Bomb Shot 2022 年 8 月 10 日 下午 12:17
Do people use reason and think logically anymore?
What the cause of any problem.
When someone used "emotion over reason."
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peppermint hollows 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 2:38 
引用自 ////
the only difference between far right and far left is, as vladimir putin put it to that green girl from donetsk (at 13:41), "with what criteria one evaluates events".

This is certainly a take...
Netaris 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 2:42 
Actually, you can be totally irrelevant and perfectly logical you know ? Some serial-killers are very logical persons, but they're wrong on so many aspects. The problem isn't logic vs emotion, the real problem is the ability to face reality. When emotions are in phase with reality, it's not a weakness at all, quite the contrary. But peoples let propaganda and ideologies mess with their worldview and behaviors so much that they became unable to face reality. Because they value things that are totally opposed to it and don't want to leave these things behind and move forward.

For example, peoples are deeply restrained by concepts such as equality, that's designed to make entire populations of mediocre peoples. How it work ? Well, what the point about training, learning and working hard if the lazy, ignorant ones are treated exactly the same as you ? Where is your reward for your hard work ? Without rewards most stop and stay mediocre instead of develloping themselves.

Leave that kind of bullshitery behind, move forward and be one with reality instead of rejecting it constantly and complaining about the logical result of that behavior later. :)

Because on the long run, reality always win over dumb ideologies.
最後修改者:Netaris; 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 2:44
Professor 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 2:46 
I know that STEAM/VALVE doesn't like inflammable subjects like politics or religion. But when are people ever going to realise that political ideology is a mixture of left & right, they are part of the same entity. One can not exist without the other & if it ever does then surely the question of FASCISM arises. Democracy is a balance of 2 or more views & to eliminate all opposition clearly leads to totalitarianism.

I don't see how logic or reason has anything to do with political ideology
最後修改者:Professor; 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 2:59
Netaris 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 3:00 
引用自 Professor
I know STEAM doesn't like inflammable subjects like politics or religion. But when are people ever going to realise that political ideology is a mixture of left & right, they are part of the same entity. One can not exist without the other & if it ever does then surely the question of FASCISM arises. Democracy is a balance of 2 or more views & to eliminate all opposition clearly leads to totalitarianism.

I don't see how logic or reason has anything to do with political ideology

Right and these peoples are so much into their "you're with me or against me" flawed logic that they grow unable to understand that you can think bad things about "leftists" and "rightists" both at the same time. The two are detrimental to our societies from my point of view, leftists are just the ones attacked because they're the most powerfull right now and the most destructive too. But both are ♥♥♥♥ in reality, seem kinda obvious when you're not a part in their little political wars.
Professor 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 3:07 
引用自 Ad Victoriam !
For example, peoples are deeply restrained by concepts such as equality, that's designed to make entire populations of mediocre peoples. How it work ? Well, what the point about training, learning and working hard if the lazy, ignorant ones are treated exactly the same as you ? Where is your reward for your hard work ? Without rewards most stop and stay mediocre instead of develloping themselves.

Leave that kind of bullshitery behind, move forward and be one with reality instead of rejecting it constantly and complaining about the logical result of that behavior later. :) Because on the long run, reality always win over dumb ideologies.

A very good point that EQUALITY is the same question as FREEWILL. The result is always the same, our different understanding, our variety of knowledge & a question of our own views. How we come to understand these things is extremely diverse & makes for a wonderful discussion of multi coloured points of view.
【ボス B o s s】 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 3:08 
Um, excuse me sorry to interrupt this incredibly important discussion but...
Does anyone here know where the bathroom is? I really gotta go. :awkward:
Professor 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 3:12 
引用自 Ad Victoriam !
Right and these peoples are so much into their "you're with me or against me" flawed logic that they grow unable to understand that you can think bad things about "leftists" and "rightists" both at the same time. The two are detrimental to our societies from my point of view, leftists are just the ones attacked because they're the most powerfull right now and the most destructive too.But both are ♥♥♥♥ in reality, seem kinda obvious when you're not a part in their little political wars.

Ad Victoriam ! i am totally with you, hale to the wasteland :) :steamthumbsup:
最後修改者:Professor; 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 3:16
Netaris 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 3:32 
I'll just add another little bomb and leave :

People's who believe positive changes gonna come from a revolution are idiots. Revolutions are always funded and provocked by adversaries of your country, they doesn't want to save your asses, they want to conquer. And if you stay revendicative after they've taken the power, they'll kill you without hesitation. It happen regulary in History, revolutions are awfull for everybody, expect the foreign leaders who've successfully manipulated idiots for their own interests.

You want to know the real solution ? Family. The very concept of the "self-made-man" was created to mess up with people's logic. In reality, you're way more often powerfull because of your family instead of only yourself. And the real way to force a tyran to calm down is to build strong families or even clans able to defend their interests themselves. On the contrary, individualism and divisions were the best psychological weapons to make peoples weak to an unprecedented level.

Invest in your family instead of the state and you'll became able to defend your interests efficiently one day maybe.

That's it for today.
最後修改者:Netaris; 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 3:33
//// 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 3:35 
引用自 Professor
The problem with logic is that it is based upon our interpretation of fact & for many, fact is not as clear cut as objective science leads us to believe. As for reason it is intrinsically tied to logic as a scientific tool to help us understand both logic & reason.

What is not universally accepted is common sense & the way logic or reason is applied both subjectively & objectively. In my eyes factual knowledge is a tangible truth & is something that is always changing, evolving & growing to mean different things.

yes. "logic" is both things, present tense verb and continuous tense verb simultaneously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus
Professor 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 4:22 
引用自 ////
yes. "logic" is both things, present tense verb and continuous tense verb simultaneously

Hi //// & thank you for your very thoughtful response, as you & I both know, we don't often see eye to eye. But that doesn't matter as I can see that your are indeed open to questions of extreme difference.

Yes it is both & I do agree with you, that both are simultaneous as in logical being something that appears but also disappears simultaneously. I haven't yet looked at the links you provided but I will do so in the coming hours :)
最後修改者:Professor; 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 4:36
Professor 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 4:28 
引用自 Ad Victoriam !
I'll just add another little bomb and leave, that's it for today.

Good night my friend & as usual I look forward to your view points tomorrow :)
最後修改者:Professor; 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 4:29
Zero, Dark Knight 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 6:35 
Annikin Skywalker said it best. "If you're not with me, then you're against me." and yet ultimately- even his messed up, warped mind, couldn't bring himself to truly turn against family. He always kind of knew what he was doing was wrong, but until his actual legacy was before him, being harmed, his actions had lead him to capture Luke, he'd brought him, defenceless, and it was just -evil- being done...

Evil had never been shown before, all prior actions were, manipulations. Warped ideologies and twisted truths.


The moral of the story: Evil people only create evil, and use trickery to hide it, because no one supports them when they do evil directly.

You won't ever find evil.

Instead, look for manipulation.
and remember.

From my perspective, the "Jedi" are indeed evil.
crunchyfrog 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 8:46 
引用自 ////
引用自 crunchyfrog
Thing is, logic goes hand in hand with empirical evidence.

Whoever dfemontrates the better evidence either has the upper hand or "wins". That's how a good epistemology works.

Sadly, some people think they can ♥♥♥♥ on logic and empirical evidence and make all sorts of stupid excuses and it's all because they cannot handle their feelings have zero evidence for.

thing is, if you need empirical evidence to be convinced that peoples require attention as well as sense of safety and stability, you need to provide empirical evidence demonstrating that it is safe for you to stay among them.


TIL: Canada's Liberal Party are far right fascists.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SpEV1YUmMI8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9giPusrm1DA

... Well, more specifically I learned they are far right. Living under them since 2016 has been more than enough time for me to realize they were fascist before hand.

what do you expect? those neo "no weer not" liberals are like gamers, just good at being stuck in between having fun or whining/complaining. when it comes to naming at least 1 aspect of what makes a game what it is, it's always the same - "you'd never ask me this if i wasn't femboi".
Nope that's a dodge and you know it.

t's an aanlgoue scale. EVERYTHING that exists can be demonstrated empircally to some degree. If someone makes a claim, then it is up to them to show sufficient evidence for that claim.

Until then I make NO decision.

It's really simple to grasp and you don't get to dodge like the conviluted cop out you've just made. It doesn't work like that.
crunchyfrog 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 8:49 
引用自 ////
引用自 crunchyfrog
Thing is, logic goes hand in hand with empirical evidence.

Whoever dfemontrates the better evidence either has the upper hand or "wins". That's how a good epistemology works.

Sadly, some people think they can ♥♥♥♥ on logic and empirical evidence and make all sorts of stupid excuses and it's all because they cannot handle their feelings have zero evidence for.

thing is, if you need empirical evidence to be convinced that peoples require attention as well as sense of safety and stability, you need to provide empirical evidence demonstrating that it is safe for you to stay among them.


TIL: Canada's Liberal Party are far right fascists.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SpEV1YUmMI8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9giPusrm1DA

... Well, more specifically I learned they are far right. Living under them since 2016 has been more than enough time for me to realize they were fascist before hand.

what do you expect? those neo "no weer not" liberals are like gamers, just good at being stuck in between having fun or whining/complaining. when it comes to naming at least 1 aspect of what makes a game what it is, it's always the same - "you'd never ask me this if i wasn't femboi".
Nope that's a dodge and you know it.

t's an aanlgoue scale. EVERYTHING that exists can be demonstrated empircally to some degree. If someone makes a claim, then it is up to them to show sufficient evidence for that claim.

Until then I make NO decision.

It's really simple to grasp and you don't get to dodge like the conviluted cop out you've just made. It doesn't work like that.

And I'm not lberal. I'm on the left generally. A rather big distinction only peolpep in America who don't understand how politics ACTUALLY works wouldn't understand.
MinionJoe 2022 年 8 月 19 日 上午 8:56 
引用自 crunchyfrog
And I'm not lberal. I'm on the left generally. A rather big distinction only peolpep in America who don't understand how politics ACTUALLY works wouldn't understand.
Unfortunately, there's not really a political party anymore for those of us stuck in the middle. The only options left are the side that wants the government to regulate every aspect of our lives and the other side that wants the government to regulate every aspect of our lives but in the other direction.
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