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k3stea Oct 8, 2016 @ 2:12am
When AI does everything for us( jobs, services etc ) does that mean all humans have to do is sit back and enjoy life?
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That's assuming we still have a way of getting paid.
k3stea Oct 8, 2016 @ 2:30am 
Originally posted by Sir Illic the Knightmare Knight:
That's assuming we still have a way of getting paid.
I mean if no one ever had to do anything, since AI (assuming) they run everything by themselves, nothing is charged for any money since everything is automated, and every human is like the upper class in a society while the lower class( AI) does all the job.
shoopy Oct 8, 2016 @ 2:55am 
No. It means the people that own the machines get to sit back and enjoy life. Everyone else is screwed.
Jango'Cepp Oct 8, 2016 @ 3:03am 
Doing things like what? Unless they start doing engineering etc. I wouldn't worry too much.
Johnny-Boy Oct 8, 2016 @ 3:05am 
Originally posted by ardiel:
No. It means the people that own the machines get to sit back and enjoy life. Everyone else is screwed.
This.

It would be a bad idea to let AI's handle everything, though.
Evolution has formed our bodies and minds over the hard years we had a long time ago, and for some, still has.
if one day AI's and robots come and handle everything for us.... they buy groceries for us, they work for us, they drive our car for us, etc, we will become dumb, stupid and lazy.
The movie Wall-e is a powerful sign of what I am saying right now.
I think we should create robots and AI's to ease life up for those who has it bad, but that's it.
Bob Oct 8, 2016 @ 3:11am 
Simply skip "from each according to his ability" and voila.
Juke Bredd Oct 8, 2016 @ 3:30am 
Originally posted by Ketchup:
It would be a bad idea to let AI's handle everything, though.
Evolution has formed our bodies and minds over the hard years we had a long time ago, and for some, still has.
if one day AI's and robots come and handle everything for us.... they buy groceries for us, they work for us, they drive our car for us, etc, we will become dumb, stupid and lazy.
The movie Wall-e is a powerful sign of what I am saying right now.
I think we should create robots and AI's to ease life up for those who has it bad, but that's it.
I agree. And if I know us humans as well as I think do, this chould cuase chaos in the long run. But then again, that seems a long way off, so who knows.
Last edited by Juke Bredd; Oct 8, 2016 @ 3:32am
A.I. is overrated, because people underestimate the hard problem of consciousness, which I am deeply convinced we will not be able to solve.

We're still experiencing a boom of new applications (Watson for beating humans at Jeopardy and later to diagnose illnesses better than human doctors, self-driving cars, image processing, data mining etc.), and we can infuse quasi creative thinking in AIs because we can create the rules within which the AIs can create new expressions, but an AI's self-reflection (Key to intelligence besides abstraction.) can only go so far before it requires actual consciousness. Computers, no matter how sophisticated, run simulations of thought instead of actually thinking. Similarly, they can only work with the description of awareness instead of actually being aware.

Your question kind of implies that eternal life is impossible, because it assumes that reality is a finite possibility-space, e.g. "a mind eventually grows bored of the world" and all that. But if, as I am convinced, the world offers an infinite supply of novelty (One of the reasons that I'm convinced that the "world formula", if we ever find it, will not be all that useful.), then there will also forever be new areas in which to apply human abilities, consciousness, but also AI. Each time, we have to conquer this territory before we can set loose the machines to serve us in it.

Anyway: Assuming that the basic and even advanced needs of all humans will eventually be served by high tech machines - apart from the need to interact with actual consciousnesses, of course - we could indeed sit back and enjoy life, but many (or everybody, from time to time) will choose to further mankind's reign over reality. I'd imagine it like today's world, without the problems, without most of the necessity for today's work (except the work that conquers new territory, e.g. science), so it would indeed be a bit Star Trek ish, because the need to work for keeping the system going and oneself fed (because money) would mostly be gone.
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Zubenelgenubi Oct 8, 2016 @ 4:28am 
You might be confusing AI with robots in general. Robots that perform tasks and replace humans in jobs aren't AIs. They're just doing what they were programmed to.

But i think everyone having more free time and working less will probably cause another renaissance. The first renaissance was caused by the same factors.
Vincent Oct 8, 2016 @ 5:11am 
Even robots can work for us entirely, they still lack the intellectual of a human.
Johnny-Boy Oct 8, 2016 @ 6:34am 
Originally posted by Vincent (Grey Knight):
Even robots can work for us entirely, they still lack the intellectual of a human.
Right now, yeah, but who knows in 500 years, we'll have robobrains even more complex than our own which understands the universe more than us.


Originally posted by Zubenelgenubi:
You might be confusing AI with robots in general. Robots that perform tasks and replace humans in jobs aren't AIs. They're just doing what they were programmed to.
This is true. I'm being triggered like a tumblr warrior whenever I read AI this AI that on SIRI and Cortana and everything. They are RI, not AI. (Read intelligence - read from their limited, programmed informationbase)
C4Warr10r Oct 8, 2016 @ 8:46am 
It rather depends on what you mean by an AI. There are Ai's that do everything in games, as well as controlling everything in the environment to boot, and they are Re-TARDED. I'm not just talking about the games we play on Steam, either. Recently, the US Air Force announced that it had accquired or developed (I forget which) an AI called ALPHA which could shoot down any pilot in the simulator.

Well, one would think it SHOULD be able to, given its reaction times, and indeed, it shot down quite a few expert pilots. Then it was taken out by a fracking helo-jock who fired an AGM-65 Hellfire Anti-Tank missle at it, of all things, while the stupid bot just flew straight and level. It couldn't see a target.

It picked up the missile, sure enough, and deployed flares, which do NO good against a laser-guided weapon. Boom! ALPHA went down. Sine then it's been shot down over a dozen times by pilots just usings guns instead of missiles. Missiles, it can dodge, bullets no.

Certainly, it is still impresseive, and as sensory equipment gets better and allows real-world applications its progeny will be equally impressive, but still equally in need of people to guide it or fix it when something inevtiably goes wrong. If you want to see what that kind of AI future holds for the human workforce, just look at the one we have now. An automated factory can assemble cars with 500-800% more efficiency than humans, but you still need about about fifty really specialized dudes to watch the robots and maintian them. Then you need even more specialized people to design and build the robots and the products the robots make, and to watch the robots that make the robots and mine the materials and so on and so forth.

Eventually, you just get a high-tech economy that produces a LOT of stuff and requires very specialized labor, along with the higher wages demanded. Meanwhile, people just phase themselves out. No first-world country has a population that sustains even a replacement level of reproduction. They'll keep shrinking until there are no extra humans around, at which point they will stabilize.

More advanced AI, especially a truly Sapient Engine, is pure speculation at this point. Like the Owner of the Universe in this thread, I'm not even entirely certain it is possible to build such a thing. I'll spare you the reasons why unless somebody is interested, but suffice it to say that the engineering challenges, while significant, are the easy part.

A sapient machine could be as powerful as a god. Or it might do nothing at all. Let's just assume for the purposes of this thread that it does exactly what the OP envisions. It runs everything and humans don't have to worry about anything.

Humanity in its present form could be in trouble if that happened. We are creatures evolved and designed by our suffering, as well as our efforts to combat it. When we don't have to do anything we begin to fail. You can see it in bored first-world kids right now. They get depressed, they wonder if there's a purpose to life, they get lost in their own heads and ultimately it will have physical repurcussions.

It is possible that all of society would just start making new products, which we already do. When people have everything they start competing over which style of a thing is better. Fashion, art, all that music including jazz. Maybe we just become a society of artists and fashionistas.

Personally, I don't think those two are likely because machines are not the only things that evolve. Genetic engineering ended up winning the race to modify the human form, it's already taking place. With the capability to control our own evolution, we could redesign humans to where they don't need survival pressure. We could redesign them to be a myriad of things.

What, precisely we will end up doing, or how machines will factor into that is way too wide a range of possibilities for me to speculate on, though. You'd need a Sapient Engine for that.
Last edited by C4Warr10r; Oct 8, 2016 @ 8:46am
gargamell999 Oct 8, 2016 @ 1:29pm 
hi guys... do you realy think a completely full robot system will keep the average drunk jerk from goofing around and deliberately breaking stuff? what will happen if a jerk from tazmania go's to japan deliberately puts a large amount of motor oil on the road. looking to cause a robot trafic jam. how will the police system handle that?
k3stea Oct 8, 2016 @ 8:55pm 
Originally posted by gargamell999:
hi guys... do you realy think a completely full robot system will keep the average drunk jerk from goofing around and deliberately breaking stuff? what will happen if a jerk from tazmania go's to japan deliberately puts a large amount of motor oil on the road. looking to cause a robot trafic jam. how will the police system handle that?
The kind of AI in a physical robotic I'm talking about is one that's automated and at the same time can perform simliar or even better than humans in everyday jobs, so that might not be an issue for human-level intelligent AIs.
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