Pokemon Uranium: Did it get what it deserved?

[AntKneeWasHere]

If you haven't heard, there is a mirror game called Pokemon Uranium that has been taken down. (I wonder why, I mean, it's not like Nintendo is practically abusing Copyright Law *cough* MineCraft Wii U: Super Mario Texturepack *cough*), anyways, it was in development for 9 years, and was finally released. However it was taken down (or was it *wink wink nudge nudge*) rather recently, due to unwanted attention. While yes, the idea was a rip-off and some of the Pokemon were not original, it was crafted so well that it looked like an official game. It came with I believe 130+ custom Pokemon, which should've been enough, considering the first Pokemon game had somewhere around that number too. And it was just overall really impressive. I personally think that if the author had left it to the 130 original Pokemon, he might have at least gotten a warning. But I mean come on, the guy made an spent nine years making a clone because he loved those games, and you just smash his dreams into bits? You couldn't be a bit more kinder about it?

So what do you think: Did the guy get what he deserved, or should've the game lived on? Personally, they should've f***ing hired the guy to help make another game.

[Spawn of Totoro]

引用自 TheProdigy：

Copyright laws are a joke that shutdown talented developers for the sake of profit

They also protect people's IP from being stolen and claimed by someone else. If they didn't exist, the someone could write a book, then others could copy it and pass it off as their own, leaving the original author to rot.

A truly talented developer would make their own IP, while drawing inspiration from others, not imitating it.

A monster capturing game? That is fine. You can add a lot to it and make it your own.

A Pokemon game, using existing IP and cannon as well names, places and concepts? That is simply imitation.

If that same developer made a game and a AAA studio copied it, I doubt you would still be saying that.

[shoopy]

引用自 laff：

引用自 TheProdigy：

Copyright laws are a joke that shutdown talented developers for the sake of profit-stealing.

If they were so talented, why couldn't they have named it something else and not completely rip off an existing product?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGmqIkhjEPE

Chinese developers do this because they believe that good ideas should be shared by everyone so that anyone can make a better version of something, and it's easier for people to get what they want.

When one entity owns an idea you can only hope that entity does well. Ever seen good franchises get ruined? That's what copyright does. When the owner of the copyright is incompetent, nobody else is allowed to fix the problems.

[Danksama]

引用自 ardiel：

引用自 laff：

If they were so talented, why couldn't they have named it something else and not completely rip off an existing product?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGmqIkhjEPE

Chinese developers do this because they believe that good ideas should be shared by everyone so that anyone can make a better version of something, and it's easier for people to get what they want.

When one entity owns an idea you can only hope that entity does well. Ever seen good franchises get ruined? That's what copyright does. When the owner of the copyright is incompetent, nobody else is allowed to fix the problems.

Yeah, but Pokemon isn't in that sort of position

[Zubenelgenubi]

China is bad at capitalism. Or at least more blatant about things. They don't have the illusion of everything being fair that we have.

[shoopy]

引用自 Zubenelgenubi：

China is bad at capitalism. Or at least more blatant about things. They don't have the illusion of everything being fair that we have.

Their view of copyright is actually more fair if you think about it.

With their way, the company that serves the customer the best will be the one that succeeds. A company cannot rely on the mere fact that they own the product to get by and have people stick with them because of monopoly.

[Zubenelgenubi]

引用自 ardiel：

With their way, the company that serves the customer the best will be the one that succeeds. A company cannot rely on the mere fact that they own the product to get by and have people stick with them because of monopoly.

I said that thinking they had sacred cows like the Pokemon franchise they made exceptions for, but in this case they're probably using US copyright law to protect that. If the maker of Pokemon:Uranium wanted to exclusively release it in China under a slightly different name he probably could.

[novasunshine]

引用自 ardiel：

引用自 Zubenelgenubi：

China is bad at capitalism. Or at least more blatant about things. They don't have the illusion of everything being fair that we have.

Their view of copyright is actually more fair if you think about it.

With their way, the company that serves the customer the best will be the one that succeeds. A company cannot rely on the mere fact that they own the product to get by and have people stick with them because of monopoly.

Let's look at the beer economy for example.

[AntKneeWasHere]

As serious as a nuclear reactor having a meltdown....spoiler.

引用自 Zubenelgenubi：

Was the name Uranium completely serious or was it a joke?

[AntKneeWasHere]

That is actually very interesting that you brought up Mickey Mouse. You see, originally, copyright law was that a person could claim copyright for 56 years, so practically a life time. Then the creation goes to a magical place called 'The Public Domain', where individuals could pick it apart, study it, alter it, and build upon. However, when Mickey Mouse was about to cross to the public domain, Disney stepped in and altered the entire law, stretching the time by decades and making it really confusing. So not only would generations themselves not be able to mess with stuff that would've been in the public domain, but really great things, like scientific theories and articles, have pretty much lost their owners, so now there is nobody to credit to. And if you can't credit them, you can't use it. So those great ideas and creations are pretty much stuck in a copyright limbo, with no owners to take credit for them. And what's worse, Disney continues to take ideas that already existed and take credit for them as their own. Stuff like Alaadin and The Lion King. Those were based on Arabian Nights (I believe) and Shakespeare. And yet they pretty much claimed copyright on those, so now nobody can use them, which isn't fair at all. Even the original Mickey Mouse, Steamboat Willie (something or other), was based on an old show from the early 1900s!!

Well, there's your daily fill of knowledge!

引用自 laff：

Here, let me just rip off Mickey Mouse...

Who's this Disney guy and why am I getting cease and desist letters?

[Autistic Whales]

引用自 Gaminger33：

That is actually very interesting that you brought up Mickey Mouse. You see, originally, copyright law was that a person could claim copyright for 56 years, so practically a life time. Then the creation goes to a magical place called 'The Public Domain', where individuals could pick it apart, study it, alter it, and build upon. However, when Mickey Mouse was about to cross to the public domain, Disney stepped in and altered the entire law, stretching the time by decades and making it really confusing. So not only would generations themselves not be able to mess with stuff that would've been in the public domain, but really great things, like scientific theories and articles, have pretty much lost their owners, so now there is nobody to credit to. And if you can't credit them, you can't use it. So those great ideas and creations are pretty much stuck in a copyright limbo, with no owners to take credit for them. And what's worse, Disney continues to take ideas that already existed and take credit for them as their own. Stuff like Alaadin and The Lion King. Those were based on Arabian Nights (I believe) and Shakespeare. And yet they pretty much claimed copyright on those, so now nobody can use them, which isn't fair at all. Even the original Mickey Mouse, Steamboat Willie (something or other), was based on an old show from the early 1900s!!

Well, there's your daily fill of knowledge!

引用自 laff：

Here, let me just rip off Mickey Mouse...

Who's this Disney guy and why am I getting cease and desist letters?

I see someone has watched a bit to much youtube

[Jej]

Just Nintendo being pricks, as usual.

[Jolly Devil]

Nintendo was in the right to take it down, as they have to protect their IPs. Most publishers would have done the same thing. Very few companies are like Valve, where they let fan projects not only be made but sell. I think Nintendo takes it a bit too far sometimes, like when it comes to Let's Plays, but they're very, very protective of their IPs, and so the people who made Uranium knew good and well that it was gonna be taken down.

But since the devs of the game weren't selling it, they still got it out there. 1.5 million people downloaded it before it was taken down, and you can find it on any torrent site now. Once something is on the internet, its there forever. So the devs will still get credit and praise, even if its not official.

[AntKneeWasHere]

引用自 TheTopKek：

引用自 Gaminger33：

That is actually very interesting that you brought up Mickey Mouse. You see, originally, copyright law was that a person could claim copyright for 56 years, so practically a life time. Then the creation goes to a magical place called 'The Public Domain', where individuals could pick it apart, study it, alter it, and build upon. However, when Mickey Mouse was about to cross to the public domain, Disney stepped in and altered the entire law, stretching the time by decades and making it really confusing. So not only would generations themselves not be able to mess with stuff that would've been in the public domain, but really great things, like scientific theories and articles, have pretty much lost their owners, so now there is nobody to credit to. And if you can't credit them, you can't use it. So those great ideas and creations are pretty much stuck in a copyright limbo, with no owners to take credit for them. And what's worse, Disney continues to take ideas that already existed and take credit for them as their own. Stuff like Alaadin and The Lion King. Those were based on Arabian Nights (I believe) and Shakespeare. And yet they pretty much claimed copyright on those, so now nobody can use them, which isn't fair at all. Even the original Mickey Mouse, Steamboat Willie (something or other), was based on an old show from the early 1900s!!

Well, there's your daily fill of knowledge!

I see someone has watched a bit to much youtube

You have no f***ing idea! Although, that was from a show called Adam Ruins Everything on TruTV, the episode was 'Adam Ruins Summer Fun'.

[AntKneeWasHere]

引用自 CaptSquirrel：

Nintendo was in the right to take it down, as they have to protect their IPs. Most publishers would have done the same thing. Very few companies are like Valve, where they let fan projects not only be made but sell. I think Nintendo takes it a bit too far sometimes, like when it comes to Let's Plays, but they're very, very protective of their IPs, and so the people who made Uranium knew good and well that it was gonna be taken down.

But since the devs of the game weren't selling it, they still got it out there. 1.5 million people downloaded it before it was taken down, and you can find it on any torrent site now. Once something is on the internet, its there forever. So the devs will still get credit and praise, even if its not official.

True, and you are right about Valve. Heck, I didn't even think of it, even though that's what I'm posting on right now! Take for example: Five Nights at Freddy's. Love it or hate it, it has made a huge, and I mean HUGE impact of pretty much every aspect of media. Four main games, with a spinoff, and another spinoff coming in the Fall, a book, an upcoming movie, toys, and, more importantly: Clone games. One clone that was pretty popular, 'CASE: ANIMATRONIC', is sold on Steam, and more than likely wouldn't even exist if Five Nights at Freddy's has. Some other neat clones are "Five Nights at Candy's", "Those Nights at Rachel's", and "Boogeyman".

[Spoomer]

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