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GOG already seemed to have started their summer sale..
Looks like GOG is directly competing against steam now...the war has begone..this is good though, this means possily decrease in prices on specific games..all the customers will win! GO US! When 2 similiar things compete like this, everyone wins..the customers win from lowered priced games, and now you got your choice of games between the two platforms.
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Other sites making sales nearby the Steam sales is a common occurrence, it's been happening for years. GOG, GMG, Humble or even Amazon schedule sales around these dates.

It's like wondering why stores make sales on Christmas.

Pheace の投稿を引用:
From the sound of it it was probably related to account selling.
One of the risks of offering DRM-Free games is that anyone can get to download the games within the account legitly, right from the lion's mouth.
最近の変更はTito Shivanが行いました; 2016年6月9日 13時47分
Start_Running の投稿を引用:
You know, aside from the games on your account the can access and lock you out of. Tough luck if you didn't dload them all..

The same could be said of Steam as well.

Thing is, even if I have downloaded a Steam game, I can still be locked out of it by something of no fault of my own, but if I have downloaded a GOG game, I can no longer be locked out of it by anything but my own negligence.

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As for virytual items. Well here's the thing, most of these thefts, are not criminal masterminds breaching security. They're idiots literally handing account credentials over to anyone who promises them a free $100 knife.
I'm sure that's the case with most instances of item theft, but the fact that I have (1) items, and (2) a Steam account (which can be used by a hijacker to phish other accounts), means that there is far more incentive for them to go after me, as they would any other Steam user, more than my GOG account.

Kinda like how you might consider buying a safe/lockbox if you come into (legal) possession of expensive jewelry. It's just one more thing to worry about.

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Mind you I have nothing against GoG, own quite a few games from them, , but honestly, it's key selling point for me was the classic games, not the DRM free thing. Steam's as un obtrusive as DRM gets and the idea that I can intall and uninstall with a click of a button and not have to play the cd swapping game when every I change games.. is a pretty big upgrade from previous drm.

I see that you're comparing it to "previous DRM", which is probably a very important difference between our perspectives.

I actually went for many years without buying a single game, playing freeware games and such for quite a while. As such, perhaps I've gotten used to having the freedom to access, organize, and back up my games any way I desire. I am thankful in having basically dodged some of the worst DRM practices (I've heard stories of Securom, always-online, StarForce, limited activations, etc.), but just because Steam is better than them doesn't mean that it's what I want, in terms of:
* access: As noted above, it's still possible for someone to kick me off of my login and thus my access to my games, even if they can't themselves use my account.
* organization: With a raw installer, I can just set the install directory and run the executable. Steam introduces an extra layer of interface, even if I go to the trouble of putting the installations in the places I want them to be. Steam actually just gets in the way between me and my games. It's reasonable for a mutliplayer online game, but I play very few multiplayer games. Now it's not a huge hassle, not huge enough for me to reject getting games on Steam altogether, but it's still something I will consider when making a purchase decision.

Start_Running の投稿を引用:
SUre gog is totally DRM free but in all honesty the difference between STeam and zero is not that much, it's like the difference between 1 and zero, sure it's still a heck of a difference but it's not enough to make me want to pay GoG's higher prices... yeah funny thing. FOr the most part , most games that GoG and steam share that I have an interest in, is usually upo to a $1 more expensive than steam. AT best it';s the same price and only rarely , lower.
I dunno what country you're in, but I'm in the US and I see prices on GOG and Steam being the same, basically. They also get discounted to roughly the same levels these days.

Also, I don't stick slavishly to GOG to get DRM-free games; I'm willing to get them from GamersGate and Humble Store and Playism and itch.io as well. Because, at the end of the day, once I've downloaded it, it's in my control, and that's the most important part.
最近の変更はQuint the Alligator Snapperが行いました; 2016年6月9日 13時54分
Tito Shivan の投稿を引用:
Other sites making sales nearby the Steam sales is a common occurrence, it's been happening for years. GOG, GMG, Humble or even Amazon schedule sales around these dates.

It's like wondering why stores make sales on Christmas.

Pheace の投稿を引用:
From the sound of it it was probably related to account selling.
One of the risks of offering DRM-Free games is that anyone can get to download the games within the account legitly, right from the lion's mouth.
Which ironically is why GoG has difficulties securing the latest games. like say Doom4. The games will get to GoG.. eventually but yeah. It's like waiting for a movie to hit cable.
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Tito Shivan の投稿を引用:
Other sites making sales nearby the Steam sales is a common occurrence, it's been happening for years. GOG, GMG, Humble or even Amazon schedule sales around these dates.

It's like wondering why stores make sales on Christmas.


One of the risks of offering DRM-Free games is that anyone can get to download the games within the account legitly, right from the lion's mouth.
Which ironically is why GoG has difficulties securing the latest games. like say Doom4. The games will get to GoG.. eventually but yeah. It's like waiting for a movie to hit cable.
Oh, that's another thing.

If you plan on buying new games as they come out, for near full price, this is very relevant.

On the other hand, if you normally wait until things get discounted some to -75% or to US$6 or less, and you're entirely fine with playing games several years "out of date", then the difference is far less relevant.

This is probably most relevant with games that depend on official servers and a vibrant multiplayer community, and least relevant for single-player games -- and incidentally, I play mostly single-player games.

A secondary thing this is affected by is to what extent one is a "social gamer", i.e. using one's gaming hobby as a thing for socializing. If your friends are all talking about the latest, hottest crazes, and you're really into being in with the crowd, then keeping current and buying games soon after release is much more relevant. On the other hand, I've already gotten used to being years out of date anyway, and in some ways I kinda enjoy not having a huge din of internet opinions swimming around my gaming experiences.
最近の変更はQuint the Alligator Snapperが行いました; 2016年6月9日 13時59分
Quint the Globular Springtail の投稿を引用:
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Which ironically is why GoG has difficulties securing the latest games. like say Doom4. The games will get to GoG.. eventually but yeah. It's like waiting for a movie to hit cable.
Oh, that's another thing.

If you plan on buying new games as they come out, for near full price, this is very relevant.

Except that we're talking like near a year here. Even Doom4 will see some level of discount by christmas on STeam, where as it might not hit GoG before next year.

On the other hand, if you normally wait until things get discounted some to -75% or to US$6 or less, and you're entirely fine with playing games several years "out of date", then the difference is far less relevant.

Except where the game still hasn't gotten to GoG... I mean Tron 2.0 hit steam last year, still no sign of it on GoG.

It is one of the reasons Gog has one of the smaller game libraries.
The Witcher 3 + expansion pass is on sale for $27.99, but it does not support cloud saves. Only the Steam version does. But it's still a killer deal.
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Quint the Globular Springtail の投稿を引用:
Oh, that's another thing.

If you plan on buying new games as they come out, for near full price, this is very relevant.

Except that we're talking like near a year here. Even Doom4 will see some level of discount by christmas on STeam, where as it might not hit GoG before next year.

On the other hand, if you normally wait until things get discounted some to -75% or to US$6 or less, and you're entirely fine with playing games several years "out of date", then the difference is far less relevant.

Except where the game still hasn't gotten to GoG... I mean Tron 2.0 hit steam last year, still no sign of it on GoG.

It is one of the reasons Gog has one of the smaller game libraries.
I've been waiting about 11 years to play Wild ARMs 4 without having a PS2. :p

On a more practical note GOG -- unlike Amazon, Green Man Gaming, GamersGate, Humble Store, Gala Store, or various other retailers and bundle sites -- never distributes Steam keys. They sell games exclusively to their own platform's access.

Steam is, of course, the dominant digital download platform, by far, and in a way that begets its own continued dominance as a number of publishers choose to distribute only on Steam when they have to choose only one store.

The DRM-free stance likely does factor into it though, because a publisher with a high-profile game that's currently a hot craze stands to lose a lot more potential sales to piracy than if they had an older game that's not as hotly demanded.

And indeed, I bought Terraria on Steam years before I bought it on GOG (which I rebought so I'd be able to just give a copy to a friend so that they could play the game with me).
最近の変更はQuint the Alligator Snapperが行いました; 2016年6月9日 14時17分
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Start_Running の投稿を引用:

Except that we're talking like near a year here. Even Doom4 will see some level of discount by christmas on STeam, where as it might not hit GoG before next year.



Except where the game still hasn't gotten to GoG... I mean Tron 2.0 hit steam last year, still no sign of it on GoG.

It is one of the reasons Gog has one of the smaller game libraries.
I've been waiting about 11 years to play Wild ARMs 4 without having a PS2. :p

On a more practical note GOG -- unlike Amazon, Green Man Gaming, GamersGate, Humble Store, Gala Store, or various other retailers and bundle sites -- never distributes Steam keys. They sell games exclusively to their own platform's access.

Steam is, of course, the dominant digital download platform, by far, and in a way that begets its own continued dominance as a number of publishers choose to distribute only on Steam when they have to choose only one store.

The DRM-free stance likely does factor into it though, because a publisher with a high-profile game that's currently a hot craze stands to lose a lot more potential sales to piracy than if they had an older game that's not as hotly demanded.

And indeed, I bought Terraria on Steam years before I bought it on GOG (which I rebought so I'd be able to just give a copy to a friend so that they could play the game with me).
Steam's dominance is due to the preference of it's clients. Remember, nothing stops a publisher from releasing to Steam and GoG if they want. Many do...where they believe GoG's drm-free policy will not pose a risk to ther bottom line.
Tito Shivan の投稿を引用:
One of the risks of offering DRM-Free games is that anyone can get to download the games within the account legitly, right from the lion's mouth.

Who's that a risk for?
Start_Running の投稿を引用:
Steam's dominance is due to the preference of it's clients.

Steam's dominance is due to being first and many people getting super invested in it early on.

Start_Running の投稿を引用:
Remember, nothing stops a publisher from releasing to Steam and GoG if they want. Many do...where they believe GoG's drm-free policy will not pose a risk to ther bottom line.

In other words publishers are still willing to inconvenience their customers even though they have no way of quantifying the piracy of their products. The irony is its know that some people pirate games they already own to get around the invasive DRM.
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Start_Running の投稿を引用:
Steam's dominance is due to the preference of it's clients.

Steam's dominance is due to being first and many people getting super invested in it early on.

You think so? but here's the thing. Might be hard for those with the 'console war' mentality to grasp but there is nothing stopping any service from competing with steam. There is nothing that stops a user from having GoG and Origin and Battle.net open at the same time. Nothing!

Therefore, the investment you have in steam has no bearing on whether one buys from the others. It's not like you lose anything.

In other words publishers are still willing to inconvenience their customers even though they have no way of quantifying the piracy of their products. The irony is its know that some people pirate games they already own to get around the invasive DRM.
They know it happens. and while they don't know the precise effect they know that the effect is not a good one. Put it another way, the publishers are simply taking steps to ensure only their paying customers get to enjoy their fine products.

ezwip 2016年6月9日 15時06分 
Unless GOG releases mmorpg, moba, 1st person shooter of its own I don't see it happening. If anything they just positioned themselves to entice people over to Steam by having Galaxy import some of the games. This gets people under the Steam way not the GOG way. The game is added on Steams terms and taken away on a whim. So if you want games in your GOG library, maybe Steam will add it later might as well shop the Steam store.
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Start_Running の投稿を引用:
Might be hard for those with the 'console war' mentality to grasp but there is nothing stopping any service from competing with steam. There is nothing that stops a user from having GoG and Origin and Battle.net open at the same time. Nothing!

Therefore, the investment you have in steam has no bearing on whether one buys from the others. It's not like you lose anything.

I don't know how you can deny that some level 30+ Steam user is going to be more likely to keep buying from Steam rather than another provider regardless of how easy it is to access that other provider. Its soo simple.. lol.

Start_Running の投稿を引用:
They know it happens. and while they don't know the precise effect they know that the effect is not a good one. Put it another way, the publishers are simply taking steps to ensure only their paying customers get to enjoy their fine products.

They have no way of quantifying how much piracy is happening with their products or if DRM makes any impact on it at all. DRM may have started as an anti piracy measure, but today its really more about keeping people connected, monitoring their activity, and advertising to or nickle & diming their customers. That's because its not a "fine product" anymore. Thanks to DRM its now a service instead and the seller treats it as such.
最近の変更はTsal Vlaxitovが行いました; 2016年6月9日 15時31分
Start_Running の投稿を引用:
Steam's dominance is due to the preference of it's clients. Remember, nothing stops a publisher from releasing to Steam and GoG if they want. Many do...where they believe GoG's drm-free policy will not pose a risk to ther bottom line.
But also because Steam is simply the biggest store on the block already.

If you had to choose one store to sell your game at, you'd choose Steam.

Start_Running の投稿を引用:
They know it happens. and while they don't know the precise effect they know that the effect is not a good one. Put it another way, the publishers are simply taking steps to ensure only their paying customers get to enjoy their fine products.
No, but it IS more of a hassle for a publisher to manage more store presences.

Also, for gamers who care about their social presences, having more games on a place where they get to establish a social presence for themselves playing/having those games matters to them.

Gyrate の投稿を引用:
Unless GOG releases mmorpg, moba, 1st person shooter of its own I don't see it happening. If anything they just positioned themselves to entice people over to Steam by having Galaxy import some of the games. This gets people under the Steam way not the GOG way. The game is added on Steams terms and taken away on a whim. So if you want games in your GOG library, maybe Steam will add it later might as well shop the Steam store.

Funny thing no one else other than myself has observed that the same could be said of sites like Humble offering Steam keys -- so I might as well only buy on Humble Store and elsewhere.
最近の変更はQuint the Alligator Snapperが行いました; 2016年6月9日 15時32分
LOL @ this topic getting moved twice.
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