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🎀 2022 年 7 月 26 日 下午 2:38
Why is it so hard to have a normal or deep convo with guys?
I'm 23 years old female. Whenever I meet someone my age or below 25 years old, they either just flirt, talk none sense or sexualise everything.
I really long to have just a normal conversation. How's your day been, tell me about your work, even I don't know, talk about religion, politics, global warming.
Honestly not sure if it's just my luck but most of my good experiences with guys, its always if they are 26+, 28+.
I end up losing interest so fast... do young guys just don't care to have intellectual conversation and would rather talk none sense and flirt 24/7?
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🎀 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 6:06 
引用自 Xedhadeaus
"How's your day been, tell me about your work, even I don't know, talk about religion, politics, global warming."

I'm not a horndog or anything, but if that's your default conversation then I can't blame them for being creepy, those are some of the driest conversations, 10/10 boring.
Those are some example. I can't possibly state all possible conversations people can have.

My point was, can we not talk only about flirtation, looks, and such.
[N]ebsun 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 6:08 
It's natural. Those same 25 / under guys that you see now as immature would be seen differently by you if you were younger than them.
Naedmi 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 6:10 
Sometimes while I'm working I start staring off into the void and my employees call my name then ask if I was staring at some woman's butt. But to be honest I couldn't care less about butt, it's all about the longing that the void gives me, baby.
Uncle Sam 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 6:11 
引用自 Dream
lets talk about the demiurge then.
:lunar2019deadpanpig:
Pharaoh (Revolution Idol) 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 6:14 
Just a side note, I'm the kind of guy who can have deep conversations, but I can see them easily turning into arguments because of my beliefs on these topics. Let's use global warming as an example.

Average surface temperature of the Earth has only increased by one degree Celsius in the last hundred years. Al Gore said we would all be underwater by 2015. We need to focus on pollution, which is tangible, and stop scaring people with promises of climate catastrophe.

You don't even want to hear me start going off about religion and politics.

And like I said, I was in a childlike state of cheerful apathy until I turned 26, I gave no ♥♥♥♥♥ about anything. Then it was like one day my brain turned on.
DucGrandma 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 6:17 
引用自 Tess
< 30 don't know anything and haven't done anything

their brains are barely developed, gotta forgive them for succumbing to the throes of nature now and again
Oh great, another "This age = juvenile" statement. Next thing you know, you gonna be like my grandpa and classify everyone under 60 as kids, even though many of them are far more smooth-talking and mature than him (my grandpa always complain about something and when he does, he points to everyone else including his grandsons instead of himself)
Tapasvi 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 6:17 
If you're looking interesting people, go to where they are. Don't search among the masses, go to the more specific places. If internet is your thing, then there are also various communities.

I've searched for someone interesting for like 5 years. But it always ended up nowhere eigher from my side or theirs. Which doesn't matter actually, because the reason is the same in both cases. It was internet, some dating sites, random encounters irl.
But then I kinda gave up and started to socialize in groups I actually interested in. Half a year later I've got married. In these groups there were only a few women, compared to litereally hundreds in other places.
Looking back, sincerely saying thanks to God that He protected me from being involved in something more serious with all these people I've met before - my life could've been ruined, literally.
最后由 Tapasvi 编辑于; 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 6:17
🎀 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 6:21 
引用自 Holografix
OP hasn't responded since 2 pages ago.

Her question is pretty much about the existential condition of wanting to make a connection, but not finding what she's looking for.

It's a normal occurrence and complaint of looking for connection in modern life.
I sometimes find the connection but it breaks afterwards. I also feel like a lot fully misunderstood me. It's not only about conversations, even basic of things.
For example, somebody asks for something, I kindly decline several times but that person just keep asking. Or , somebody talks about something, I try to avoid it by talking about something totally different or reply so late everytime the topic is brought up (if im texting) but that person doesn't understand the hint or doesnt care. Or accepting difference opinions. This is what you think? Sure I respect that but this how I view it. These small things that I personally feel are so immature and annoy me always.
These are just few examples that a lot around me do and usually by younger people.
I just sometimes feel I struggle to talk to others whether online or RL. Since I like understanding people, those who dont keep persisting on things I already decline, those who respect different opinions and dont mind talking about them rather than (im right you are wrong), those who like to talk about so different topics from video games, tv show to space. Make jokes about not memes 24/7.
But I'm sadly around opposite type. No respect for when I say No. Keep asking same thing after a billion no. Their convo is always you are cute, when can we meet (if online), flirting, only video games convos if they stoo flirting. No understanding that people have different opinions although we are from same country and go to same university. I can rant about this forever 😅and still find it hard to explain how I truly feel about it.
And its not easy to befriend older guys. So 'just talk to older guys' isnt an easy solution. But its the only solution I see currently.
最后由 🎀 编辑于; 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 6:24
🎀 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 6:28 
引用自 JuanChrónique
Just a side note, I'm the kind of guy who can have deep conversations, but I can see them easily turning into arguments because of my beliefs on these topics. Let's use global warming as an example.

Average surface temperature of the Earth has only increased by one degree Celsius in the last hundred years. Al Gore said we would all be underwater by 2015. We need to focus on pollution, which is tangible, and stop scaring people with promises of climate catastrophe.

You don't even want to hear me start going off about religion and politics.

And like I said, I was in a childlike state of cheerful apathy until I turned 26, I gave no ♥♥♥♥♥ about anything. Then it was like one day my brain turned on.
That's why it's important to be understanding. It's not about arguing your opinion but about sharing it and be open to hear other person's opinion.
It's okay if we all disagree. I'm just interested to know your opinion about it and to share mine. It's not about who's correct. I don't mind people correcting me or try to change how I see things. Its part of the fun of talking about different things.
🎀 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 6:29 
引用自 Huh?
引用自 Æffy❥
I sometimes find the connection but it breaks afterwards. I also feel like a lot fully misunderstood me. It's not only about conversations, even basic of things.
For example, somebody asks for something, I kindly decline several times but that person just keep asking. Or , somebody talks about something, I try to avoid it by talking about something totally different or reply so late everytime the topic is brought up (if im texting) but that person doesn't understand the hint or doesnt care. Or accepting difference opinions. This is what you think? Sure I respect that but this how I view it. These small things that I personally feel are so immature and annoy me always.
These are just few examples that a lot around me do and usually by younger people.
I just sometimes feel I struggle to talk to others whether online or RL. Since I like understanding people, those who dont keep persisting on things I already decline, those who respect different opinions and dont mind talking about them rather than (im right you are wrong), those who like to talk about so different topics from video games, tv show to space. Make jokes about not memes 24/7.
But I'm sadly around opposite type. No respect for when I say No. Keep asking same thing after a billion no. Their convo is always you are cute, when can we meet (if online), flirting, only video games convos if they stoo flirting. No understanding that people have different opinions although we are from same country and go to same university. I can rant about this forever 😅and still find it hard to explain how I truly feel about it.
And its not easy to befriend older guys. So 'just talk to older guys' isnt an easy solution. But its the only solution I see currently.
Just a heads up, you need to break your paragraphs, articulate better and more concisely. I don't think I'm alone that doesn't like to read a long wall of text that hasn't been formatted to reader's interests.
True lol I'm on the phone so harder to focus on that. Since it all shows as a long text either way. Also English isnt my main language so thing can get messy 😅
最后由 🎀 编辑于; 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 6:31
crunchyfrog 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 11:28 
引用自 Mattmoo
Let them come to you.

Personally, I have had a lack of “deep conversations” from many quarters, one thing that is unlikely to work is just expecting people to come to you with “depth”. You find the depth, that’s what makes it exciting in the first place.

Change one thing, and everything else changes along with it, at least in theory.
While that is an alternative, I wouldn't solely rely on it, as that can be just as bad.

The thing to do is change your environment and so on.

If you're hanging around in places where ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tend to hang around, then you're going to get the same sort of crap.

Many years ago, in the 1980s and 1990s, when I used to DJ (especially when doing club stuff), I would get girl friends who would bemoan to me why they can't find decent guys yet they come to all my do's.

I said that's your problem. People are coming to clubs pissed up, and after scoring. What do you expect? I simply sai that if she wants to find longer term relationships more serious, then she could do a couple of things different.

She shoudl go elsewhere where people AREN'T pissed up so much, or if she is getting interested in someone at a club, give them a barrier to show they're serious - give them your phone number and if they truly are interested, once they've sobered up see if they remember the number and ring you. Then arrange your meeting on YOUR terms.

it ain't rocket science
crunchyfrog 2022 年 7 月 27 日 上午 11:42 
引用自 Mattmoo
引用自 crunchyfrog
While that is an alternative, I wouldn't solely rely on it, as that can be just as bad.

The thing to do is change your environment and so on.

If you're hanging around in places where ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tend to hang around, then you're going to get the same sort of crap.

Many years ago, in the 1980s and 1990s, when I used to DJ (especially when doing club stuff), I would get girl friends who would bemoan to me why they can't find decent guys yet they come to all my do's.

I said that's your problem. People are coming to clubs pissed up, and after scoring. What do you expect? I simply sai that if she wants to find longer term relationships more serious, then she could do a couple of things different.

She shoudl go elsewhere where people AREN'T pissed up so much, or if she is getting interested in someone at a club, give them a barrier to show they're serious - give them your phone number and if they truly are interested, once they've sobered up see if they remember the number and ring you. Then arrange your meeting on YOUR terms.

it ain't rocket science
Okay, that's reasonable. I understand what you're saying. I don't know where exactly she's going, but I imagine some of that is the case.

My premise for my logic here is a very simple fact, most people look for others to sort of fill a hole in their life. Additionally, finding meaning and value, and enriching one's own life experience, finding things one is interested in their own right, creates more value that can be shared for others.

It's more of a point of departure thing, I don't need much company. As long as I have one or two friends, and the right environment, I can manage and be happy,

I don't need a whole bunch of people in my life to fill a void, because most of the time as one of the posters above said, it can be disappointing.

Not always though, I've met some good people out there, I'm just saying filling up your own cup first is, actually highly underrated and has to lead me to better social interactions.

I love socializing, just when I'm able to. I want others to succeed just as much as myself.

Hanging out with some of my friends in my early 20s, I just found they stayed the same even while I worked at things, or they struggled greatly in one area or another. Could be me too, I'm just saying at least I developed myself and found things I was interested in too, which is great.
Ah now I can dig that one!

Been there myself several times. From either end.

I commonly love getting to meet new people (it's one of the major reasons I do violuntary work anyway). And yeah, sometimes you can attract the "wrong" sort of attention, however well meaning they might be.

I guess all you can do is try to make any situation come round to YOUR terms. Whether it means walking away, or meaning you can get someone in a more populated environment so you have an "out", if you get what I mean.

Yeah som people do indeed do it for no other reasons than to fill a hole. My missus has a friend who is an occasional friend. She regularly feels she must have SOMEONE as a partner in her life, though she never seems satisfied with anyone, which probably speaks volumes.

So yeah, basically remember YOU control things and you do things on your terms regardless of what you want out of it.

Best of luck.
sotaponi 2022 年 7 月 28 日 上午 2:01 
You're living in a childish "liberal" society. Whose childishness is primarily promoted by female interest groups. Not sure what to say...
videogames10 2022 年 7 月 28 日 上午 8:39 
引用自 Æffy❥
Why is it so hard to have a normal or deep convo with guys?

Think carefully about what you want to say before you say it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8aj1AlYvxI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeBt_fNcscs
Professor Goat 2022 年 7 月 28 日 上午 9:09 
gen z is called zoomers for a reason. social behaviors share vast similarities with boomers.
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