages and 'about' values, but... it depends. Its hard to say.

[emcarlsen (she/her)]

Congrats. I have been on HRT for nearly 9 months.The first noticeable physical change was smell. I stopped stinking like a boy, and it was a bigger relief than I thought it could be. That started within 2 weeks, and by 6 weeks in, I stopped having "male" BO altogether. Abut 6 weeks is also when my nipples became more sensitive, and within a couple weeks after that, I could feel breast buds starting to form.

Body hair thinning, facial softening and skin improvement have all taken longer, but there is at least some progress in all these areas at this point.

Edit: Also, the hate you will receive on Steam in general and in this forum in particular is intense. Don't let the bigots grind you down.

[krag hag]

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Body hair thinning, facial softening and skin improvement have all taken longer, but there is at least some progress in all these areas at this point.

What about fat redistribution? Got any of that going on yet? That's the change I'm looking forward to most.